Are we missing some "Paul" tagging in the Pauline epistles?

I was trying to find out where Paul speaks about him boasting in something / someone - and was trying to constrain the number of results by using "INTERSECT <Person Paul>"

The two searches below suggest that some People Tagging is missing (blue numerals). Either that or I am misunderstanding something.

Thoughts appreciated.

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Mark Barnes

I don't think the person tagging works consistently like that. It's much more accurate on nouns/pronouns, not on verbs — and there's no pronoun in the Greek. I don't know why that is.

You should try the clause search: agent:Paul verb-lemma:καυχάομαι — although that doesn't return 2 Cor 10:8 or 12:6 for reasons that I don't have time to dig into, sorry.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862682#Comment_862682

I don't think the person tagging works consistently like that

On reflection I think you are right - thanks

You should try the clause search: agent:Paul verb-lemma:καυχάομαι — although that doesn't return 2 Cor 10:8 or 12:6 for reasons that I don't have time to dig into, sorry.

Thanks Mark - great suggestion.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862682#Comment_862682

I don't think the person tagging works consistently like that.

I think the tagging is inconsistent when two nearby verbs are tagged in one instance (2 Cor 11:30) but omitted in another (2 Cor 10:8).

and there's no pronoun in the Greek.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862682#Comment_862682

You should try the clause search: agent:Paul verb-lemma:καυχάομαι — although that doesn't return 2 Cor 10:8 or 12:6 for reasons that I don't have time to dig into

It may be that in those cases Paul is saying "even if I boast"; "even if I should choose to boast" - in other words he isn't actually boasting he is thinking about boasting.

Subtle - but might be what is going on here.

Or it could be a tagging omission[:)]

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862715#Comment_862715

I think the tagging is inconsistent when two nearby verbs are tagged in one instance (2 Cor 11:30) but omitted in another (2 Cor 10:8).

Does my suggestion about "potential boasting" help here at all?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862777#Comment_862777

I've just noticed that the Agent search doesn't include Romans 5:2 which I would have expected it to - so we may be back to tagging omissions.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862779#Comment_862779

I think the tagging is inconsistent when two nearby verbs are tagged in one instance (2 Cor 11:30) but omitted in another (2 Cor 10:8).

Does my suggestion about "potential boasting" help here at all?

The Greek verb seems to have much the same meaning as "pronoun + verb" in English, so why is the first "I" not a referent whereas the last "I" is (2 Cor 10:8)?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862906#Comment_862906

The Greek verb seems to have much the same meaning as "pronoun + verb" in English, so why is the first "I" not a referent whereas the last "I" is (2 Cor 10:8)?

Sorry - I don't understand this.

Which last "I" is a referent?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/862906#Comment_862906

The Greek verb seems to have much the same meaning as "pronoun + verb" in English, so why is the first "I" not a referent whereas the last "I" is (2 Cor 10:8)?

It should ... which is why the interlinear is misleading unless taken to the morpheme level ...

Philana R. Crouch

I was trying to find out where Paul speaks about him boasting in something / someone - and was trying to constrain the number of results by using "INTERSECT <Person Paul>"

The two searches below suggest that some People Tagging is missing (blue numerals). Either that or I am misunderstanding something.

Thoughts appreciated.