NASB in Paragraph Format

One question, the mobile version of NASB95 in Android/iOS platform will not release the update to keep the original or will receive the update soon?

Gavin Murphy said:

Thanks Alabama! Any chance you could chime in on my post over here? Sorry to be off topic but I can't message you either 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/99300/904922.aspx#904922

Gavin (and other newer posters to the Forum), If you enter a "space" after a URL it will become "clickable"

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/99300/904922.aspx#904922  

How do I disable paragraph format?  I have read verse by verse format for 30+ years with no problems and so have gotten quite used to it.  I especially want to disable paragraph format on my mobile devices.  If this ability is not there, please add it ASAP.  This was quite a shock this morning, a very unpleasant shock.  I understand people like paragraph format, so I guess I am ok with it being the default, just want the ability to change it back to what I have been using to for the past 30 years.  Thanks.

Verse by verse?  Paragraph?  How about just good ol' Greek papyrus format?

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After all, if it was good enough for the Apostle, it's good enough for me.  [;)]

Michael S. said:

But would be an interesting feature to have none the less.

Interesting thought.  If such a volume were to be produced, just think of how much genuine exegesis would have to be accomplished by even the most casual Bible reader!

Michael S. said:

Not sure the usefulness of it

Imagine a group bible study.  "We have received a letter directly from the Apostle Paul but before we can even begin to understand the meaning of it, we must first determine what exactly he wrote.  You are not allowed to refer to any 'regular' English texts as we, as a group, discuss/determine what the words are, where the sentences begin and end, where commas should go, and where the paragraphs begin and end."  If you have genuinely interested students, the discussions could get rather interesting.

It's quite possible that is exactly what Paul instructed Timothy about in I Tim 4.13 -   "Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching."  In other words, one couldn't simply stand up and directly read on first sight, some preliminary exegetical work had to be done to determine what had been written ... followed by more exegetical work to determine what it meant.

Wonderful!!!  Was it really necessary to screw the rest of us so that a few can be satisfied????  Now I go to use my NASB95 this morning and all the settings have been changed without my OK, everything is in paragraph format when I want verse format, after much playing around with settings I can sort of get things where I want it but without appropriate chapter settings.  To further make things worse after starting things up this morning it took more that two minutes even to get highlighting to work.  I am so fed up with this program I wish I'd never bought into it years ago!!!

alabama24 said:

Frank Payne said:

As of today, that visual filter seems to be missing.

• Click on the visual filter menu for the NASB (three circles icon)
• Click on the carrot/arrow for "Bible text only"
• Check "one verse per line"

Oh - tried that did you?  And that got the NSAB back to the previous format did it?  I think not.  Either no chapter headings, or unwanted spaces between verses, different numbering formats.  All so that a few complainers who prefer a different format can be accommodated at the expense of the rest of us who liked what we had.  Gee - thanks a lot Logos.

Kyle G. Anderson said:

It appears this exposed some weaknesses with the visual filter that we're addressing.

Thanks Kyle for replying to our concerns.  I am another customer who was extremely disappointed to see the publisher’s original verse format removed from the program.  

To repeat what has previously been expressed in this thread, the new visual filter significantly differs from the publisher’s original verse format in the following ways:

(1) It primarily uses double spacing between verses (with occasional inconsistent appearances of single spacing).  (2) It uses single spacing above and below pericope titles which creates a cluttered appearance.  (3) Chapter number headings have been removed with appropriate spacing above and below them.  (4)  All verse numbers are bolded instead of just those which begin a new paragraph. 

What has not yet been mentioned is the change to a default paragraph format also created a problem with the Copy Bible Verses tool.  The publisher's original verse format was removed as a Copy Bible Verses style choice.  The Print/Export feature was also affected since this is only able to print or export what is viewable on the screen (the flawed visual filter view or paragraph format).

Suggestion:

I believe the best and simplest long term solution might be to make the Lockman Foundation's original NASB verse format available as a separate resource for purchase.  I spoke to a Lockman Foundation representative yesterday who told me since they have provided both formats to Faithlife, they would have no objections if Faithlife decides to sell the verse format and the paragraph format as separate resources.  This would ensure that everything (default verse formatting, Copy Bible Verses style, and Print/Export documents) appear exactly as before should a customer purchase the verse formatted version. 

One of the reasons I suggest this is while I remain hopeful the visual filter adjustments will be successful, I am fearful the final results may still not reflect the original publisher’s verse format that we had before (one verse per line, consistent single spacing between verses, double spacing above and below pericope titles, chapter number headings with appropriate spacing above and below, and verse numbers beginning a new paragraph bolded with all other verse numbers unbolded).  I also wonder whether or not the Copy Bible Verses style issue will be addressed.  

I have just about completed drafting a UserVoice suggestion to make the Lockman Foundation's original NASB verse format available as a separate resource for purchase, but since Faithlife is working on the visual filter problems and hopefully the Copy Bible Verses tool issue I might wait a little bit to submit that.

Final thoughts: 

The many of us who prefer and depended upon the publisher’s original verse format are just as passionate as those who prefer the paragraph format.  Faithlife just never heard from us before because there was nothing to complain about.  We were completely satisfied.  Therefore, I respectfully suggest it would have been a mistake to interpret our silence as an indication of there being any less customer demand for verse formatting.

With that said, I don’t understand why this needs to be an either/or decision.  The publisher has provided Faithlife with both verse and paragraph formatting and their approval to use them however Faithlife sees fit.  Perhaps it’s possible to design a user controlled option to change the NASB’s default formatting between verse and paragraph without having to rely on an imperfect visual filter.  However, without also addressing the Copy Bible Verses tool issue this would be an incomplete resolution. 

In the final analysis, it may be simpler and certainly more profitable for Faithlife to just offer the Lockman Foundation’s NASB verse and paragraph formats as separate resources for purchase.

Elijahpower said:

I received the latest update of NASB95 today and it is in the paragraph format.  I happen to prefer the verse form, but it will not go back to it.  When I click on verse option it stays paragraph.  It would be nice to have both formats work.  Thank you.

You can get back to a semblance of the original if you're prepared to spend enough time experimenting and to jump through enough hoops.  Under the visual filters, click 'Bible Text Only', and under that, click on 'Bible text formatting', 'Chapter/Verse numbers', 'Non-Bible text' and 'One verse per line'.  That will get a lot of it back.  Of course you won't get the chapter titles, there are no paragraph markers, and if you've highlighted any verse numbers you'll find they're all messed up too.  Oh yeah, and you'll probably have to do the NT and the OT separately.

Tony Baldarelli said:

Also, have NASB print Bibles changed to paragraph formatting?  

Hi Tony - No they have not.  Both are available.  The Lockman Foundation representative I spoke
with a couple of days ago said they produce and sell both verse and paragraph
formats and they have provided both formats to Faithlife.  (Incidentally, he said he also
prefers verse format.)

Tony Baldarelli said:

I just checked iBook, biblegateway, and a few others, and they all have paragraph format.......

My WORDsearch program has verse format as its default view with an option to switch to “paragraph mode”.  Its mobile app is in verse format.   My Olive Tree App provides the option of viewing in verse or paragraph format.  My print Bible is verse formatted.

Well I'm loving it- sorry it has not met expectations for most of you, but whatever they do- hope there is no reversal back to line formatting.

This is perfect for reading or study- MHO.

Since it seems FL is counting, I prefer the verse format. I hope we can get a full version in that format soon. I just tried the Visual Filters and it is disappointing. Can you please put the version back to the original?

My brothers and sisters.  I am assuming that is true- that you all are in Christ.  I am going to be painfully honest here with you all.  Reading most of your comments has left me the impression of the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness complaining about the manna, or the quail.  Honestly some of you sound like spoiled brats!  I understand being frustrated with an unpopular change in your product- but going so far to say (or type) the things you all have said is akin to "I'm taking my marbles and going home" type of mentality.  I am sorry to say, it is silly.  Are you grown?  I, as a brother, am calling you to check your attitude here and examine whether it is Christ like.  If you find, as I hope you will, that it is in error, I pray your repentance on this.  FL has said they are working on the visual filter so you can have it either way- paragraph or verse by verse.  Give them a chance to do that and stop whining already, I hear it from my kids enough already.

I have said my peace.

Not sure what is going on with the system of others but mine is working flawlessly. Is there something I prefer, yes change the color of the verse numbers and note indicators( whether number or letter) to contrasting colors if possible- or better give user control over it.

Other than that- my version is perfect. For those who prefer verse format- FL should offer them that choice, I see no reason not to.

Don Walker said:

Come on Logos the round wheel rolls far better than a square one.

I thought it was square.

Don Walker said:

Why change?

People asked for it, and versification is already built into the visual filters, which Faithlife has already said they are working on fixing so that it does display as expected for the NASB.  

It's coming. It is promised.  It will be ok.

David Thomas said:

When the construction is complete, you will have an improved commute giving you the option of either lane.

As a central Illinoisan who can divide the year between pothole season and construction season ...  just yes.  That is all.

Kyle G. Anderson said:

It appears this exposed some weaknesses with the visual filter that we're addressing.

Faithlife,

As you are making adjustments to the visual filter, please don’t overlook the related issue the change to default paragraph format caused for the Copy Bible Verses tool. 

All the styles that say “Fully Formatted” are now in paragraph format.  Prior to this change, all the styles that said “Fully Formatted” where in verse format, but these styles have been removed.  Please restore all “Fully Formatted” styles in verse format to the existing set so customers may have a choice of using the publisher’s verse or paragraph formatted style.

I am aware there is a “One Verse Per Line” style and “Observation Worksheet” style but neither of these use the publisher’s original verse formatting. 

I have routinely used Copy Bible Verses to copy NASB chapters to MS Word and then print them out in the same verse format as my print Bible using customized font and margins for easier reading.  I would very much like to have this capability back.