Running Logos 7 on the new AMD Ryzen 5
Anyone planning to build a new PC? The new Ryzen processors by AMD are very fast and affordable. It has increased the speed of Logos Bible Software 7. It used to take my computer 7 seconds to load a simple search, but load searches in 2 or 3 seconds. Total cost of this computer is $945.
I built a new desktop yesterday and here are the specs:
Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
MSI B250 Tomahawk Motherboard
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Processor
G.Skill Flare X 16GB DDR4 3200 Memory
PNY 240GB Sata Drive
EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2 220-G2 Power Supply
Fractal Design Define C Black Case
Radeon R7 240 GDDR5 Graphics Card ( I don't do gaming )
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I actually just built my first CPU for Logos:
Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
AMD Ryzen 7 1800x
G. Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3200 (Currently clocked @ 2400 due to MOBO issues)
1 TB Samsung 960 Pro M2 Nvme
Kingston Sata 240GB SSD
4 TB Seagate Enterprise Sata HDD 7200 RPM
EVGA Supernova 850 P2
Coolermaster Masterliquid 240
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PowerColor Red Dragon Radeon RX460 2GB GDDR5 (Placeholder until Vega comes out, then I will get Vega or 1080Ti)
This is actually only about 30% faster than my Surface Pro 3 in Logos applications. I was expecting a bit more, but I really like working at the desktop and I am still waiting on other optimizations to the Ryzen platform.
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Only 30% increase from 960 Pro NVMe from SP3? that's pretty disappointing...
I'm thinking about upgrading my 850 evo ssd to 960 evo nvme, now I'm having second thoughts.
How big is your library? Doing searches and big indexing doesn't improve?
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My library is quite large, shows ~50,000 resources ATM. Initial indexing still took about 24 hours, although subsequent indexing has been subjectively faster from what I remembered. Searches are where I am getting that 30% figure:
"christ" in all text all resources: 6,705,621 results in 1,149,330 articles in 32,103 resources
960 Pro: 25.56 sec
SP3: 30.82 sec
Ran these just now. Like I said, I've seen about 30% on other occasions. YMMV, but I honestly don't think you will see huge strides from a Sata SSD.
That said, I have seen improvements in performance over time and the Ryzen platform and Mobo's are new so I'm still hoping for improvements. I'd like to be able to run my RAM at rated speeds for example.
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wow... I guess it is true that those benchmarks are not as close as the real life stuffs. I suppose it could be true if we're moving big files around often.
Thanks for the info Tanner!
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My pleasure! Save that cash and get yourself some much needed resources.
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I went from a 2009 Athlon processor with 8GB of DDR2 ram so that is why I noticed a bigger difference. But value wise the Ryzen 5 processors are a deal and do provide adequate performance power to run Logos 7. By the way, you built a nice system!
I actually just built my first CPU for Logos:
Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
AMD Ryzen 7 1800x
G. Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB DDR4 3200 (Currently clocked @ 2400 due to MOBO issues)
1 TB Samsung 960 Pro M2 Nvme
Kingston Sata 240GB SSD
4 TB Seagate Enterprise Sata HDD 7200 RPM
EVGA Supernova 850 P2
Coolermaster Masterliquid 240
Phanteks Ethnoo Luxe Tempered Glass
PowerColor Red Dragon Radeon RX460 2GB GDDR5 (Placeholder until Vega comes out, then I will get Vega or 1080Ti)
This is actually only about 30% faster than my Surface Pro 3 in Logos applications. I was expecting a bit more, but I really like working at the desktop and I am still waiting on other optimizations to the Ryzen platform.
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Thanks, Diego. I really enjoyed the process and had fun learning about everything. I know I didn't get the best value components, but I was trying to future-proof a bit. I hope it lasts me for many years to come.
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The Ryzen is a very good value. I think it's the first time in a while that I'd rather have one than an Intel processor. I'm currently using a six core AMD FX-6200 on my desktop and it's faster than the i7 in my laptop. YMMV
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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By far the biggest difference is the SSD. Logos isn't a computation-heavy program. It's a data-retrieval program.
For example:
- I upgraded my old PC with an old AMD Athlon Duo (circa 2010) by adding a SSD and it radically sped up Logos.
- Last year I replaced that aging system including an Intel Core i7-6700 - a hugely powerful processor - and saw no discernible improvement in speed for Logos.
The SSD is what made all the difference.
Having enough RAM is the next most important thing for Logos. Processor is only an issue if it's tremendously outdated.
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I agree, because with my previous computer after I upgraded the hard drive to an SSD drive everything improved drastically. At this point processors are so fast that simply having 8GB of RAM and an SSD drive will make Logos run very smooth. When doing searches on Logos the difference between a regular hard drive and an SSD drive is night and day.
By far the biggest difference is the SSD. Logos isn't a computation-heavy program. It's a data-retrieval program.
For example:
- I upgraded my old PC with an old AMD Athlon Duo (circa 2010) by adding a SSD and it radically sped up Logos.
- Last year I replaced that aging system including an Intel Core i7-6700 - a hugely powerful processor - and saw no discernible improvement in speed for Logos.
The SSD is what made all the difference.
Having enough RAM is the next most important thing for Logos. Processor is only an issue if it's tremendously outdated.
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How important do you guys think a graphics card is for running Logos? According this site https://www.logos.com/support/logos5/hardware Logos recommends a stand alone graphics card over an integrated card. I understand Intel's and AMD's built in graphics is more capable and actually outperform the average low budget graphics cards now. Unless we are going to be gaming is there any reason to spend a lot of money on a good video card for Logos?
The new Ryzen processors do not come with built in graphics therefore you have to install a graphics card. I got a budget (GT 710) one for and it is working well with Logos and it runs Blu-ray movies just fine.
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The one you have (GT 710) should be sufficient. I was using Logos on a Nvidia 540M, and it worked fine. So if it can run fine on a 4 year old laptop, a desktop 710 should run great. If Ryzen had been mobile last year, and had a good laptop with the Ryzen CPU, I would have gotten one.
When I found out Ryzen was released, I went to Tom's Hardware to see what they said. After all the "AMD did a great job!", they wouldn't recommend AMD. I called BS on them for that.
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I returned the GT 710 and upgraded it with an Asus RX 460 which was only 30 more dollars than the GT 710 after rebates. I figured I prepare for future needs. I also got an i5 HP laptop over a year ago but I wish AMD had something available at that time. I have always been an AMD fan because of their cost/performance balance.
The one you have (GT 710) should be sufficient. I was using Logos on a Nvidia 540M, and it worked fine. So if it can run fine on a 4 year old laptop, a desktop 710 should run great. If Ryzen had been mobile last year, and had a good laptop with the Ryzen CPU, I would have gotten one.
When I found out Ryzen was released, I went to Tom's Hardware to see what they said. After all the "AMD did a great job!", they wouldn't recommend AMD. I called BS on them for that.
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Learning how to use Logos 7 better has made it faster than any hardware upgrade I've done so far.I have seen genuine performance increases from Win 10 and Sierra. Although I can't make a direct comparison, L7 runs way faster than L4. Focusing too much on hardware instead of just learning Logos better is liable to be a costly and disillusioning disappointment.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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Anyone planning to build a new PC? The new Ryzen processors by AMD are very fast and affordable. It has increased the speed of Logos Bible Software 7. It used to take my computer 7 seconds to load a simple search, but load searches in 2 or 3 seconds. Total cost of this computer is $945.
I built a new desktop yesterday and here are the specs:
Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
MSI B250 Tomahawk Motherboard
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Processor
I am interested in a Ryzen based build, but I looked for the MOBO you reference and I can't find it. I found a B250 that's intel compatible and a B350 Tomahawk that's Ryzen compatible. Are you sure you don't mean B350? Just curious.
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Yes it is the B350, and it is a great motherboard!
Anyone planning to build a new PC? The new Ryzen processors by AMD are very fast and affordable. It has increased the speed of Logos Bible Software 7. It used to take my computer 7 seconds to load a simple search, but load searches in 2 or 3 seconds. Total cost of this computer is $945.
I built a new desktop yesterday and here are the specs:
Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
MSI B250 Tomahawk Motherboard
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Processor
I am interested in a Ryzen based build, but I looked for the MOBO you reference and I can't find it. I found a B250 that's intel compatible and a B350 Tomahawk that's Ryzen compatible. Are you sure you don't mean B350? Just curious.
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The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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I actually just built my first CPU for Logos:
1 TB Samsung 960 Pro M2 Nvme
Kingston Sata 240GB SSD
Tanner,
I've just reinstalled Logos on 960 Evo..
I'm wondering if Logos software doesn't have the capability to utilize the write speed on the fast HD such as M.2 NVMe...
The reason I'm saying this is because..shouldn't we see big improvements on indexing if the writing speed on the new NVMe is like 3-4x faster than our old sata ssd?
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mike,
Is your Evo M.2? I know they make both models. I agree that I thought we would be seeing huge improvements and really only saw marginal improvements. I indexed a couple of days ago on both my 960 Pro and my Surface Pro and the Surface Pro did take about twice as long.
I chalked some of the inefficiencies up to the new Ryzen platform. Maybe there are other reasons? I will try and do some testing this weekend and see if I can't figure things out.
-tanner
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Tanner,
Yes, the 960 Evo is the M.2 one.
My library is around 26k resources and it took me around 7 hours or so to index. And I don't think that's much improvements from my ol' Sandisk Ultra II SSD from 2014.
Anyway.. Big bummer for us I guess.
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Tanner,
Yes, the 960 Evo is the M.2 one.
My library is around 26k resources and it took me around 7 hours or so to index. And I don't think that's much improvements from my ol' Sandisk Ultra II SSD from 2014.
Anyway.. Big bummer for us I guess.
Yea, like I said I was expecting more. I was hoping Ryzen updates would fix it, but it sounds like you aren't on Ryzen so even those hopes might be dashed. I'll continue optimizing.
-tanner
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