Come on people, let's get this into production!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will be a great a valuable resource!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe raise our bids?
There's a few community pricing resources that I thought would be a no-brainer and reach 100% in no time. This one was one of them. I bid $90 almost 2 years ago (Aug 2014) and that price is no longer even available, so I can't raise my bid.
A little while back quite a few of us raised our bids between $50 - $70. Maybe we should raise them higher......because it is going to take a lot to get this into production.
I have not bid on this, the question i have is with all the other english Bible that many of us have WHY should we want this.
Tell me about the reason i should bid of this? Others may be of the same mind set as me on this.
Which of the included resources are important and why?
Instead of just trying to raise your bid which is harder, try to sell the resource to other users, this would be faster.
I see what you mean Ronald Quick
LOGOS has changed the community pricing.
I bidded $50 one year ago, and now you can only bid up to $38 and that is it.
Tell me about the reason i should bid of this?
In my case, it's the historical importance of how the language has changed, and also to see how much of the Wycliffe/Tyndale influence is still in the modern texts. It's also interesting to see how my most familiar passages looked back then.
I have a feeling (nothing more than feeling) that this is going to be in L7 base packages, as a couple or three of them are already in packages. So if you have at least a dollar per volume interest, go ahead and bid. If it's in a base package later (or sooner) this year, you'll get it a few weeks after launch; if it isn't, it won't ever get above water.
23 Bie thou treuthe, and nyle thou sille wisdom, and doctryn, and vndurstonding.
If you have any commentaries that used one of these Bibles as its basic text OR if you have writings where one of these texts would have been the familiar text of the author OR
I have not bid on this, the question i have is with all the other english Bible that many of us have WHY should we want this. Tell me about the reason i should bid of this? Others may be of the same mind set as me on this. Which of the included resources are important and why? Instead of just trying to raise your bid which is harder, try to sell the resource to other users, this would be faster.
This bundle has been promoted on the forums many times. I've not bid on it and have very little interest in it.
For me, this illustrates a problem with many of the community pricing offerings: the bundles are too big with too much filler. If this were half or a quarter the size with just the more important Bibles like Geneva, Wycliffe, Tyndale, and a few others, I might pay $15 or $20 for it. But $30 for a bunch of versions I will likely never touch in my lifetime--well, for me, that makes it a pass. Others may enjoy collections like this, but I think more focused, limited bundles would be easier to get pushed into production.
Already in at $50...
I agree. If this were split into smaller bundles, or into individual volumes, most of these would have gone into production and been completed by now.
As it is, Faithlife is essentially saying, if we can't get enough bids to produce them all, we're not going to produce any of them.
It's really this simple: people want to buy books they'll use and read. I've never heard of the H. T. Anderson New Testament, and can't imagine I'd miss anything if I didn't purchase it.
#StopTheBundling
Maybe raise our bids? Already in at $50...
Me too.
I agree with focusing on LIMITED BUNDLES.
A lot of the Bundles are way too big, and are at such an exorbitant price that it is just ridiculous. That is why they never get into production in Community Pricing or Pre Pub.
That is why I do not purchase hardly any of them.
Focusing on LIMITED BUNDLES is the way to go!
I strongly second the suggestion that this be broken up. As it stands, the collection contains some translations of tremendous historical importance - and others that are, in my opinion, only of value as curiousities.
I upped my bid to $38 - as high as it would let me bid.
This is my most-desired community bid item. However, what I really want is for original KJV 1611 to be published in Logos. There was an item that looked like that up until the "great community item purge of 2016." From my perspective, not having an original 1611 is among the biggest gaps in the Logos library.
And, yes, I have read past discussions about this:
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/5359.aspx
https://blog.logos.com/2006/03/in_search_of_the_king_james_ve_1/
Anyway, let's get this collection over the line. Please.
Thanks,
Donnie
I bid on this, I think pretty high. Then I deleted it, since I got tired of looking at it disappointedly.
In answer to why?, a question probably suggestive, and maybe rhetorical:
- Frankly history is interesting, and maybe 'collectors' is the target market. For me, a couple I'd want, as maybe turning points, or meaningful (a person being stake-burned for their drive to spread access).
-The bigger reason, is that many of these have a motive ... the author wanted to correct a translation. And it's the motive that provides the value .... using Logos' text-compare, what words or phrases sparked disagreement? Knowing just that tidbit is worth the collection (versus digging thru a gazillion commentaries). It's not necessary to agree with the change ... only to be alerted to the possibility.
But my guess is that like beliefs, tradition is fine ... ergo a favorite translation, and then go walk the dog and avoid disappointment.
I've been in since 2012. I am, however, not hopeful that this will ever happen.
I have a bid in, but I would much prefer to bid on a subset of this collection with only the more well-known and academically significant translations.
I've been in since 2012.
I've been in since 2013
I've been in as well since 2013 for 3x projected price.
This one's a head scratcher for me. I thought it would quickly go into production. That was over 3 years ago.
I guess a few of us want it a lot and a lot of us don't want it at all.
For about $1 a Bible it seems more than reasonable. (I'm sure they are better than those Amish romances on Vyrso for the same price.)
I bid $50 in 2014. I'm praying this forward. I realize that it's not for everybody, but being able to see how something was translated does provide insight to their interpretation in a given era.
. (I'm sure they are better than those Amish romances on Vyrso for the same price.)
[:D]
I wonder why Moffat's NT is not included. I already own it since Moffat's NT Commentaries use that text, but it'd be nice to have it as an actual NT copy.
DAL
I wonder why Moffat's NT is not included.
Most likely because the final version is still under copyright if I read my sources correctly.
Agreed [Y]
I wonder why Moffat's NT is not included. Most likely because the final version is still under copyright if I read my sources correctly.
I'm sure Logos could do something about that, since e-sword has it. But oh well, no rush
I am mainly interested in the following Bibles:
I'd gladly give $50 to get these. I wish the bidding grid would allow bids that high.
I'm sure Logos could do something about that,
Correct. But items under copyright normally go into pre-pub not community pricing. Did I misunderstand your question?
I'm sure Logos could do something about that, Correct. But items under copyright normally go into pre-pub not community pricing. Did I misunderstand your question?
Yes you did, but I didn't explain myself. I was wondering why it wasn't available in general, not just CP. I wouldn't mind if it had to make it through prepub, but it may be one of those items that might never grace the Logos platform. At least I have the commentaries and the e-sword module (I think, the disk may have gotten lost when I moved a while ago).
I just received an update:
You are receiving this email because you bid on the English Bible Collection (27 vols.).
The following volumes are being removed from this collection:
Not having the Bishop's Bible or the Matthew Bible included in an English Bible collection is a bit odd. I got the email as well. I was hoping for an explanation.
As was I. This is highly disappointing. Getting that email was easily the lowlight of my day.
The following volumes are being removed from this collection: The Bishop’s Bible Matthew Bible The New Testament in Greek and English
I wonder if they are trying to reduce the time and effort to get it done so they can get it out sooner.
Correct. The cost of production for the Bishop's and Matthew Bibles was stalling progress on this project. We're going to offer them as standalone products so that we can ship this collection sooner.
That would make sense, but if so, the Bishop's Bible and the Matthew Bible wouldn't be ones that you'd expect them to cut - there are a number of much more obscure versions in the collection.
EDIT: I see that Ben replied, and I was mistaken - it sounds like those specific Bibles were in fact holding up the process for some reason.
It's probably something to do with the quality of the source materials, archaic wordings or typefaces, non-standard verse mappings, etc.
Very disappointing from a customer perspective. Now this will cost about three times what it was. Plus, not having the Bishop's Bible represents a major disruption in the timeline of development of the bible in English.
EDIT: I see that Ben replied, and I was mistaken - it sounds like those specific Bibles were in fact holding up the process for some reason. It's probably something to do with the quality of the source materials, archaic wordings or typefaces, non-standard verse mappings, etc.
“God is my sheephearde, therfore I can lacke nothyng: he wyll cause me to repose my selfe in pasture full of grasse, and he wyll leade me vnto calme waters. He wyll conuert my soule: he wyll bring me foorth into the pathes of righteousnesse for his name sake. Yea though I walke through the valley of the shadowe of death, I wyll feare no euyll: for thou art with me, thy rodde and thy staffe be the thynges that do comfort me. Thou wylt prepare a table before me in the presence of myne aduersaries: thou hast annoynted my head with oyle, and my cup shalbe brymme full. Truely felicitie and mercie shal folowe me all the dayes of my lyfe: and I wyll dwell in the house of God for a long tyme.”
(Psalms 23:1–6 The Bishop’s Bible)
So it is a odd for those of us use to modern english. I fortunately have this version in Accordance for curiosity sake. Now the Accordance version has no translation notes which may be a good reason to have it in Logos, but I am not aware of how extensive it's footnotes are.
-Dan
I wonder if they are trying to reduce the time and effort to get it done so they can get it out sooner. Correct. The cost of production for the Bishop's and Matthew Bibles was stalling progress on this project. We're going to offer them as standalone products so that we can ship this collection sooner.
Ben - was it the triacle that gummed up the works?
Thanks for the explanation Ben. It would have been nice it was explained in the email we received. I do hope this will launch this collection into production soon.
I am glad this can move forward. It is something I've wanted from the day it was first offered.
I'm also glad to learn that two of three being eliminated will still be available. They are too important to not have them.
Thanks for the explanation, Ben.
It still looks like we still have a ways to go on the bidding. Is that how others are seeing it?
It seems to be part of L7 base packages and so it greyed out for me.
Logos 7 Anglican Portfolio and Anglican Diamond libraries include many English Bibles in English Bible Collection (24 vols.)
Keep Smiling [:)]
The product page seems to have been updated.
However, I would have expected a boost in progress, since the production cost has been cut.
Ah well....
I was thinking the same thing. Theoretically it should make a difference especially since the ones removed were some of the more expensive ones to produce.
Bidding will close on 10/7/2016 at 12:00pm Pacific time for English Bible Collection (24 vols.).
Just amazed that Moffat's NT is not included. Sad that I have to use a third party software to quote from it. 😕
Right on. Now let's drive the price down by letting people know.
Bid here if you haven't: https://www.logos.com/product/16808/english-bible-collection
I have some of the Bibles that came with some of my L7 upgrades, so I'm sure I'll be getting dynamic pricing after the final bidding price gets established 👍
