$140 CP Bid (Reg. $749.99) Mobile Ed. OT312 Book Study: Deuteronomy

Mobile Ed: OT312 Book Study: Deuteronomy

https://www.logos.com/product/137109/mobile-ed-ot312-book-study-deuteronomy

Instructor: Daniel I. Block

Video Hours: 20

Reg.: $749.99 but on community pricing the bid at post time is $140.00. The low end has been getting reduced once there are more people showing interest.

These are not going up and I think we can drive them to even lower pricing. Yes, I have any older post that seems to have done little good is at http://community.logos.com/forums/p/136898/891389.aspx#891389.

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David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/901675#Comment_901675

Why????

I can't comprehend why this CP window is framed the way it is. Why is the peak price point CENTERED in the frame, especially when the frame was very recently adjusted so that the peak was moved from the far left edge? It's as if the people who built "the engine" don't understand how it works and seem intent on using it as a paper weight. The price point that shows at the far right edge of the window should be $110, if only to establish that the price falls away from the $105 peak.

Actually, I need to correct myself, because the most recent adjustment DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER MOVING THE PEAK PRICE POINT TO THE CENTER OF THE FRAME. There are 7 price points to the left of the peak (the direction which the bidding trend is straining to reach) and 9 price points to the right. This is beyond absurd, because these right-side price points are less relevant at this point than telegraph machines. If $110 was the right edge price, then the lowest visible bid on the left side would be $30. THIS CP COULD EASILY CLOSE AT THAT PRICE IF CUSTOMERS ONLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BID AT THAT PRICE.

What gives, FL?? How can customers take comment such as this seriously...

We definitely plan on promoting the Mobile Ed community pricing courses going forward.

The more people who order them, the lower the price will be for you!

...when your actions force customers to constantly strain at the leash to get the best possible community price?

PLEASE REMOVE THE LEASH! Every CP that has a peak above 90% should have that price point at the penultimate position on the right, so that customers who want lower prices have opportunity to have their voices heard in the bidding process.

Tes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/899314#Comment_899314

I am in...trust me I am unemployed right now so I hope it goes even lower for sure.

Hope you are well in what is likely a time of uncertainty.

As for the cost--I have never asked Logos this, but my assumption is NOT that they cap/limit how low a price is, they just estimate what it will likely go for when they make their range. If enough sign up, the price can lower, I would think. I'm all for lowest price possible, too!

Dear Dan, greeting to you .

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/901677#Comment_901677

If $110 was the right edge price, then the lowest visible bid on the left side would be $30.

Giving customers too many choices can overwhelm them (as well as make it more difficult to lower bids to one specific target). FL probably has experience with this, and might know what they're doing.

Right now, people have 7 choices to the left of the CP. Adding an additional 9 more lower price points only moves us farther away from the optimum number of choices.

Even with the present minimum of $70, there's no agreement to do one specific thing. Everyone has their own idea of what the right bid is for them, and how they should bid. This is an education issue (and a debate), and it's not FL's job to fix that.

Not everyone is going to bid the minimum (whether it is $70 or $30).

Some are going to bid the CP, because it's a successful (safe) bid to them.
Some are not going to lower their bid. In this case, 40% of the bids never got lowered, many from the initial minimum of $180.
Some are going to bid somewhere between the minimum and the CP (e.g. $90 or $80) because they aren't aggressive bidders.
Some are going to bid the minimum and hope that we can get 1.5x or 2x or 3x or 3.5x as many bids to create a new minimum CP.

Opening up even more lower bids before $70 peaks may be counter-productive. Lowering the minimum too often (or possibly too much) seems to throw a wrench into the works. If you don't believe that, look at the Hebrews CP. The previous minimum of $80 didn't move up and become a pre-closing peak because $70 (4 total lower choices) became the new minimum before $80 (two lower choices) ever got any traction.

Here are two questions we can discuss.

If people aren't lowering bids from $90 or higher to $80, what makes it likely that they'll lower bids to $70 or $30?
How many people are there who wouldn't bid the current $70 minimum, but would bid a $30 minimum? Are they not bidding because the course isn't a good value yet? And if so, do they know that not bidding makes it harder to lower the price?

I suggest that we don't have a community consensus about bidding, even when the current price is centered. What one person sees as productive, another may see as counter-productive.

Whatever the minimum or final price, wherever the current price is located, I'm thankful for the courses that FL produces.

The best we can do is love one another. What does it profit us if we lower the price on a CP, but get frustrated over decisions that FL or others make?

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/901686#Comment_901686

Still at $105- from all the hype I hear about Mobile Ed, if this does not get to $65-75- I'll have to reconsider my participation with these products.

If you really think these resources are so great- get behind them in CP, lets reduce the cost for us all.

BID, BID, BID!!

Benjamin Burns

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/901686#Comment_901686

Here are two questions we can discuss.

If people aren't lowering bids from $90 or higher to $80, what makes it likely that they'll lower bids to $70 or $30?

How many people are there who wouldn't bid the current $70 minimum, but would bid a $30 minimum? Are they not bidding because the course isn't a good value yet? And if so, do they know that not bidding makes it harder to lower the price?

I just bit the bullet and placed a speculative bid of $70, however I am probably not interested in actually purchasing this course unless it dives down to about $40 or less.

Despite having read and considered the arguments here, and understanding that the only way to lower the price is to bid, there still was a small mental hill to climb in order to place the $70 (an amount I really would not feel comfortable paying). I am sure that mental hill would be much higher, perhaps even a mountain, for some who are less familiar with the arguments here and/or more set in their ways of conceptualizing the process.

I don't know how many people there are like me, but I would hazard a guess that there are quite a few that fit one or more of the three "categories" that I fall into which make the Mobile Ed courses less of a value to me (n.b. I do still believe they will provide some value and useful insights) than to others here. Those being:

Studied scripture at college or seminary
Of a different faith tradition than the professor of the Mobile Ed course
Relatively poor

The lower the price point can be pushed, and the more that lower price point can be advertised (from being the price point viewed on the CP page, to posts here, to social media, to emails), the more people who fit one or more of these categories will jump on.

Gordon Jones

This course is terrific value at it's current price, and if just a few more people place an order then it could cross the finish line as low as $100. That's a discount of $649.99 - wow! :-)

Block is really good and I'm looking forward to learning more about Deuteronomy from him with this resource.

JohnB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/901686#Comment_901686

The best we can do is love one another. What does it profit us if we lower the price on a CP, but get frustrated over decisions that FL or others make?

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DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/901891#Comment_901891

Here are two questions we can discuss.

If people aren't lowering bids from $90 or higher to $80, what makes it likely that they'll lower bids to $70 or $30?

How many people are there who wouldn't bid the current $70 minimum, but would bid a $30 minimum? Are they not bidding because the course isn't a good value yet? And if so, do they know that not bidding makes it harder to lower the price?

I just bit the bullet and placed a speculative bid of $70, however I am probably not interested in actually purchasing this course unless it dives down to about $40 or less.

Despite having read and considered the arguments here, and understanding that the only way to lower the price is to bid, there still was a small mental hill to climb in order to place the $70 (an amount I really would not feel comfortable paying). I am sure that mental hill would be much higher, perhaps even a mountain, for some who are less familiar with the arguments here and/or more set in their ways of conceptualizing the process.

I don't know how many people there are like me, but I would hazard a guess that there are quite a few that fit one or more of the three "categories" that I fall into which make the Mobile Ed courses less of a value to me (n.b. I do still believe they will provide some value and useful insights) than to others here. Those being:

Studied scripture at college or seminary

Of a different faith tradition than the professor of the Mobile Ed course

Relatively poor

The lower the price point can be pushed, and the more that lower price point can be advertised (from being the price point viewed on the CP page, to posts here, to social media, to emails), the more people who fit one or more of these categories will jump on.

4. Don't watch videos.

I'm happy to pay premium for Block. But you couldn't give me a free Block video. $700 or $0. I might survive a minute or so, before trashing it. I have a friend who loves video courses .... but can't survive a minute on a book on the same subject/author.

Lew Worthington

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/902927#Comment_902927

4. Don't watch videos.

4.1 Watch videos, but wonder why videos, that surely take much less time to put together than books, cost an order of magnitude more than books.

Yet, it's an interesting delivery system. Although I could (and did, back in the day) teach such classes, these things give my wife and me something to talk about in ways we may not talk about if we read something together or if she listens to me drone for a spell.

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/901686#Comment_901686

The best we can do is love one another. What does it profit us if we lower the price on a CP, but get frustrated over decisions that FL or others make?

1) Your definition of love appears to be the single-sided coin common among most Bible readers.
2) I'm utterly unaware of anything in the Bible that equates frustration with sin.
3) The most frustrated character in the Bible is YHWH.

Fasil

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/902952#Comment_902952

3) The most frustrated character in the Bible is YHWH.

wow ! David.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/902956#Comment_902956

Ok lets get this one headed down to $75 if possible.

Once again FL please supply a bibliography so we know what the resources are and how of an additional investment will be necessary to make this 100% usable.

I really don't understand the reluctance on furnishing this request.

Hapax Legomena

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/902971#Comment_902971

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FL please supply a bibliography so we know what the resources are and how of an additional investment will be necessary to make this 100% usable.

...

Seems like a reasonable request (and I'd like to know, too)

DAL

Bump ✊!!! Just a few more bids to cross over the line. For $105 this one is a good deal!

DAL

JohnB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/902952#Comment_902952

2) I'm utterly unaware of anything in the Bible that equates frustration with sin.

I don't know that anyone was classing it as a sin - it certainly does not help stave off a possible heart attack or increase one's joy in life as far as I am aware !!!!

Seriously, thanks for all you have done in this and other CP items. You may not be satisfied with the results but it certainly has helped a lot of people through reduced prices and purchases that they might well not have made (including me).

Miles Custis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/902971#Comment_902971

Once again FL please supply a bibliography so we know what the resources are and how of an additional investment will be necessary to make this 100% usable.

I really don't understand the reluctance on furnishing this request.

It's not that we are reluctant to share which resources are linked to in a course...we just aren't able to share that list until it is finalized. We do share a list of all resources each course links to (including how many times they are linked to) in the course specific Faithlife groups. We don't generate that list until the final stages of production for the courses. This allows us to post the info while the courses are still on pre-pub. Unfortunately, we aren't able to get the complete list up while these courses are on community pricing.

While we don't yet have the complete list of resources that this course will link to available, I can tell you that it will for sure make use of some of Daniel Block's books, especially his Deuteronomy commentary. This is a large course with over 150 segments, so there will likely be a lot of resources linked to, but these products would be your best bet to start with:

Hope this helps.

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/903165#Comment_903165

these products would be your best bet to start with

Thanks, Miles!

Aways grateful for these courses, and for any opportunity to get any of the recommended books on sale before the course ships.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/903198#Comment_903198

Thanks Miles- yes it does help - for a start- total cost determines whether it is affordable for me.