The Complete Biblical Library
I don't know if you have heard about that. It is a library that is tailored for layman. NT 16 volumes and OT 22 volumes. This set is famous for its dictionary on Greek and Hebrew (6 or them are Greek dictionary and 7 of them are Hebrew dictionary). The WordSearch has already published the NT set (link deleted).
And they said that they are going to publish the OT set early this year.
I like it a lot. And I would be glad if it is included in Logos, which is a much better software than WordSearch.
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It seems to me that Logos already has all those functions (greek/hebrew lexicons, interlinears, word study analysis, etc). What features in particular do you like that Logos doesn't have?
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As I have said, its dictionary is the most famous function of the library. For example, in the NT, all Greek lexicons is given a definition, cognate relation, and synonym. And after that, the background of classical Greek usage, Septuagint usage, and New Testament usage are explained. This feature has a good repertoire since these 3 are the basics to understand how the people on those days use it. While the TDNT seems to have similar functions, the dictionary in this library seems better for layman. And finally, concerning about the dictionary, this library is the only dictionary that include the NT and OT lexicons. e.g. TDNT might be very good in these aspects too, but it doesn't include the OT on its own (as far as I know, it is). So, the complete Biblical Library is the only one that contain both NT and OT and has such features (cognate, synonym, classical, Septuagint, NT usage...) The only bad thing of this dictionary is that it use its own numbering system. But in Logos, I believe that it can be easily linked to any other numbering system that compensate the only cons of it.
And for the interlinear, of course we have a lot here. But different versions is different. We wouldn't say having one of them (let's say, Lexham) would be enough. The same for the commentary and the harmony of Gospel. Also, there is a book on Greek Grammar too. For the commentary, I don't think it is comparable to, say, Baker, Zondervan, etc. But it is good to see how another group of scholars view the Bible (which is still evangelists).
I own the printed NT, but never get an OT. It will be very great to have both included in Logos (instead of WordSearch, well, I don't use WordSearch, and I believe that Logos is much better in handling libraries then WordSearch).
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Yes, I took a look at the video demo, and it looks like this would be very nice for laypeople to have all of these things in one resource -- easier to use than across the multiple resources in Logos. But it sounds like this resource is a WordSearch proprietary product (they say "exclusively available [for] WordSearch" in their advertising materials), so I doubt they would be willing to license it to Logos, which is a competitor of theirs.
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I have asked the staff in WordSearch through email, and he said, "I do not know if we are the only ones to have it."
Well, hopefully not. I like the complete biblical library and the Logos. It will be great if they "marry" with each other.
By the way, the bad thing is that the publisher or any of the editors of the Complete Biblical Library are very very very difficult to contact. I put a lot of effort to be able to contact one of the editor, but he said that he don't know how to redirect this suggestion to the publisher or the main editor as well.
So, if any has a method to make the suggestion to the World Library Press, Inc. (1992) or the International Editor Thoralf Gilbrant, that will be great.
By the way, the commentary in the Complete Biblical Library is not so good, but the dictionary are really great.
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I believe this may violate the forum guidelines about linking to a competitor from the Logos forums.
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Terry Poperszky said:
I believe this may violate the forum guidelines about linking to a competitor from the Logos forums.
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx
I think it was an innocent question not designed to give business to a competitor, and sort of necessary in order to ask the question "Could you provide this resource here in Logos?" Just like when people link to amazon.com for hard copy books they'd like to see in Logos.
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Rosie Perera said:
I think it was an innocent question not designed to give business to a competitor, and sort of necessary in order to ask the question "Could you provide this resource here in Logos?" Just like when people link to amazon.com for hard copy books they'd like to see in Logos.
Rosie, you are probably correct. I was not judging, I was simply making a statement and then pointing the person to the rules of the forum. If they don't feel they are impinging on them, as far as I am concerned the matter is over.
May I ask how you would have worded it? Or do you think that I should not have brought the matter up at all?
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Kolen Cheung said:
By the way, the bad thing is that the publisher or any of the editors of the Complete Biblical Library are very very very difficult to contact. I put a lot of effort to be able to contact one of the editor, but he said that he don't know how to redirect this suggestion to the publisher or the main editor as well.
So, if any has a method to make the suggestion to the World Library Press, Inc. (1992) or the International Editor Thoralf Gilbrant, that will be great.
I did some Googling around for you, and the editor Thoralf Gilbrant is a very old man, born May 23, 1919; now a pensioner living in Spain. I doubt he's personally involved in this product anymore or giving permissions to ditigally publish it, nor contactable by email.
Here is the contact info for World Library Press in Springfield, Missouri: http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k3o7ltn5s/world-library-press-inc/, and another listing (from the Springfield phone directory, which includes a phone number): http://maps.boomtrek.us/springfieldmo/100307179567/world-library-press-inc.
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I should point out that I don't think Logos likes users contacting other publishers directly and trying to get them to work with Logos to bring their products out in Logos format. Logos has ways of developing relationships with publishers that work better, and appreciates hearing our requests for products, but not meddling in their affairs. I only provided info which is publicly accessible via the web, though, which you could have found yourself. Use with discretion.
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Rosie Perera said:
Thoralf Gilbrant is a very old man, born May 23, 1919
Old? He's younger than either of my parents [;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Rosie Perera said:
Thoralf Gilbrant is a very old man, born May 23, 1919
Old? He's younger than either of my parents
Fine, but are your parents still involved in the work they did in their careers 20-40 years ago? :-)
Anyway, by your logic, there could only ever be one "old" person in the world at any given time, because everyone else is younger than that one. Old is definitely a relative term, but I think from the bio I found of this guy it appears he has settled into his old age retirement and wouldn't want to be bothered about this book he edited in the heyday of his "youth" (ages 50-70). That's all I meant. I know you were just joking around. But I had to defend my choice of words to describe why he probably wasn't the one to contact about this matter.
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Oh! Thanks a lot! Apparently, I am a newbie...Terry Poperszky said:I believe this may violate the forum guidelines about linking to a competitor from the Logos forums.
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Rosie Perera said:
Fine, but are your parents still involved in the work they did in their careers 20-40 years ago? :-)
No, Dad moved from cows to county computer nerd. [:D] Okay, I'll admit he quit going into the schools in his late 80's and dropped the country auditor's office in his early 90's. And, yes, he is in failing health. But I had to tease you a bit - some people are an old 50; others a young 90. Mother's cousin has given up international travel and teaching at the University of Texas in her mid-90's.And I have the little old lady lurking in the shadows avatar.[:P]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Rosie Perera said:
I should point out that I don't think Logos likes users contacting other publishers directly and trying to get them to work with Logos to bring their products out in Logos format. Logos has ways of developing relationships with publishers that work better, and appreciates hearing our requests for products, but not meddling in their affairs. I only provided info which is publicly accessible via the web, though, which you could have found yourself. Use with discretion.
Actually, from one of the staff in the Logos (through email):
"If you would like to see that library in
the Logos format, you could contact
the publisher and suggest to them that they publish using the Logos format as
well."That's why I would like to contact the publisher of "the Complete Biblical Library".
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Kolen Cheung said:
Actually, from one of the staff in the Logos (through email):
"If you would like to see that library in the Logos format, you could contact the publisher and suggest to them that they publish using the Logos format as well."
That's why I would like to contact the publisher of "the Complete Biblical Library".
Fair enough. I'm glad you checked. I've given you (in the previous post) all the info you should need for contacting them. I couldn't find an email address.
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Kolen Cheung said:
I don't know if you have heard about that. It is a library that is tailored for layman. NT 16 volumes and OT 22 volumes. This set is famous for its dictionary on Greek and Hebrew (6 or them are Greek dictionary and 7 of them are Hebrew dictionary). The WordSearch has already published the NT set (link deleted).
And they said that they are going to publish the OT set early this year.
I like it a lot. And I would be glad if it is included in Logos, which is a much better software than WordSearch.
Actually, if I remember correctly, WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7 years.
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Bill Shewmaker said:
Actually, if I remember correctly, WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7 years.
o dear! [:(] [:'(]
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Bill Shewmaker said:
Actually, if I remember correctly,
WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7
years.The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.
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STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT!
According to the forum rules competing products must be referred to as "The Program Which Must Not Be Named"!!!
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Terry Poperszky said:
STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT!
According to the forum rules competing products must be referred to as "The Program Which Must Not Be Named"!!!
Really? It sounds like Harry Potter...
Then how should we address it?
Thanks.
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Terry Poperszky said:
STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT!
According to the forum rules competing products must be referred to as "The Program Which Must Not Be Named"!!!
this is a very dumb rule
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Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.Stein Dahl said:The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.
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Terry Poperszky said:
STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT!
According to the forum rules competing products must be referred to as "The Program Which Must Not Be Named"!!!
You are going to far with this forum rules thing. As far as i am concerned - WordSearch![6]
Ted
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Bill Shewmaker said:
Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.Stein Dahl said:The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.
Thanks for the info but 7years exclusively to Wordsearch? I sure would love to see "The Complete Biblical Library" in Logos.
Ted
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Ted Hans said:
You are going to far with this forum rules thing. As far as i am concerned Wordsearch!
Please see my post where I said I made it up[:D]
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Terry Poperszky said:
Please see my post where I said I made it up
I posted before you wrote. Another joke, which i did not get until i read you last post - story of my life[:$].
Ted.
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Ted Hans said:Bill Shewmaker said:
Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.Stein Dahl said:The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.
Thanks for the info but 7years exclusively to Wordsearch? I sure would love to see "The Complete Biblical Library" in Logos.
Ted
Amen.
What I could do is probably buy it through WordSearch. And actually that make sense to WordSearch. Well, Logos is so powerful already, including so many resources. But the Complete Biblical Library might be "the best" that they can offer already (I just guess, from how they introduce it in the video, well, it is great, but pretty much overstating).
And to Complete Biblical Library, it is good either. After all, it is dead already! It stops publishing it for some reason (if any of you know the true reason, please tell me). So, to give it the WordSearch, at least they can make it alive again, without a care on how much they can sold out (if they want to sell more, probably they should come to Logos. But I might have neglected the factor that Logos users know how to use many other resources that has similar function so that they might not need Complete Biblical Library that much).
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My opinion concerning the rules as applied to this post, I believe the rule really did not apply here, but the fact that you brought up the rule, caused more possible damage to Logos than what would have been done by letting a simple honest question run it's course!
In Christ,
Jim
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JimVanSchoonhoven said:
My opinion concerning the rules as applied to this post, I believe the rule really did not apply here, but the fact that you brought up the rule, caused more possible damage to Logos than what would have been done by letting a simple honest question run it's course!
In Christ,
Jim
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Terry Poperszky said:
STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT!
According to the forum rules competing products must be referred to as "The Program Which Must Not Be Named"!!!
Good joke. What I should add to the joke is:
Logos must be referred to as "The Program Which Must be Named 24/7!"
Well.... seems like worshiping idols...
Ok, we all understand our dear brother is joking only.
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JimVanSchoonhoven said:
My opinion concerning the rules as applied to this post, I believe the rule really did not apply here, but the fact that you brought up the rule, caused more possible damage to Logos than what would have been done by letting a simple honest question run it's course!
Alas Jim, all I can do is read guidelines and try to apply them. I never said it did apply, I said it MAY apply. When Rosie questioned me, I answered that if the OP was OK with it, I was as well (Not that my opinion really matters). The forum guidelines
- Please do not use our forums to
- sell anything or link to anything you’re selling—including Logos products
- promote or link to competitors
- Please help others follow these guidelines. If the problems continue after you’ve given a gentle reminder of these expectations, please click “Report Abuse” under “More” or send an email to forums@logos.com.
Promote or LINK to our competitors.
Please help other follow these guidelines.
Gentle reminder
My original post tried to take into account the wishes of Logos.
But, you may not be referring to my original post, you may be referring to the post in which I quoted Harry Potter movies in an attempt at humor. Taking about software "Which must not be named" and referencing how many have been referring to BibleWorks.
Either way, I give up. Gentle offends, humor offends.
Such is life.
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Terry Poperszky said:Rosie Perera said:
I think it was an innocent question not designed to give business to a competitor, and sort of necessary in order to ask the question "Could you provide this resource here in Logos?" Just like when people link to amazon.com for hard copy books they'd like to see in Logos.
Rosie, you are probably correct. I was not judging, I was simply making a statement and then pointing the person to the rules of the forum. If they don't feel they are impinging on them, as far as I am concerned the matter is over.
May I ask how you would have worded it? Or do you think that I should not have brought the matter up at all?
Hi Terry, I wouldn't have changed a thing. I think you worded it fine and were right to bring it up. That's part of dialogue. I was just responding, with a possible exemption from the rule for the OP in this particular instance, which is the other half of dialogue. I think the dialogue went in a good direction from there. Hope you're OK with it. I wasn't offended, nor was I judging you nor charging you with judging. Blessings and peace.
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Bill, oops, & sorry. Thought you meant that WORDsearch had already had an exclusive deal for 7 years. I didn't even think about the possibility that you may have meant for the next 7 years going forward - which you did. My bad. I apologize.Bill Shewmaker said:Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.
Still, it would be nice to see it in Logos.[;)]
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Terry! You kidder - you!Terry Poperszky said:Please see my post where I said I made it up
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Stein Dahl said:
Bill, oops, & sorry. Thought you meant that WORDsearch had already had an exclusive deal for 7 years. I didn't even think about the possibility that you may have meant for the next 7 years going forward - which you did. My bad. I apologize.Bill Shewmaker said:Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.
Still, it would be nice to see it in Logos.
Stein, thanks, but no apology necessary. And, I agree. It would be nice to have in Logos.
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Over the years I have owned two sets of the "Complete Biblical Library" in hardback. It is a fine reference set but is surpassed in every feature by Logos software capabilities. I sold my hardback sets.
The New Testament set was first handled by World Library Press. My second set had a different publisher but I cannot remember who it was.
The current software release is an exclusive as Bill has previously posted. I don't know the duration of the aggreement but it will certainly be a while before it would become available in Logos format. Still, I don't see the need for redundant (and slightly inferior) works.
Everybody knows my sentiments on posting competitor's ads on the Logos forum. I warned everybody if they kept it up Logos would eventually impose forum rules. I was right. I just hope everybody will read those rules closely. There is no exemption clause and no exempted class. We should respect the rules. (Yes, I know I have to be chastised every now & then. I'm working on breaking my bad habits. [:#] )
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The original poster did not break any rules. This is a suggestion forum. There is a resource he likes which he is suggesting to be in Logos. That is not breaking any forum rules. Any resource suggested is already published by someone. Suggesting that it be part of Logos is what the suggestion forum is all about. The reason why this has exploded is because someone jumped on the original suggestion and that was premature and not correct since no rule was broken.
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Is there a forum 'police' academy one has to attend in order to carry a firearm? [8o|]
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MarkSwaim said:
The original poster did not break any rules
Yes he DID break the rule but the post was graciously editted.
Read the forum rules one more time. I did not write them. But they exist because many posters did not bother trying to understand the consequences of posting links.
[8] Story time! [8] [:P] When my missionary parents were traveling across the USA in the 1960's my father had to ask the Highway Patrolman in Wyoming what the speed limit was because we never saw any posted. The patrolman answered, "No limit. Just drive at a safe speed." My father asked, "What is a safe speed?" The officer replied, "If you have a wreck, you were not driving a safe speed." Wyoming now has posted speed limits to protect careless drivers from doing damage to themselves and others.
Moral of the story: We went from no rules on the forum to moderate rules. If we can not practice a little "Self-Government with Union" (to borrow a phrase from Foundation for American Christain Eductation; see http://www.logos.com/products/details/3525 ) we may see stricter enforcement of the rules from outside of ourselves. Nobody appointed me a forum cop. The nifty star under my name is NOT a Sheriff badge. I just hope everybody reads the rules LOGOS imposed and abides by the spirit they were given in.
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Matthew C Jones said:MarkSwaim said:
The original poster did not break any rules
Yes he DID break the rule but the post was graciously editted.
Read the forum rules one more time. I did not write them. But they exist because many posters did not bother trying to understand the consequences of posting links.
Story time! 
When my missionary parents were traveling across the USA in the 1960's my father had to ask the Highway Patrolman in Wyoming what the speed limit was because we never saw any posted. The patrolman answered, "No limit. Just drive at a safe speed." My father asked, "What is a safe speed?" The officer replied, "If you have a wreck, you were not driving a safe speed." Wyoming now has posted speed limits to protect careless drivers from doing damage to themselves and others.Moral of the story: We went from no rules on the forum to moderate rules. If we can not practice a little "Self-Government with Union" (to borrow a phrase from Foundation for American Christain Eductation; see http://www.logos.com/products/details/3525 ) we may see stricter enforcement of the rules from outside of ourselves. Nobody appointed me a forum cop. The nifty star under my name is NOT a Sheriff badge. I just hope everybody reads the rules LOGOS imposed and abides by the spirit they were given in.
Matthew,
Here's my story. I worked in a women's state correctional facility for three years. My job was to enforce the rules. I only lasted three years because enforcing rules made me unpopular with the residents and also with my counterparts since I enforced them more to the letter than to the spirit in which they were written. Other officers were more leniant, offered copious instances of good will, had longer careers and even the residents liked them.
I would prefer to see enforcement from "outside ourselves" as you stated and for obvious reasons because IMO, the one who wrote them is ultimately responsible to enforce them. But we were told to use gentle reminders first among ourselves. One way to do that that first comes to mind is to privately post a comment on someone's profile page; to me that is a gentle reminder. And it is how I would like to be treated.
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Matthew C Jones said:
Over the years I have owned two sets of the "Complete Biblical Library" in hardback. It is a fine reference set but is surpassed in every feature by Logos software capabilities. I sold my hardback sets.
The New Testament set was first handled by World Library Press. My second set had a different publisher but I cannot remember who it was.
The current software release is an exclusive as Bill has previously posted. I don't know the duration of the aggreement but it will certainly be a while before it would become available in Logos format. Still, I don't see the need for redundant (and slightly inferior) works.
Everybody knows my sentiments on posting competitor's ads on the Logos forum. I warned everybody if they kept it up Logos would eventually impose forum rules. I was right. I just hope everybody will read those rules closely. There is no exemption clause and no exempted class. We should respect the rules. (Yes, I know I have to be chastised every now & then. I'm working on breaking my bad habits.
)I also find that the Complete Biblical Library "not so good" comparing than what is offered here. So it might be the reason that they don't choose this platform that no one will purchase it. BUT, though its commentary might not be that good, its dictionary is excellent. I doubt that there are dictionaries here is the Logos that can be comparable to it (the closest I can think of is TDNT, but it includes the Greek only. And well, when I say excellent, I also consider the intended audiences. So, I am not comparing that to those most scholarly sets). And, its interlinear can also be useful. Though Lexham might have done a better job (I didn't make the comparison seriously), not every one own it. And this can also be a secondary reference if you own it.
Anyway, the discussion does not mean anything if it won't be included here. Thanks for everyone's sharing.
And thanks for everyone's reminder when I might have violate the rules.
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Matthew C Jones said:
Yes he DID break the rule but the post was graciously editted.
Read the forum rules one more time. I did not write them. But they exist because many posters did not bother trying to understand the consequences of posting links.
Matthew, thanks for sticking our head up and taking the flak. For a while there, I thought I was back in the pastorate.
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Joan Korte said:
I worked in a women's state correctional facility for three years
Personally, I always thought the forums were closer to a mental institution...(run by the inmates)
Joan Korte said:I would prefer to see enforcement from "outside ourselves" as you stated and for obvious reasons because IMO, the one who wrote them is ultimately responsible to enforce them.
If you can convince Logos, that is fine. But they PREFER us to police ourselves. Since it is their forums, their preference is the one that takes precedence.
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Terry,
I don't think Logos used the word "police" which carries with it a set of connotations. They did say:
"Please help others follow these guidelines. If the problems continue after you’ve given a gentle reminder of these expectations, please click “Report Abuse” under “More” or send an email to forums@logos.com."
Perhaps, help others and gentle reminder are within the realm of policing to some but not to me. After all, we are customers of Logos not deviants or felons who do need policing.
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Joan,
The problem you're gonna have is some want to enforce the rules by the letter of "intent" while others just want broad guidelines with lots of mercy thrown in for good measure. Anyone who "reminds" someone of the "intent" of the rules is going to rub the people who follow the broad outline of the rule the wrong way and seem overbearing at times.
I don't think anyone has tried to throw business to a competitor, but how can you suggest something you like in a competitor's product that you would like to see implemented in Logos, without offending the rule keepers? After all it is a suggestion thread.
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BobbyTerhune said:
I don't think anyone has tried to throw business to a competitor, but how can you suggest something you like in a competitor's product that you would like to see implemented in Logos, without offending the rule keepers? After all it is a suggestion thread
Bobby, since I was the "Rules Keeper" that spoke up, I will explain why I did. What I thought might have been a violation was the posting of a link. You can suggest something without the posting of the link, the OP recognized it and removed it. The rules/guidelines/suggestions from Logos asked us not to post links to competitors products. They didn't qualify it by saying don't post links to competitors products unless you want that competitors products included in Logos. Or don't post links to competitors products unless it is in the suggestion forum. It was a simple don't post links to competitor's products.
Now why you seem to feel that their intent was different from their request, I don't have a clue. But, we clearly disagree and that is allowed by the rules of the forum.
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Matthew C Jones said:
Wyoming now has posted speed limits to protect careless drivers from doing damage to themselves and others.
I cannot speak for Wyoming but Oregon was forced by the Federal Government to impose speed limits during the gasoline shortage (early 80?)
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Joan Korte said:
One way to do that that first comes to mind is to privately post a comment on someone's profile page; to me that is a gentle reminder. And it is how I would like to be treated.
While I prefer to let others do the policing, I think notes on a profile page are often overlooked (for months even). A gentle reminder on the thread not only reminds the poster in a place that is usually checked but also serves to remind the community as a whole that rules do exist. For newcomers this is often a revelation - one that helps them from falling into the same track. The education factor is far stronger than the correction factor.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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BobbyTerhune said:
The problem you're gonna have is some want to enforce the rules by the letter of "intent" while others just want broad guidelines with lots of mercy thrown in for good measure.
We have that problem theologically [:)] The rules are nothing but common forum courtesy; other forums I participate in have far fewer violations of courtesy. I suspect that is because they are more technically oriented so that participate generally already "know" the rules. Here it seems more like participants need to learn the rules - should reading the rules be a prerequisite for posting? Not practical so the Logos gentle reminder philosophy makes sense.
BobbyTerhune said:I don't think anyone has tried to throw business to a competitor
I beg to differ but will not name names.
BobbyTerhune said:but how can you suggest something you like in a competitor's product that you would like to see implemented in Logos, without offending the rule keepers? After all it is a suggestion thread.
I've never found that to be difficult. I describe the feature I like - I may mention that I've seen it in other software. I may identify the software in terms like "free software from the Vatican", "a Latin-Vulgate oriented product" ... I only name software when it is clearly outside Logos' domain such as Inspiration 9, a graphic organizer educational software package or Austhink's argument mapping package.
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