I think it is about time we see The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament in Logos, or even Vyrso format. Vyrso already offers the Old Testament counterpart, The World and the Word: An Introduction to the Old Testament, as well as the abridged edition The Lion and the Lamb.
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I totally agree. There is a version of The Cradle, the Cross and the Crown in Kindle that I might buy, however my preference would really be in Logos.
There's a vyrso edition:
Unsure why they selected Vyrso as the outlet for this resource, but excited nonetheless. [Y]
Unsure why they selected Vyrso as the outlet for this resource, but excited nonetheless.
Whoa!! The quality on this is horrendous! I understand Vyrso is a largely automated production process when it comes to tagging, but this volume is horrible. Entire paragraphs with zero relevance to a passage of Scripture are tagged as a Scripture passage. Where is the quality control guys? The fact that you decided to publish an 1100+ page academic textbook as a sub-par eBook is one thing, but the quality here is simply unacceptable. Quality control is out the window... IMO, this should be produced in Logos format with proper tagging. Period.
Entire paragraphs with zero relevance to a passage of Scripture are tagged as a Scripture passage.
If you provide a clip with an example, we can probably tell you why.
The fact that you decided to publish an 1100+ page academic textbook as a sub-par eBook is one thing,
The feed from the publisher is automatic. Logos must scan the titles, recognize that it should be a Logos resource rather than Vyrso and pull it.
I'm unfamiliar with this resource. How is this different than other Intro to NT books?
I think is is, but can someone confirm of the Vyrso edition is the Second Edition?
https://vyrso.com/product/129335/the-cradle-the-cross-and-the-crown
I (like Jonathan) read the first edition in print, and it has been very beneficial.
I think is is, but can someone confirm of the Vyrso edition is the Second Edition? https://vyrso.com/product/129335/the-cradle-the-cross-and-the-crown I (like Jonathan) read the first edition in print, and it has been very beneficial.
It is indeed the second edition, stating in the info pane that, "The second edition features update bibliographies and footnotes, interpretation sections that cover different literary genres in the New Testament, an epilogue that canvasses the entire storyline of Scripture, and a variety of maps. All of these new features contribute to making this a life-long resource for students of Scripture."
I experienced the same thing John Kight with "The Bible and Homosexual Practice" by Robert A. J. Gagnon in VYRSO. It was and still is a mess; really ridiculous.
In my case, the fault lies with the "Publisher" ; and FAITHLIFE has requested updated files from the Publisher.
"The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament" should have been a full-blown LOGOS EDITION from the beginning, just as "The Bible and Homosexual Practice" should have.
I think is is, but can someone confirm of the Vyrso edition is the Second Edition? https://vyrso.com/product/129335/the-cradle-the-cross-and-the-crown I (like Jonathan) read the first edition in print, and it has been very beneficial. It is indeed the second edition, stating in the info pane that, "The second edition features update bibliographies and footnotes, interpretation sections that cover different literary genres in the New Testament, an epilogue that canvasses the entire storyline of Scripture, and a variety of maps. All of these new features contribute to making this a life-long resource for students of Scripture."
Great to know. Thanks!
I experienced the same thing John Kight with "The Bible and Homosexual Practice" by Robert A. J. Gagnon in VYRSO. It was and still is a mess; really ridiculous. In my case, the fault lies with the "Publisher" ; and FAITHLIFE has requested updated files from the Publisher. "The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament" should have been a full-blown LOGOS EDITION from the beginning, just as "The Bible and Homosexual Practice" should have.
I agree. This should be an official Logos edition, not a mere Vyrso eBook.
I second the move from Vyrso to Logos.
I experienced the same thing John Kight with "The Bible and Homosexual Practice" by Robert A. J. Gagnon in VYRSO. It was and still is a mess; really ridiculous. In my case, the fault lies with the "Publisher" ; and FAITHLIFE has requested updated files from the Publisher. "The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament" should have been a full-blown LOGOS EDITION from the beginning, just as "The Bible and Homosexual Practice" should have. I agree. This should be an official Logos edition, not a mere Vyrso eBook.
You've got my support for all of these books being moved from Vyrso to Logos.
I have the lion and lamb in vyrso. Could anyone tell me if getting this bigger version is worth it? An example would be great if possible.
Could someone post an example of the two so I can see if the full volume is worth purchasing? I'd appreciate it if possible
Are you wanting a sample of the Cradle, Cross, and Crown from Vyrso? I have it and would be willing to post a sample. Anything specific you want to see?
I will say it's definitely worth it. I've used this extensively.
I also show a sample of it in this video (Disclaimer: I show resources in this video from three different Bible platforms, but most of them are from Logos).
https://player.vimeo.com/video/213466818
Could someone post an example of the two so I can see if the full volume is worth purchasing? I'd appreciate it if possible Are you wanting a sample of the Cradle, Cross, and Crown from Vyrso? I have it and would be willing to post a sample. Anything specific you want to see? I will say it's definitely worth it. I've used this extensively.
That would be great Nathan! I have "The Lion and the Lamb" in Vyrso... I was just curious how it compares to the larger version. No section in particular but I'm currently reading through Hebrews at the moment. I'm just curious if the vyrso version is worth the $17 investment even though I already own the other shorter version. Also, how is the quality of the vyrso version?
Thank you in advance
Could someone post an example of the two so I can see if the full volume is worth purchasing? I'd appreciate it if possible Are you wanting a sample of the Cradle, Cross, and Crown from Vyrso? I have it and would be willing to post a sample. Anything specific you want to see? I will say it's definitely worth it. I've used this extensively. That would be great Nathan! I have "The Lion and the Lamb" in Vyrso... I was just curious how it compares to the larger version. No section in particular but I'm currently reading through Hebrews at the moment. I'm just curious if the vyrso version is worth the $17 investment even though I already own the other shorter version. Also, how is the quality of the vyrso version? Thank you in advance
I had issues directly exporting this to PDF, so I had to export to RTF then PDF the RTF document.
This will give you all the content in Hebrews though to get an idea of how extensive the resource is.
I'm also attaching a screenshot of the book in Logos so you can see how the formatting looks on my screen.
The Vyrso edition isn't perfect on some of the formatting, two issues being the URL's in the table of contents at the beginning of the book are broken instead of actually going to the book chapters (the TOC in the sidebar works perfectly though), and some of the chart text gets really close to some of the in-line text at times. Other than that, all the content is still there though, and I've still been able to heavily use it in seminary without major issues (page numbers aren't there so I cite chapters in my papers which I do for all Vyrso books).
I extensively use this, so I highly recommend it.
Nice to know about the shorter version. I've wanted to recommend this book to beginner Bible study individuals but found it a little too in-depth to do so. If you can send me a link to the shorter edition (and maybe an excerpt from it too), and I'll examine it and see if it's a better recommendation for them.
Hope this helps!
0755.The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown.pdf
I haven't had time to compare the two but here is the Lion and the Lamb's version of Hebrews
5633.The Lion and the Lamb - Hebrews.pdf
I haven't had time to compare the two but here is the Lion and the Lamb's version of Hebrews 5633.The Lion and the Lamb - Hebrews.pdf
Thanks for this! This does look like a good entry level abridgement of CCC. I'll be sure to recommend it to some as an entry level NT Introduction.
I couldn't agree more John. I really like this book. I had it on Kindle and I enjoyed it so much I bought the Faithlife eBooks version of it. As you mentioned, it is definitely an academic textbook so I'm not sure why it's in eBooks and not Logos, but my biggest grip is the hyperlinking.
There are two glaring examples: First, clicking on a chapter title in the Table of Contents does not take you to the chapter page, rather it attempts to open a web page that says "This page cannot be reached" (The web address shown is: http://text/chap01.xhtml)
Second, footnotes appear at the end of each chapter. Every footnote (and there are thousands), outside of chapter 1, links back to the corresponding footnote number from chapter 1 instead of it's correct chapter. This means if I click on footnote 328 in chapter 11, it will link back to footnote 328 in chapter 1.
While for some types of books this may be considered acceptable, I cannot understand why the quality is so poor for a book of this nature.
I agree! This book, now in a second edition, needs to be in Logos! Not an e-book.
