It is very similar to, and in such close proximity to, the Windows Close button. I think it would be better placed in the Layouts menu where there is already a 'close' button.
Yes, I could accidentally click on that in its current location. Perhaps it should not look like the surrounding buttons. Make it square, bolder, and color it red (or something like that).
+1 [Y] dislike for current location; suggest moving "Close All" to left of sync arrows (to avoid accidental close of all panels when want help). Also would like square shape because panels and tabs are rectangular along with Bold and Stop Sign Red (or a shade darker)
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Is the icon truly intuitive? Can someone determine by looking at it (without hovering over it) that it closes all panels?
Would it be simpler and more intuitive to say "Close All"?
The other issue is that you have to return to the Home screen to close all panels. That's one extra step, compared to a "Close All" shortcut (which I use regularly).
While it is in the traditional location for MDI-ish apps (like Notepad++, to name a common example), I have clicked the wrong X in such apps enough times to somewhat agree (though the pull of tradition IS hard to resist). Possible alternatives: 1) simply add to the end of user toolbar and allow the user to move or remove as desired, 2) Change the Help menu to an ellipses menu like Chrome/Firefox and add it as a submenu there, or 3) Add it to every resource menu. Maybe also add a Close all <resource-type> menu item also. Eg, ESV resource menu would have Close, Close all Bible Panels, Close All Panels.
But, please, no red buttons. [:P]
Personally I'm happy with it as it is.
I'm so happy to see it is part of the main interface (e.g. no need to open Layouts menu) and that it is small and simple.
I can see where someone might accidentally hit the wrong button. But I don;t like the idea of hiding it under a menu tab. Prior to this beta, I kept a "close all panels" command icon on the shortcut bar.
Perhaps a good compromise would be to move it to the left of the sync indicator, or maybe even immediately to the right of the command box.
I can see where someone might accidentally hit the wrong button.
Confused Mac user asks, "what wrong button?" [:P]
Windows programs have an x at the top left of the screen that closes the entire program
I also dislike having the Close All button so close to Help and Layouts and Sync. Please move it.
I personally never found a need to Close All panels.
Believe you meant "top right." I understand Windows—Just choose not to use it unless forced.
I was just glad to see a "Close All" button, after eight years without one! I use my "Close All" shortcut all the time. I don't really mind where it goes, although I don't think it should be hidden in a menu.
Believe you meant "top right."
I always use the eyes in the back of my head when on the computer [:O]
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I think it would be better placed in the Layouts menu where there is already a 'close' button.
I’m not a beta tester but noticed this thread and appreciate the screenshot. I agree with moving it to the Layouts menu.
I don’t understand why this button is even necessary since we can already save the “close all” command in our Shortcuts bar and then select whatever design we prefer from the set of available images or create a label such as “Close All”. I have the command saved at either end of my Shortcuts bar for fast, easy access and it satisfies my needs perfectly. It seems to me that accessing the command from the Shortcuts bar provides a more customizable alternative which does not clutter the main application toolbar.
If Faithlife’s final decision is to keep this button on the main application toolbar, I agree with moving it to the left but I would request that no changes be made to its color or design. Although I don’t think its presence is necessary, I do like its non-distracting light grey color and small, simple design. Please do not change it to a red or bold color! This would be very distracting and uncomfortable for my eyes.
To reiterate, I agree quick, easy access to the "close all" command is a necessity, but the Shortcuts bar already provides this and it's customizable. The "close all" button on the main application toolbar seems to unnecessarily duplicate the same function, add clutter to the toolbar, and present issues due to its location which are not present with the Shortcuts bar. I believe the best solution is to eliminate the toolbar button, add the command to the Layouts menu, and continue to rely on the Shortcuts bar for primary access.
Respectfully
I don't much care where the button is placed (I have chosen to have my shortcut just to the right of the 'Go to' bar) providing the 'Undo' function works.
It does not appear to at the moment.
Misclicks are a lot less troublesome if they can quickly be reversed.
I don’t understand why this button is even necessary since we can already save the “close all” command in our Shortcuts bar and then select whatever design we prefer from the set of available images or create a label such as “Close All”.
New users (or even many old users) don't know about the close all command, or how they can drag it to the shortcuts. Whenever I'm demonstrating Logos in class, I can guarantee that I'll be asked how that shortcut can be created.
If that button had to be there for some users, can you add an old fashioned "Are you sure?" confirmation before choosing things?
Alternately, can you just preload a Close All shortcut for new users? That way we can delete it if we don't lie it or use it.
Peter
Thanks for your reply Mark. Perhaps you are right and this was their reasoning in adding the button. I tried and could not think of any other plausible explanation. I just checked the home page and was surprised to find out the Quickstart or Logos Pro videos don’t contain any video overviewing important basic tips like this for new users.
I’m hoping Faithlife will someday add user controlled options to hide individual toolbar buttons which a particular user seldom or never uses, finds annoying or distracting, or routinely accesses through a different means. The following UserVoice suggestion pertains to Resource Panel Toolbar buttons, but the concept could be applied to our discussion here regarding the main application toolbar: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/16517689-add-an-option-to-hide-any-individual-button-within
Alternately, can you just preload a Close All shortcut for new users? That way we can delete it if we don't lie it or use it. Peter
Preloading a "close all" command to the Shortcuts bar is a great idea Peter! It's simple and should satisfy everyone. I hope Faithlife considers this instead of the button.
I much prefer having it as a button independent of my own shortcuts, for what it's worth - I did have it in my own in the shortcut bar, but it felt a bit less polished, plus I'd forget it was there, nestled as it was among the other shortcuts I'd made for myself.
but it felt a bit less polished
I agree with this. I think that this is partly because to icon set available fr our own shortcuts is so limited. Custom icons would be nice!
I would rather have a different design- the location is fine- but thus would be fine it offers a lot of contrast to surrounding work area.
With no offense intended, due to my own particular eye sensitivities, I would find a red button like this extremely distracting and uncomfortable to the point of adversely affecting my use of the program. If a toolbar button must be used, my eyes would tolerate the present beta version fine (non-distracting light grey color, small, simple design).
I realize that visual acuity, eye sensitivities, and other eye health issues, are different for each of us. For example, some users might prefer bold or high contrast colored buttons, while for me, this would be distracting and cause eye discomfort. This is one reason why I advocate user controlled options to hide individual toolbar buttons if one desires.
Perhaps Faithlife could some day allow users to customize the desktop screen by selecting our own toolbar button choices from a set of available images (similar to the way the Shortcuts bar can be built now only with more choices). Does anyone know of any technical obstacles which would prevent this from ever being considered?
And thats ok really the color they use is irrelevant- its the design of it which makes it different than the surrounding elements- blue, light blu, green, yellow- any color would be fine.
any color would be fine
Grey, please, to match everything else in the toolbar. We don't need one particular layout button to unnecessarily draw attention to itself.
Very well stated! I agree 100%.
any color would be fine Grey, please, to match everything else in the toolbar. We don't need one particular layout button to unnecessarily draw attention to itself.
I like to make my own personally- contrasting colors works best for different things- I don't use their version- my tool bar version:
Faithlife,
If you're not going to change the location of the Close All button, can you please add a confirmation prompt before actually closing all the panels?
I'm not a beta guy & I don't have opinions on the location but please PLEASE PLEASE! work this into the next release!
There's now an 'undo' option, on the Layout menu (i.e. closing all will save the existing layout as a snapshot, which you can easily restore).
If you're not going to change the location of the Close All button, can you please add a confirmation prompt before actually closing all the panels? There's now an 'undo' option, on the Layout menu (i.e. closing all will save the existing layout as a snapshot, which you can easily restore).
Great! Now hook that up to Cmd Z and we will all be happy. :-)
More than confusing, it is completely unnecessary. There has always been a way to create this button if you want it (can't image a need for it myself). The placement is foolish and makes me question the designers' competence.
If you're not going to remove it entirely, Logos, at least allow us to remove it or disable it individually.
Logos, at least allow us to remove it or disable it individually.
I am not too happy with the close all button either. However, clicking on it does automatically save a snapshot of your layout before closing everything, so it's relatively easy to recover if you do accidentally click on it.
it's relatively easy to recover if you do accidentally click on it.
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