In Logos Mobile, can I get one tap glosses while reading the Greek NT?
I would appreciate thoughts on the following from this community of experts!
The Goal...
To read the Greek NT in Mobile Logos, and be able to tap a word (or an associated Strongs number) and have the simple morph/gloss pop up on demand.
My present workaround is to put Greek NT in left pane and an interlinear on the right pane. But I lean too much on the English interlinear text as a crutch.
How I do this on the desktop version...
I use SBL Greek NT. If I hover over the word with the mouse cursor, a footnote appears with information including a short morphology and gloss for the definition. For reading purposes, it's perfect!!! Quite convenient and simple compared to looking up a typical lexicon entry. The short glosses are excellent for quickly catching word meanings.
What I'm asking for on the mobile version (ideally both iOS and Android)...
The same thing, but instead of mouse hover to show brief morph/gloss, I'd like to tap a word in the Greek manuscript (or a strongs link right under the word) and have it show up immediately as a pop up or in the second pane.
Requirement #1: Should be fast and trivial to go back to the regular Greek text without using history.
Requirement #2: It has to display a simple gloss or morph/gloss.
(Otherwise, it would be easier to just keep using an interlinear in the second pane.)
More context...
What I am trying to do is not unlike the Zondervan Reader's Greek NT with the <30 words defined as footnotes, but with every word gloss available, and maybe the morph as a bonus.
I'm not picky about which Greek manuscript, and of course I'm willing to buy a new resource to do this.
Note: I've tried just showing manuscript and Strongs/L-N in the interlinear, but when I tap, it doesn't give me a nice tidy morph and gloss. I have to shift my attention away from the text and focus on the lexicon to get the meaning. Maybe there is a really simple Strongs reference that would accomplish this by providing a very simple gloss instead of a lot of "fluff"?
Final comments...
I suspect this would be useful for anyone learning Greek, who wants to spend part of their effort in real text instead of only studying their Grammar. But I'm devoting a lot of hours to this activity, so it's a purely selfish question, and any tips would be much appreciated.
Thanks for any ideas (or thoughts on why it's not possible).
Bob
(no, not that Bob!)
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Try "pressing and holding" a word and then select "Lookup" from the popup menu
Will only work if the resource has morph tagging so might need to try a few - UBS5 works as does NA28 (maybe not all versions) for example
Does this give you what you need?
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Thanks Graham,
It's a good additional option. The lookup provides the right info and nicely formatted. I can use this for passages I'm very familiar with.
But the lookup takes a while, which unfortunately is a bit slow because I have to look up so many words. Is there anything obvious I can do to speed it up to an instant lookup?
Btw, what resource is it using for the lookup? If it's keyed to Strongs or L-N maybe I could leave that in the second panel and use an interlinear for the text/ref nbrs.
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But the lookup takes a while, which unfortunately is a bit slow because I have to look up so many words. Is there anything obvious I can do to speed it up to an instant lookup?
What sort of time is it taking? The lookup is actually being done against a Logos server so may be dependent on network speed
Btw, what resource is it using for the lookup?
The morphological information is tagged into the resource itself
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It only takes about 4-7 seconds after tapping the word and then tapping lookup (in a weak wireless coverage area that may add latency). The issue with those seconds is that it disturbs the flow of reading, so I start thinking more about the lookup process than the manuscript.
As I think about your suggestion, it occurs to me that the lookup function may be useful in other Logos resources. I'll have to play around with that to see what it can do!
So it looks like my best hope is to find a Strong's tagged lexicon with simple glosses (to use it with an interlinear showing only manuscript and Strong's).
Is there one that would work well for quick simple definitions?
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For anyone looking at this in the future, here are the available alternatives...
1) By default, a long tap...lookup will give you delightfully presented parsing/gloss info.
But it takes a few seconds to do the processing before you see the result.
2) An interlinear plus Strongs Concise Dictionary seems to be a workable solution.
Use the desktop Logos to set Strongs Concise as the first dictionary (which seems to kill the iOS lookup feature). The result is not as visually pleasing, but it's okay. Note: To pick the best lexicon in your library for a quick glance definition, pull up an interlinear with parsing, such as The Greek New Testament, Fifth Revised Edition with Morphology, and then do Long Tap...Lookup...Bible Word Study. Start tapping on the lexicons to see what the entries look like and pick your favorite.
3) Another mobile app
I may still end up using one of those above solutions at times, but for now I took the easy way out and got an NA28 with Mounce parsing, apparatus and a concise dictionary for the OliveTree mobile app. It provides similar nice parsing/gloss, but instantly with a single tap. <Moderators: If a reference to competitor products is not allowed on the forums, feel free to edit it out. But it seems to be useful information for Logos users, not unlike mentioning a paper book recommendation.>
Thanks Graham for the help!!!
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Clearly I know nothing about the mobile app. Now when I tap strongs numbers on an interlinear, it opens a popup Strongs Dictionary resource. Can't tell which one. Before, it seemed that tapping the strongs number would bring up the entry in the second pane. I did add a new dictionary and have fiddled with the resource priorities list in the desktop version, so maybe that had an impact. There doesn't seem to be a manual for the mobile app where this kind of detail can be found.
Anyone know what determines when a link opens a pop up vs a second pane entry?
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Anyone know what determines when a link opens a pop up vs a second pane entry?
Tapping a link should bring up a popup
Tapping the "jump to reference" at the bottom of the popup should update the second pane
Are you seeing something different?
If so, with which resources?
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Well, I thought I was previously tapping the Strongs number in an interlinear/reverse interlinear, and that it opened directly to the dictionary entry in the second pane without tapping "jump to reference" or seeing any popups.
Now, I do get a popup as in the image you provided above. Which leaves me questioning my recollection of the previous UI flow.
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