Anabaptist journals

I own quite a number of the journal sets, e.g., Theological Journal Library, Christian History Magazine, Archaeology Odyssey, Bible and Spade, Bible Review, Biblical Archaeology Review, Semeia, Journal of Hebrew Scriptures. May I suggest that journals from Anabaptist perspective be made available. I appreciate already the availability of the book A Contemporary Anabaptist Theology and find that volume 5 of Christian History Magazine well suggests that Anabaptists have much to contribute to a Christian worldview.

[I apologize if my suggestion is repetitive, for this is the first time I've logged onto this website.]

Roger E. Test, Pharm.D., M.Div./rogertest@cs.com

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Rick

Being a member of a conservative Anabaptist congregation, I too would love to see more Anabaptist based books etc. I think, however, that since we are in the minority I might just be wishful thinking because of production costs vs. demand. I have found and bought a few resources that Logos has though and am thankful for the few that they do have. There are a few Anabaptist publishers out there and most of the ones I am thinking of don't have internet sites so I don't know if they would even agree to electronic publishing. It is nice to dream though [:)]

Jim VanSchoonhoven

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87368#Comment_87368

A word of encouragement to minority groups, just because your view is not a majority view, does not mean that others would not like to have books on your point of view.

I am not an Anabaptist, but I would like to have some of their books in Logos, I never know when I might have an Anabaptist friend and it is really nice to have the resources to better understand why they believe what they believe.

I have to be honest, some of the books that have helped me the most in my own beliefs have been books written from another view point, they help me to see weakness in my point of view or they show me my point of view is stronger than I thought.

In Christ,

Jim

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87480#Comment_87480

If you are ever interested at looking for some hard copies to look at email me at rick68 at vqme com and I'll send you a link to the only dealer that I know who sells them on line. He has a lot, anything from Amish schoolbooks up to theologies. Very reasonably priced as well but a lot of the books are more along the lines of workbooks as well. Forum rules prohibit me from simply supplying you the link here. [:)]

God bless,

Rick

Edited: Fixed address to prevent spam. Thanks for the reminder!! [Y]

William

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87510#Comment_87510

Rick,

Just a quick thought.. You might want to change the way the email is written...you might see lots of spam.

I do not know this for sure, but, I have seen many other people suggest it to others.

Respectfully,

William

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87600#Comment_87600

Just a quick thought.. You might want to change the way the email is written...you might see lots of spam.

Yes, better to write it as "name [at] domain [dot] com" or something along those lines, so the web bots can't pick it up to use in mailing lists.

You can edit your message here to change that if you do it within...I think it's 18 hours...after posting. Just click the "More" dropdown menu at the right of your post, and select "Edit" -- if you don't see "Edit" on the menu, then you've missed your window of opportunity. But if you really want to get your email address off of there, you could email the Logos support folks and someone there could probably edit it.

And ditto for Roger: It's not a good idea to use your email address as your display name for posting on the forum. You can change that as follows: go to logos.com, sign in if necessary, click on My Account, click on the Profile tab, change the text for Display Name, click Save Changes. Then you also need to go to your Forum profile to make the changes take effect there: go back to forums.logos.com, click Edit (at the upper right), verify that the Display Name now shows what you changed it to in your logos.com profile, then click Save down at the bottom.

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87623#Comment_87623

Yes, I understand. VQME is a paid service that I use which sends challenges to email recipients that are not on my accepted senders list and I have only had maybe four or five spammers get through. My "held mail" shows approx. fifty a day that gets stopped before getting to me. The creeds of the church I am a member of require us to have strong protection such as this company or a few others. Your advice is sound though and would recommend that people listen to it. I am sure that not being careful enough like earlier is one reason so many spammers get my address.

Thanks and God bless [:)]

Edited: I did take your advice and changed it. Thanks for the reminder. Good to know people not only help you a ton here, but watch out for you as well. Love you all.

Rosie Perera

[I should have posted this first before my reply about email addresses, but I wasn't finished editing it.]

+1 [Y] Yes, I'd love to see Direction Journal, which is a peer-reviewed academic journal from a Mennonite/Anabaptist perspective: "For over thirty years Direction has been addressing biblical, theological, historical, ethical, and church-related issues. A semiannual publication, Direction is supported by Mennonite Brethren higher education institutions in the United States and Canada." All the back issues prior to the most recent back issue are available for free online in entirety, so there shouldn't be too much difficulty in licensing the content for Logos.

There are a few Anabaptist publishers out there and most of the ones I am thinking of don't have internet sites so I don't know if they would even agree to electronic publishing.

Herald Press is a major Mennonite/Anabaptist publishing house. It is the book publishing imprint of Mennonite Publishing Network, a ministry of the Mennonite Church Canada and Mennonite Church USA. They are the publishers of the Believers Church Bible Commentary (19 vols), which is available in Logos format. I'd love to see more of their works in Logos! That is the only one so far, and it's a great one.

Rosie Perera

I appreciate already the availability of the book A Contemporary Anabaptist Theology and find that volume 5 of Christian History Magazine well suggests that Anabaptists have much to contribute to a Christian worldview.

There is the bundle The Anabaptists (2 vols.) which consists of The Anabaptist Story: An Introduction to Sixteenth Century Anabaptism and Erasmus, the Anabaptists, and the Great Commission.

Issue 85 of Christian History Magazine is also relevant: "Pilgrims & Exiles: Amish, Mennonites, & Brethren."

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87680#Comment_87680

Wow, I thought that I was almost by myself here. It is great to know others are interested as well. Maybe Logos will hear us!

The Contemporary Anabaptist Theology. I am on page 108 right now. It is kind of a hard read for me, written well above my education level.

Some of my favorites are copy/pasted below:

Since 1998 we have been bringing you products of conservative Mennonite publishers, most of whom avoid the Web:

We also make it possible for you to purchase their school materials -- easily, conveniently, online.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87697#Comment_87697

Since 1998 we have been bringing you products of conservative Mennonite publishers, most of whom avoid the Web:

Interesting. I'd never heard of any of those, for obvious reasons. Are these Old Order Mennonites? Kind of like Amish, right, in that they shun technology? I bet not many of them use Logos! [:)] So maybe putting their books in Logos would benefit an extremely small minority. I remember hearing about a talk given by an Old Order Mennonite out in my neck of the woods (British Columbia Lower Mainland). He'd traveled from Eastern Canada, I think. That they were even able to get him to agree to come and speak was remarkable, but I think there must have been some family connection. (I don't recall whether he came by horse & buggy but I kinda doubt it.) And then there was the question of how he could be heard by the large audience. He refused to use a microphone. I don't remember how they ever resolved that. But it's an amusing story about the clash of cultures.

I found the website of the guy who sells those publishers' materials online. I particularly liked this excerpt from his bio: " Ruby Yoder and I graduated as the only seniors of Elliott Prairie Christian School near Woodburn, Oregon. I don't recall ever asking her for a date as such...we just had class reunions...on a very frequent basis." [:)]

Anabaptism in general (though perhaps not in its most conservative expressions) is experiencing a resurgence of interest around the world, including in the US, where some Christians are beginning to explore whether pacifism might actually be a better stance than the opposite which seems to lead to perpetual war.

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87746#Comment_87746

Sounds like you found Mark's web site. It is the site that I was referring to. A lot of old orders would use these materials. Even though my congregation is not old order we do have a written ordnung (commonly referred to as written creeds to live by). My specific congregation just requires filters and good judgment for the internet but a congregation in which we have a lot of interactivity with requires them to have a program that sends their internet history to their Bishop.

Old order and Amish schools complete school after the eighth grade, ours is the tenth. We still have the option to go to a higher level too. We have had one man become a doctor.

We do practice a form of shun, but not like most people think of as with old orders and we practice excommunication in which they are not asked for communion if they are living in open sin.

Most people in my congregation that use Bible study programs use the free/less expensive because of income and still using dial up. I'm blessed that I am able to invest in software such as Logos and have a broadband connection.

Sounds rough, but I truly love it.

Fred J. Morgan

I would add to this list of fine Anabaptist works in journal form;

"Rod & Staff" First printed by Brock in the 20's and 30's these editions can now be found non-indexed in a Book compiled by Mr Brock and Walter Shank in the 1960s. The Journal was restarted and is now available again through Rod and Staff Publications a fine publishing company of old Anabaptist works and Homeschool material for Christian Parents.
"Heartbeat of the Remnant" Published by Charity Gosple Ministries. Though I do not agree with all of Charity Church practices, the journal is sound Anabaptist articles and is Published FREE. Subscribe at the website (Well worth the time) Also, many Gosple Sermons, mopst of which are also sound conservative Anabaptist... I enjoy these.. Real good Family and Marriage sermons.

Thanks for the time

Fred Morgan [:)]

Kendall Sholtess

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87697#Comment_87697

Glad I caught this thread! I want to add my voice to the others in requesting more Anabaptist resources. I think the most important one which I hope they will someday add it the Martyr's Mirror. It is a huge tome, I have it here beside me, and sometimes I fear that it might overweigh the bookshelf, which will then come tumbling down upon my head. But it is much more extensive than the Foxe's Book of Martyrs. Also, how about Harold Bender's "The Anabaptist Vision?" Anybody for that one?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/282372#Comment_282372

Thanks for the suggestion of "The Anabaptist Vision" -- It's available online on http://www.mcusa-archives.org/library/anabaptistvision/anabaptistvision.html. I just converted it to a Word doc, converted all the footnotes to actual Word footnotes, and compiled it into a PBB. I can't share the .docx file here because it's under copyright, and I'm not sure how to interpret the copyright law. It was published/copyrighted in 1944, so I suppose, based on http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm, if the copyright has not been renewed since then, it is public domain. However I cannot tell whether the copyright has been renewed. It's been spread all over the Internet by now, so probably nobody is really looking after the copyright and going after people. If you'd like it, email me at (the name of this software we're all using) (at) (my first name followed by my last name) (dot) (com).

Fred J. Morgan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/282658#Comment_282658

Rosie, Thanks for the reply.

The Anabaptist vision is a short booklet at only 48 pages, but I am not sure if that is the entire booklet printed on the site you sent. Need to find my copy to check.

I was informed by one of the salesmen that LOGOS does have an agreement with Herald Press though I can find no books on the LOGOS library from them. You can order REAL BOOKS from them;
http://store.mpn.net/catalog.cfm?CatPos=4

Also Herald Press also has a site for permission for sharing any works which will also allow you to check copyright. http://store.mpn.net/catalog.cfm?CatPos=4

God Bless - Fred

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/282722#Comment_282722

I was informed by one of the salesmen that LOGOS does have an agreement with Herald Press though I can find no books on the LOGOS library from them.

Hi Fred, Logos has the entire Believer's Church Bible Commentary set from Herald Press. They might be working on other stuff for all we know, but it can take a while to get it coded into Logos format, and unfortunately their human resources tend to be spread pretty thin and go towards books that will serve the largest number of users. More Anabaptists (or others with interest) need to request such resources before it will tip over some point where Logos finally wakes up and says "yeah, there are a significant enough group of people who would want these resources for us to put the time into it." The same person asking over and over again probably doesn't help, unfortunately. I've gotta hand it to you for your persistence, though. [:)]

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/87746#Comment_87746

Interesting. I'd never heard of any of those, for obvious reasons. Are these Old Order Mennonites? Kind of like Amish, right, in that they shun technology? I bet not many of them use Logos! So maybe putting their books in Logos would benefit an extremely small minority. I remember hearing about a talk given by an Old Order Mennonite out in my neck of the woods (British Columbia Lower Mainland). He'd traveled from Eastern Canada, I think. That they were even able to get him to agree to come and speak was remarkable, but I think there must have been some family connection. (I don't recall whether he came by horse & buggy but I kinda doubt it.) And then there was the question of how he could be heard by the large audience. He refused to use a microphone. I don't remember how they ever resolved that. But it's an amusing story about the clash of cultures.

There were a large number of Amish in one cornerof the county where I grew up. They would drive their horse and buggies into town to shop or have their horses shoed (We had a blacksmith in the church who did wrought iron work and took care of the Amish). They didn't drive cars or have electricity or phones, but they had no hesitancy to take a bus or ask someone to drive them somewhere when needed. There were a number who did excellent carpentry and used electric tools, but someone else owned them. They had a tendency to not mix with the "English." Then there was another group we tended to call the "gasoline Amish" who did drive cars and didn't tend to dress quite so severely as the Amish. One of them owned a Christian bookstore in town -- I bought my first commentary from him (Bethany Book Store). One time when I was learning to use a clutch after having learned to drive, I was taking my dad's car back to him (he lived in the south of town while we lived in the north), I stopped for a light behind several cars and let the clutch out a bit too far and bumped the car in front who happened to be driven by a Menonnite. He was just as nice as could be though I was thoroughly embarrassed.

EDIT: The larger supermarkets in town such as Krogers had spaces reserved for the Amish where they could tie their horses.