Suggestion: Highlighting interactive
I'd love to see a highlighting interactive made available in Logos, so I could easily access my highlighting across different resources and palettes:
- The interactive would allow me to browse my highlights, using faceted browsing.
- It would be split into two panels — the left panel containing the facets, and the right panel the quotes.
- The right-hand panel would be similar to the Quotes view of a highlighting document.
- It would let me switch between "By Style", and "By Resource".
- When set to "By Style", the left-hand column would
- list of all my Palettes and Styles for which I currently have highlighting, and allow me to drill down to select what I want, with the matching quotes appearing in the right panel, grouped by resource. Palettes and Styles I'm not using would be ignored.
- When set to "By Resource", the left-hand column would list all the resources where I have highlighting. I could select the one I want. The right-hand panel would then show those quotes, grouped by palette and style. Ideally, there would be additional metadata from the library, so I could also choose filter my list by authors, subjects and tags.
The reason for the interactive is that we currently have to choose where we store our highlighting.
- If we store "by resource", we can't easily see all the resources where he have yellow highlighting. (We can do a search, but it only shows snippets, and the syntax can be hard to remember.)
- If we store in palette specific documents, we can easily see all the yellow highlighting, but we can't easily see all the highlights in a particular book.
If we have an interactive, we'd have the best of both worlds, regardless of how we stored our highlights.
Who agrees with me? Is there anything else you'd like to see a highlighting interactive accomplish?
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Great Idea. I would use this a lot.
I hope there would be a good way to copy / print selected highlights as well.
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Man, I'd almost kill for this feature. Lol 😂
Myke Harbuck
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Mark, I agree with your idea.
I've tried to develop good habits of segregating my highlights in resource-specific and Bible book-specific files, but early on I didn't and do have highlights scattered across palates and styles in a single resource. This would help me for those situations.
I like the idea of being able to select a specific style of highlighting to browse. Yes we can search, but this would make the process easier.
I think this is a browser-style addition similar to the Bible browser, but FL can call it whatever it wants.
However it is implemented, we need to be able to Export/Print the results.
FL has all of the parts needed to put something like this together, so I think it could be done rather quickly if they choose to do it (and I hope they will).
Thanks for the good suggestion.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I was intrigued by the term "faceted browsing", which was new to me. I pay attention to new technologies mentioned on Logos forums after encountering mind maps here for the first time.
After spending two hours searching the web and reading a published paper evaluating the use of faceted searching for library catalogues, I conclude that perhaps the "faceted browsing" aspect might be the more interesting part of the proposal. I have wanted the ability to refine searches by searching over prior search results in some manner. With Logos, I have to refine the search terms by adding more complexity with layers of syntactic cruft.
I suggest that Logos engineers examine the faceted browsing used by people who manage big data stores, but implement Mark's suggestion as the first installment.
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David
i don't know if you have seen this but some of the current tools / Interactives use faceted browsing already.
New Testament Use of the Old Testament is an example as is the Bible Browser
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Graham,
No, I hadn't seen these, yet. I am still trying to get my feet on the ground with Logos 7 and be prepared to provide some tutorial help for some Logos newbies at our church. Thus, I have been re-honing my knowledge of prioritization, notes, highlighting, and searches. I started to go through the new tool sets, but hit a roadblock when my son pointed out the new Courses tool. It is great! But I have allowed a course on Calvin's theology to soak up some of my extra time.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
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Graham Criddle said:
David
i don't know if you have seen this but some of the current tools / Interactives use faceted browsing already.
New Testament Use of the Old Testament is an example as is the Bible Browser
The New Testament Use of the Old Testament is really interesting. However, I was amazed that the N.T. references quit at Rev 2:20! John was just getting going!
How does this short list jive with Carson & Beale:
"No other book of the NT is as permeated by the OT as is Revelation. Although its author seldom quotes the OT directly, allusions and echoes are found in almost every verse of the book."
Beale, G. K., & McDonough, S. M. (2007). Revelation. In Commentary on the New Testament use of the Old Testament (p. 1081). Grand Rapids, MI; Nottingham, UK: Baker Academic; Apollos.0 -
Where do we go to vote for this! Would upgrade to the Extended Features Package for this alone!
And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers (Mal 4:6a)
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After trying out one of the other faceted searches, I would vote for it, as well. But I think it has to be officially submitted before we can "vote".
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Additional feature. Batch Drag and Drop or Cut and Paste! Make it easy to move highlights around between palettes and resources. This is probably a bridge too far . . .
And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers (Mal 4:6a)
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David A Egolf said:
However, I was amazed that the N.T. references quit at Rev 2:20!
I can't reproduce this problem; my copy of the interactive shows almost 600 allusions/citations in Revelation.
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Mark Barnes said:
If we have an interactive, we'd have the best of both worlds, regardless of how we stored our highlights.
Who agrees with me?
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David A Egolf said:
However, I was amazed that the N.T. references quit at Rev 2:20!
I can't reproduce this problem; my copy of the interactive shows almost 600 allusions/citations in Revelation.
Actually, after about 10 minutes of stalling, the rest of the Revelation citations showed up. However, as soon as I closed and opened the panel, it hung up at the same place. I restarted Logos and duplicated the same sluggish behavior. The rest of the Logos program does not "hang" during the period. Even the panel itself responds to further input. But it sure balks after Rev 2:20 when ALL is selected.
I was operating on a MS Surface Book running Windows 10. It has an SSD drive with plenty of space.
I have just duplicated the problem on my ThinkPad laptop running Windows 7 with a normal HDD.
The reference count for Revelation is correct at 590, but if I leave the panel set to the default, ALL, then after struggling to pull down the slide to the bottom (it keeps refreshing as it is building the report), the report ends on Rev 2:20.
If I select Revelation, then all the verses of Revelation display fairly rapidly. After seeing that display, I went back to All (2572) and as I am typing in this paragraph, it is still "stuck" at Rev 2:20.
I just clicked above the slider, then pulled it back down. It is still stuck on Rev 2:20.
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Mark Barnes said:
I'd love to see a highlighting interactive made available in Logos, so I could easily access my highlighting across different resources and palettes:
- The interactive would allow me to browse my highlights, using faceted browsing.
- It would be split into two panels — the left panel containing the facets, and the right panel the quotes.
- The right-hand panel would be similar to the Quotes view of a highlighting document.
- It would let me switch between "By Style", and "By Resource".
- When set to "By Style", the left-hand column would
- list of all my Palettes and Styles for which I currently have highlighting, and allow me to drill down to select what I want, with the matching quotes appearing in the right panel, grouped by resource. Palettes and Styles I'm not using would be ignored.
- When set to "By Resource", the left-hand column would list all the resources where I have highlighting. I could select the one I want. The right-hand panel would then show those quotes, grouped by palette and style. Ideally, there would be additional metadata from the library, so I could also choose filter my list by authors, subjects and tags.
The reason for the interactive is that we currently have to choose where we store our highlighting.
- If we store "by resource", we can't easily see all the resources where he have yellow highlighting. (We can do a search, but it only shows snippets, and the syntax can be hard to remember.)
- If we store in palette specific documents, we can easily see all the yellow highlighting, but we can't easily see all the highlights in a particular book.
If we have an interactive, we'd have the best of both worlds, regardless of how we stored our highlights.
Who agrees with me? Is there anything else you'd like to see a highlighting interactive accomplish?
Good news, Mark: our new notes platform that we're beginning to develop internally was designed to address almost all of these issues.
- Notes, highlights, and clippings are all stored in a single database.
- Every note, highlight, or clipping has a wealth of metadata associated with it (e.g., when you took it, where you took it, what resource it's in, what reference it's on, what text string it's attached to, what style you used).
- Faceted browsing lets you filter down to the notes, highlights, or clippings that match the things you care about.
- Multiple viewing options allow you to choose how to display your note content, the associated context, etc.
I think you're going to love it.
(Disclaimer: design and initial implementation may not be identical, so please understand that aspects of what I describe above may be absence from v1.)
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
I think you're going to love it.
It certainly sounds great! I guess we'll have to wait for Logos 8 for it.
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David A Egolf said:David A Egolf said:
However, I was amazed that the N.T. references quit at Rev 2:20!
I can't reproduce this problem; my copy of the interactive shows almost 600 allusions/citations in Revelation.
Actually, after about 10 minutes of stalling, the rest of the Revelation citations showed up. However, as soon as I closed and opened the panel, it hung up at the same place. I restarted Logos and duplicated the same sluggish behavior. The rest of the Logos program does not "hang" during the period. Even the panel itself responds to further input. But it sure balks after Rev 2:20 when ALL is selected.
I was operating on a MS Surface Book running Windows 10. It has an SSD drive with plenty of space.
I have just duplicated the problem on my ThinkPad laptop running Windows 7 with a normal HDD.
The reference count for Revelation is correct at 590, but if I leave the panel set to the default, ALL, then after struggling to pull down the slide to the bottom (it keeps refreshing as it is building the report), the report ends on Rev 2:20.
If I select Revelation, then all the verses of Revelation display fairly rapidly. After seeing that display, I went back to All (2572) and as I am typing in this paragraph, it is still "stuck" at Rev 2:20.
I just clicked above the slider, then pulled it back down. It is still stuck on Rev 2:20.
I can reproduce this if I scroll through the references, rather than selecting Revelation as the NT book, but I imagine that's not the way most people use this tool (it certainly isn't how I would use this tool).
David, might I suggest clicking on Revelation on the toolbar on the left under the "Book (NT)" header?
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Mark Barnes said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
I think you're going to love it.
It certainly sounds great! I guess we'll have to wait for Logos 8 for it.
Hopefully not. It should start to make its way into the web app later this year. Timing for the desktop app is still TBD, but our current plans are not to hold it for Logos 8.
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Mark Barnes said:
Thanks Phil, and FL! Looking forward to this new notes platform!
Hoping that the new note attachments will work within the courses tool, and properly display with RTL languages.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Mark Barnes said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
I think you're going to love it.
It certainly sounds great! I guess we'll have to wait for Logos 8 for it.
Hopefully not. It should start to make its way into the web app later this year. Timing for the desktop app is still TBD, but our current plans are not to hold it for Logos 8.
Awesome! I can't wait to see what you do. I've been diligent about maintaining neatness in my notes, but I've always felt that notes was a little lacking many of the capabilities you're talking about here.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:Mark Barnes said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
I think you're going to love it.
It certainly sounds great! I guess we'll have to wait for Logos 8 for it.
Hopefully not. It should start to make its way into the web app later this year. Timing for the desktop app is still TBD, but our current plans are not to hold it for Logos 8.
Phil,
Any plans or discussions on a tool to allow users to move a batch of notes / highlighting to another document?
And are there any discussions on a better way to handle default highlighting. I'd love to see a complex default highlight options, such as: Highlighting in a Bible attaches to a predefined notes documents for Type:Bible, the same for commentaries, Vyrso books, and more. Would love to be able to drill down to types and tags for setting default highlighting, so that I can "set it and forget it" when it comes to my highlighting options.
Myke Harbuck
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Myke Harbuck said:
Any plans or discussions on a tool to allow users to move a batch of notes / highlighting to another document?
I do understand how many of us started with the default setting for notes from any resource ending up in a single palette-specific document, changing later to resource-specific documents, and ending up with notes from the same resource in multiple documents.
Being able to move/reorganize notes would be a plus.
But if the new notes platform allows us to filter/find notes across all note documents, I might not bother to manually move them.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Phil is saying is that the new system won't use documents at all. So you won't need to move it between documents. I would imagine that existimg document names will be added as tags, so if the documents ARE important to you, you'll still be able to show all the highlighting that was stored in a particular document.
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Mark's right. When we release the new notes tool, we'll give you the ability to migrate all of your existing notes, highlights, and clippings documents to it. We'll preserve your existing document structure as notebooks, the analog of a note document in the current system, but notebooks will really be just another piece of metadata on the note. Reorganizing your notes will largely be a matter of editing metadata. Most of the management concerns present in the current system will go away in the new system. You'll simply use faceted browsing to find the notes you're looking for and won't have to worry if they're "in the right place." Now, you may still want to add notes to a notebook, since that's what will enable you to share and collaborate with others. But you won't have to do that to keep your notes well organized. We're very much aiming to eliminate all the management overhead of the current system. You should be able to just take a note, highlight, or make a clipping, and we'll add almost all of the metadata automatically. Then filter as needed to find what you're looking for.
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Thanks, Mark and Phil!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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This all sounds great!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Mark's right. When we release the new notes tool, we'll give you the ability to migrate all of your existing notes, highlights, and clippings documents to it. We'll preserve your existing document structure as notebooks, the analog of a note document in the current system, but notebooks will really be just another piece of metadata on the note. Reorganizing your notes will largely be a matter of editing metadata. Most of the management concerns present in the current system will go away in the new system. You'll simply use faceted browsing to find the notes you're looking for and won't have to worry if they're "in the right place." Now, you may still want to add notes to a notebook, since that's what will enable you to share and collaborate with others. But you won't have to do that to keep your notes well organized. We're very much aiming to eliminate all the management overhead of the current system. You should be able to just take a note, highlight, or make a clipping, and we'll add almost all of the metadata automatically. Then filter as needed to find what you're looking for.
Phil, this is great to hear... I'm constantly trying to work between Logos and Evernote and there just isn't a good way to do it. I really want an export or even copy/paste function that would work where I could just copy my notes from "today" into Evernote or something like that. Some way to get them out of Logos into my editing software.
Any ballpark timeframe on this? I've got so many highlights and notes on some docs like the main ESV text that it's becoming difficult to maneuver around the doc at all. This year? Thanks, can't wait for the new structure!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Mark's right. When we release the new notes tool, we'll give you the ability to migrate all of your existing notes, highlights, and clippings documents to it. We'll preserve your existing document structure as notebooks, the analog of a note document in the current system, but notebooks will really be just another piece of metadata on the note. Reorganizing your notes will largely be a matter of editing metadata. Most of the management concerns present in the current system will go away in the new system. You'll simply use faceted browsing to find the notes you're looking for and won't have to worry if they're "in the right place." Now, you may still want to add notes to a notebook, since that's what will enable you to share and collaborate with others. But you won't have to do that to keep your notes well organized. We're very much aiming to eliminate all the management overhead of the current system. You should be able to just take a note, highlight, or make a clipping, and we'll add almost all of the metadata automatically. Then filter as needed to find what you're looking for.
Hi Phil, I'm so excited about this new note / highlighting / clipping system.
This new system will open up so many possibilities. Let me just mention two that come to mind. They are both related to the basic idea that this new system could easily allow for different templates of fields of metadata, including structured metadata, that could be either customizable by the user, or offered OOTB by Faithlife.
An example of something that could be offered OOTB by Faithlife (maybe with some customizability) would be a personal preaching tacklebox of anecdotes, illustrations, etc. Here is a post I wrote a few years ago with a possible implementation of that: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/96967/671698.aspx#671698.
But moving beyond OOTB tools, it would be great for the user to be able to create (and share) templates of metadata, including field(s) for structured, possibly multi-level, table of contents, where the user could check off elements of the table of contents that apply when taking a note/clipping/highlight. This would be useful for both academic and pastoral work:
The basic idea would be that you create a structured outline of an article, book, or homily/sermon you are writing. Then, as you are investigating, and you come across a text that is of interest for one or more parts of your work, you would select that text and add a note/highlight/clipping. You then would be able to select the sections of your table of contents to which this text applies: for a chapter of your book, a section of your article, or a part of your homily/sermon. When you are done, you could then go through (or print/export) your table of contents, with all of your notes and highlighting and clippings already organized for you under your multi-level table of contents.
I'm sure there are lots of other possibilities a centralized database opens up as well! Looking forward to it! [:)]
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Hi Phil and Bradley,
Will the new note system be compatible with the mobile apps?
I am excited to hear about the new notes system. I have a large number of note files (>1,000), big and small. I create most notes/highlights on my Windows desktop but also use them on my Android tablet while reading and for teaching. I need to be able to create and update notes both directions.
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Tim Hensler said:
Hi Phil and Bradley,
Will the new note system be compatible with the mobile apps?
I am excited to hear about the new notes system. I have a large number of note files (>1,000), big and small. I create most notes/highlights on my Windows desktop but also use them on my Android tablet while reading and for teaching. I need to be able to create and update notes both directions.
We plan to move web, desktop, and mobile to the new notes system, probably in that order. I don't have a time frame for mobile, but we'll definitely be moving all platforms to the new notes system in due time.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
We plan to move web, desktop, and mobile to the new notes system, probably in that order.
As the new notes system is rolling out, will notes, highlights and clippings created on one platform sync to the other platforms even if they are not using the same (new/old) notes system?
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Tim Hensler said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
We plan to move web, desktop, and mobile to the new notes system, probably in that order.
As the new notes system is rolling out, will notes, highlights and clippings created on one platform sync to the other platforms even if they are not using the same (new/old) notes system?
We will do our best to ensure no data loss and to have as little disruption to your workflow as possible. We still have to work out some of the migration details, but our aim is to stay out of your way so you can continue to use Logos with minimal to no interruption. As we get closer to migrating, we'll provide more details on the implications for users of each platform.
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Thank you Phil, for the great work you and your team are doing. I am looking forward to the new notes system.
Blessings
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Suggestions for new Note/Clipping/Highlight program
Mark Barnes said:
I'd love to see a highlighting interactive made available in Logos, so I could easily access my highlighting across different resources and palettes:- The interactive would allow me to browse my highlights, using faceted browsing.
- It would be split into two panels — the left panel containing the facets, and the right panel the quotes.
- The right-hand panel would be similar to the Quotes view of a highlighting document.
- It would let me switch between "By Style", and "By Resource".
- When set to "By Style", the left-hand column would
- list of all my Palettes and Styles for which I currently have highlighting, and allow me to drill down to select what I want, with the matching quotes appearing in the right panel, grouped by resource. Palettes and Styles I'm not using would be ignored.
- When set to "By Resource", the left-hand column would list all the resources where I have highlighting. I could select the one I want. The right-hand panel would then show those quotes, grouped by palette and style. Ideally, there would be additional metadata from the library, so I could also choose filter my list by authors, subjects and tags.
Great ideas Mark!
Hi Mark and everyone,
I'm new at posting and by no means an expert on Logo 7 so please forgive me if I'm ignorant and fuzzy on what I'm about to say.
When I'm reading, whether it is the Bible or an other book, and find a word, verse, or passage of text that I want to make a note in, I find that one of my biggest issues is, when I right click on the selected text that I can't just select "add a note". I must first open and create a note file. It would be much easier to just have the option to "add a note", like a sticky, and have the program create an editable and searchable note file, that you could still hover over and preview.
Also, possibly ( in the right click menu) show in a drop down a list of previously created note files for that resource so I would have a choice to create a new note or add it to one previously made without having to go to the documents menu and search and open one and add a note that way.
Also the note doc/file itself is not user friendly. I would prefer to have an open or blank page that notes would be added to. Each note for the book or topic could be separated as if you would separate thoughts in a Word document and still hyperlinked to the original resource. Currently notes and headings are separated by text boxes in the note page and have to be opened by clicking the view button, very cumbersome and not reader or editor friendly.
I know FL is working on a new note taking/ clipping/highlighting program and I'm truly thankful for this huge undertaking. It would be nice if there were a separate forum heading where all user suggestions for this project could be posted and FL could view them and possible resond with updates as they are developed?
Again, please excuse anything I have said in ignorance and feel free to correct me.
Thank you
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Bill said:
When I'm reading, whether it is the Bible or an other book, and find a word, verse, or passage of text that I want to make a note in, I find that one of my biggest issues is, when I right click on the selected text that I can't just select "add a note". I must first open and create a note file. It would be much easier to just have the option to "add a note", like a sticky, and have the program create an editable and searchable note file, that you could still hover over and preview.
Also, possibly ( in the right click menu) show in a drop down a list of previously created note files for that resource so I would have a choice to create a new note or add it to one previously made without having to go to the documents menu and search and open one and add a note that way.
Hey Bill! Welcome to the forums! I agree, the notes can be cumbersome at times. There is one piece of misunderstanding that I wanted to correct. On the desktop app, you can add notes to the last opened note by highlighting some text and right clicking on it, and selecting "add note to 'note name'". This should fix you up if you're needing that quick functionality to add notes to a frequently visited document. See my screenshot below:
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There is one piece of misunderstanding that I wanted to correct. On the desktop app, you can add notes to the last opened note by highlighting some text and right clicking on it, and selecting "add note to 'note name'". This should fix you up if you're needing that quick functionality to add notes to a frequently visited document.
Thank you Andrew!
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Will the shortcut Cmd+Z work with the new note system?
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