Bug: Passage Guide -> Sermons -> Displays Jonathan Edwards' Name Wrong

Jacob Hantla

See the attached screenshot. Jonathan Edwards name is missing the final s.

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Kyle G. Anderson

Thanks for the report. I appreciate it.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870316#Comment_870316

Thanks for the report. I appreciate it.

There are several issues with the sermon tagging. Some of them have been reported elsewhere, but I'll list them below:

These resources show up with the name of the resource, instead of the name of the preacher:

Able to the Uttermost: Twenty Gospel Sermons — should be "Charles H. Spurgeon"
Messages to the Multitude: Being Ten Representative Sermons — should be "Charles H. Spurgeon"
Farm Sermons — should be "Charles H. Spurgeon"
The Overcoming Life and Other Sermons — should be "Dwight L. Moody"
Moody’s Latest Sermons — should be "Dwight L. Moody"
A Collection of Sermons and Tracts, Vol. I — should be "John Gill"

These resources have the creator as the name of the series, instead of the name of the preacher:

What's weird about these references is that the correct creator shows up in the Information Panel, but then when you search, the sermons don't appear. For example a search for {Label Sermon WHERE Creator ~ "Origen"} doesn't find the sermon in Classics of Western Spirituality, despite that sermon appearing in the passage guide, and despite the tagging apparently saying "Origen". The same is true of the other resources listed above. Something weird is going on.

These resources also have inconsistencies (usually because of Lastname, Firstname instead of Firstname Lastname):

Sermons and Discourses, 1730–1733 — "Jonathan Edward" instead of "Jonathan Edwards"
Sermons and Discourses, 1734–1738 — "Edwards, Jonathan" instead of "Jonathan Edwards"
Sermons and Discourses, 1743–1758 — "Jonathan Edward" instead of "Jonathan Edwards"
The Saints Treasury — "Jeremiah Burroughes" instead of "Jeremiah Burroughs"
The Saints’ Happiness — "Burroughs, Jeremiah" instead of "Jeremiah Burroughs"
Setting Our Affections upon Glory: Nine Sermons on the Gospel and the Church — "Lloyd-Jones, D. Martyn" insted of "D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones"
Sermon Starters, Volume 5 — "Butler, John G." instead of "John G. Butler"
Luther’s Works, Volume 75 — "Luther, Martin" instead of "Martin Luther"
Luther’s Works, Volume 76 — "Luther, Martin" instead of "Martin Luther"
Sermons on the Passion of Christ — "Luther, Martin" instead of "Martin Luther"
A Selection of the Most Celebrated Sermons of Martin Luther — "Luther, Martin" instead of "Martin Luther"
Sermons on the Most Interesting Doctrines of the Gospel — "Luther, Martin" instead of "Martin Luther"
St. Augustine: Sermons for Christmas and Epiphany — "Augustine" instead of "Augustine of Hippo"
The Sinner’s Sanctuary — "Binning, Hugh" instead of "Hugh Binning"
The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Sermons, Vol. XIX — "Charles Haddon Spurgeon" instead of "Charles H. Spurgeon"
The Homilies of S. John Chrysostom Archbishop of Constantinople, on the Acts of the Apostles: Parts I & II, Hom. I–LV — "S. John Chrysostom" instead of "John Chrysostom"
The Homilies of S. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople, on the Gospel of St. Matthew — "Chrysostom, S. John" instead of "John Chrysostom"
Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers 2.7: S. Cyril of Jerusalem, S. Gregory Nazianzen — "S. Cyril of Jerusalem" instead of "Cyril of Jerusalem"
Southern Baptist Journal of Theology, Volume 11 — "Schreiner, Thomas R." instead of "Thomas R. Schreiner"

Finally, resource "The World’s Great Sermons (10 volumes) often only gives surnames. However, it's often quite easy to work out who is being spoken of, as years of birth/death are given. It would be helpful if this tagging was updated. I'm sure the community would help in identifying who the preachers are, although some of them are quite easy: "Spurgeon (1834-1862)", anyone?

I also noticed two errors that affect one sermon, rather than the whole resource:

SERMON XXXIX in A Collection of Sermons and Tracts, Vol. II — the Creator is set as "John Davis", but it was a sermon to John Davis, by John Gill.
The Doctrine of Justification Opened and Applied in The Gospel-Mystery of Sanctification — the Creator is blank, but it was by Water Marshall

I'd also much prefer it if the Jim Wilson quotations books where excluded from this. They're NOT sermons, and including them only adds clutter.

Sermons and Discourses, 1730–1733

Jacob Hantla

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870355#Comment_870355

Thanks for the report. I appreciate it.

There are several issues with the sermon tagging. Some of them have been reported elsewhere, but I'll list them below

Puts my little bug report to shame. [:$]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870355#Comment_870355

What's weird about these references is that the correct creator shows up in the Information Panel, but then when you search, the sermons don't appear. For example a search for {Label Sermon WHERE Creator ~ "Origen"} doesn't find the sermon in Classics of Western Spirituality, despite that sermon appearing in the passage guide, and despite the tagging apparently saying "Origen". The same is true of the other resources listed above. Something weird is going on.

I can reproduce this and have filed a bug. Thanks for letting us know.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870355#Comment_870355

These resources have the creator as the name of the series, instead of the name of the preacher:

I think this is a display bug in the PG sermons section, not a (widespread) data error in the resources; I've created a case.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870512#Comment_870512

These resources have the creator as the name of the series, instead of the name of the preacher:

I think this is a display bug in the PG sermons section, not a (widespread) data error in the resources; I've created a case.

Thanks for confirming this. I'm glad the tagging isn't as bad as feared. For clarification, it's likely the same bug effects the first part of the list, too: those resources that have the title in the Passage Guide.

Now, if Kyle's team can fix the remaining metadata issues, I'll be a happy camper...

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870512#Comment_870512

These resources have the creator as the name of the series, instead of the name of the preacher:

I think this is a display bug in the PG sermons section, not a (widespread) data error in the resources; I've created a case.

This may come back as "By Design", as it was changed to grouping by series during the initial beta (from using the resource name).

But since then, there's been a further (undocumented?) change, and most sermons are now displaying by the Creator name, rather than the series/resource name (see this screenshot for the old behaviour). This was a good change, but it obviously needs to be applied consistently.

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870555#Comment_870555

Thanks Mark. Like Bradley mentioned it's a display bug and not (entirely) a resource issue. I do have have a batch of about 25-35 sermon series that have been updated that I'd like to get out soon. Most of them are on your list. I'm going to look through it and see if I missed any in my own audit.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/870582#Comment_870582

Thanks Mark. Like Bradley mentioned it's a display bug and not (entirely) a resource issue. I do have have a batch of about 25-35 sermon series that have been updated that I'd like to get out soon. Most of them are on your list. I'm going to look through it and see if I missed any in my own audit.

Thanks for fixing the display bug in 7.3 RC2.

There's still one occasion where the bugfix didn't work — The Venerable Bede: On the Song of Songs and Selected Writings. This volume has the creator label set to "Bede", but still shows the series title in the PG.

Also, now that's fixed, it's exposed a few more metadata errors:

Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians: Expounded in a Series of Discourses — "Candlish, Robert S."
A Collection of Sermons and Tracts, Vol. I, Sermon XXXI — (Creator Missing)
Hundreds of the Metropolitan Tabernacle and New Park Street Pulpit Sermons have "Charles Spurgeon", whilst most have "Charles H. Spurgeon". I suspect it's the volumes that I originally listed above.
Lloyd's Jones' series on Acts has "David Martyn Lloyd Jones", whilst most other sermons have "D. Martyn Lloyd Jones". Again, the six volumes are listed at the end of the list above.
Russell D. Moore's sermon in SBJT vol 16 uses "author" instead of "creator".
A Selection of the Most Celebrated Sermons of John Calvin — "Calvin, John"
Sermon XXXVIII in A Collection of Sermons and Tracts, Vol. II has the creators as the people being ordained, not the preacher. This affects all four "Ordination Sermons" in this volume.
Sermon XII in Puritan Sermons, Volume 5 incorrectly appends ".LL.D" to the creator name.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/871554#Comment_871554

The Doctrine of Justification opened and applied lacks an author
The Divinity of Humanity includes author and birthdate in title
Bryant, Al. Sermon Outlines on the Book of Psalms. Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 1997. the original of the numbers 1-51 in front of the sermon name is a bit of a puzzle - I don't see it in the text; the sermons attributed to Jabez Burns and C. H. Spurgeon, F. E. March appear under Al Bryant rather that the attributed author.
THE RECOVERY OF SIGHT BY THE BLIND includes author and dates as part of title
GOD INDWELLING ditto
THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ditto plus name is not standard
THE PASSION OF CHRIST ditto
LET US HAVE PEACE WITH GOD ditto
THE PRIDE OF LIFE ditto
HOW TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN ditto

The covers the first two letters in my list ... it looks like an automatic process was run with even a quick visual of the results.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/871554#Comment_871554

There's still one occasion where the bugfix didn't work — The Venerable Bede: On the Song of Songs and Selected Writings. This volume has the creator label set to "Bede", but still shows the series title in the PG.

This is caused by a data error; I noticed it at the time and already filed an internal bug.

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/871588#Comment_871588

Mark, MJ--Thanks for the update.

FYI--I've done an audit to account for any resource updates in conjuncture with an update to the display and have about 75 resources ready to go. I have about another 25 that are pending some updates. All of your suggestions were either already completed (but not yet pushed out) or ready to be updated.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/871751#Comment_871751

Thanks, Kyle. It's great to know you're keeping on top of these issues.

Colin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/871805#Comment_871805

I was doing a search yesterday and noticed that the initial problem of Edward for Edwards has still not been fixed. Indeed I have results from Edwards, Jonathan and Jonathan Edwards as well as Jonathan Edward. I also have Luther, Martin together with Martin Luther. Finally, there is Charles H. Spurgeon and Charles Spurgeon.

Given Mark and MJ's rather comprehensive reports, perhaps the initial problem has been overlooked.

Colin

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/876215#Comment_876215

Not overlooked. I was hoping to do a sweeping push-out of updates at once but perhaps its better to do a gradual roll-out.

Colin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/876240#Comment_876240

Thanks again Kyle. [:)]

Colin.

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/876243#Comment_876243

Just a heads up. We did a massive update of 200–300 sermon resource. We're planning on pushing out the update on Monday, January 30th. While I hope we standardized the creator names there's a chance we missed some. Please let me know if you notice any.

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/878404#Comment_878404

Sorry. Wrong day. I meant Feb. 6 and the update will affect ~340 resources.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/879090#Comment_879090

While I hope we standardized the creator names there's a chance we missed some. Please let me know if you notice any.

I noticed today that the label for this sermon has the creator set to "Stanley Hauerwas" whereas it should be "Paula Gilbert".

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/909719#Comment_909719

While I hope we standardized the creator names there's a chance we missed some. Please let me know if you notice any.

I noticed today that the label for this sermon has the creator set to "Stanley Hauerwas" whereas it should be "Paula Gilbert".

Thanks. We made an update. It should be available on or around July 10.