The Complete Biblical Library
I don't know if you have heard about that. It is a library that is tailored for layman. NT 16 volumes and OT 22 volumes. This set is famous for its dictionary on Greek and Hebrew (6 or them are Greek dictionary and 7 of them are Hebrew dictionary). The WordSearch has already published the NT set (link deleted).
And they said that they are going to publish the OT set early this year.
I like it a lot. And I would be glad if it is included in Logos, which is a much better software than WordSearch.
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I don't know if you have heard about that. It is a library that is tailored for layman. NT 16 volumes and OT 22 volumes. This set is famous for its dictionary on Greek and Hebrew (6 or them are Greek dictionary and 7 of them are Hebrew dictionary). The WordSearch has already published the NT set (link deleted).
And they said that they are going to publish the OT set early this year.
I like it a lot. And I would be glad if it is included in Logos, which is a much better software than WordSearch.
Actually, if I remember correctly, WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7 years.
Actually, if I remember correctly,
WORDsearch has an exclusive contract on this for at least 7
years.
The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.
STOPITSTOPITSTOPIT!
According to the forum rules competing products must be referred to as "The Program Which Must Not Be Named"!!!
You are going to far with this forum rules thing. As far as i am concerned - WordSearch![6]
Ted
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The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.
The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.
Thanks for the info but 7years exclusively to Wordsearch? I sure would love to see "The Complete Biblical Library" in Logos.
Ted
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Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.Bill, oops, & sorry. Thought you meant that WORDsearch had already had an exclusive deal for 7 years. I didn't even think about the possibility that you may have meant for the next 7 years going forward - which you did. My bad. I apologize.
Still, it would be nice to see it in Logos.[;)]
Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.Bill, oops, & sorry. Thought you meant that WORDsearch had already had an exclusive deal for 7 years. I didn't even think about the possibility that you may have meant for the next 7 years going forward - which you did. My bad. I apologize.Still, it would be nice to see it in Logos.
Stein, thanks, but no apology necessary. And, I agree. It would be nice to have in Logos.
Over the years I have owned two sets of the "Complete Biblical Library" in hardback. It is a fine reference set but is surpassed in every feature by Logos software capabilities. I sold my hardback sets.
The New Testament set was first handled by World Library Press. My second set had a different publisher but I cannot remember who it was.
The current software release is an exclusive as Bill has previously posted. I don't know the duration of the aggreement but it will certainly be a while before it would become available in Logos format. Still, I don't see the need for redundant (and slightly inferior) works.
Everybody knows my sentiments on posting competitor's ads on the Logos forum. I warned everybody if they kept it up Logos would eventually impose forum rules. I was right. I just hope everybody will read those rules closely. There is no exemption clause and no exempted class. We should respect the rules. (Yes, I know I have to be chastised every now & then. I'm working on breaking my bad habits. [:#] )
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The original poster did not break any rules. This is a suggestion forum. There is a resource he likes which he is suggesting to be in Logos. That is not breaking any forum rules. Any resource suggested is already published by someone. Suggesting that it be part of Logos is what the suggestion forum is all about. The reason why this has exploded is because someone jumped on the original suggestion and that was premature and not correct since no rule was broken.
The original poster did not break any rules
Yes he DID break the rule but the post was graciously editted.
Read the forum rules one more time. I did not write them. But they exist because many posters did not bother trying to understand the consequences of posting links.
[8] Story time! [8] [:P] When my missionary parents were traveling across the USA in the 1960's my father had to ask the Highway Patrolman in Wyoming what the speed limit was because we never saw any posted. The patrolman answered, "No limit. Just drive at a safe speed." My father asked, "What is a safe speed?" The officer replied, "If you have a wreck, you were not driving a safe speed." Wyoming now has posted speed limits to protect careless drivers from doing damage to themselves and others.
Moral of the story: We went from no rules on the forum to moderate rules. If we can not practice a little "Self-Government with Union" (to borrow a phrase from Foundation for American Christain Eductation; see http://www.logos.com/products/details/3525 ) we may see stricter enforcement of the rules from outside of ourselves. Nobody appointed me a forum cop. The nifty star under my name is NOT a Sheriff badge. I just hope everybody reads the rules LOGOS imposed and abides by the spirit they were given in.
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The original poster did not break any rulesYes he DID break the rule but the post was graciously editted.
Read the forum rules one more time. I did not write them. But they exist because many posters did not bother trying to understand the consequences of posting links.
Story time!
When my missionary parents were traveling across the USA in the 1960's my father had to ask the Highway Patrolman in Wyoming what the speed limit was because we never saw any posted. The patrolman answered, "No limit. Just drive at a safe speed." My father asked, "What is a safe speed?" The officer replied, "If you have a wreck, you were not driving a safe speed." Wyoming now has posted speed limits to protect careless drivers from doing damage to themselves and others.
Moral of the story: We went from no rules on the forum to moderate rules. If we can not practice a little "Self-Government with Union" (to borrow a phrase from Foundation for American Christain Eductation; see http://www.logos.com/products/details/3525 ) we may see stricter enforcement of the rules from outside of ourselves. Nobody appointed me a forum cop. The nifty star under my name is NOT a Sheriff badge. I just hope everybody reads the rules LOGOS imposed and abides by the spirit they were given in.
Matthew,
Here's my story. I worked in a women's state correctional facility for three years. My job was to enforce the rules. I only lasted three years because enforcing rules made me unpopular with the residents and also with my counterparts since I enforced them more to the letter than to the spirit in which they were written. Other officers were more leniant, offered copious instances of good will, had longer careers and even the residents liked them.
I would prefer to see enforcement from "outside ourselves" as you stated and for obvious reasons because IMO, the one who wrote them is ultimately responsible to enforce them. But we were told to use gentle reminders first among ourselves. One way to do that that first comes to mind is to privately post a comment on someone's profile page; to me that is a gentle reminder. And it is how I would like to be treated.
I worked in a women's state correctional facility for three years
Personally, I always thought the forums were closer to a mental institution...(run by the inmates)
I would prefer to see enforcement from "outside ourselves" as you stated and for obvious reasons because IMO, the one who wrote them is ultimately responsible to enforce them.
If you can convince Logos, that is fine. But they PREFER us to police ourselves. Since it is their forums, their preference is the one that takes precedence.
Terry,
I don't think Logos used the word "police" which carries with it a set of connotations. They did say:
"Please help others follow these guidelines. If the problems continue after you’ve given a gentle reminder of these expectations, please click “Report Abuse” under “More” or send an email to forums@logos.com."
Perhaps, help others and gentle reminder are within the realm of policing to some but not to me. After all, we are customers of Logos not deviants or felons who do need policing.
Joan,
The problem you're gonna have is some want to enforce the rules by the letter of "intent" while others just want broad guidelines with lots of mercy thrown in for good measure. Anyone who "reminds" someone of the "intent" of the rules is going to rub the people who follow the broad outline of the rule the wrong way and seem overbearing at times.
I don't think anyone has tried to throw business to a competitor, but how can you suggest something you like in a competitor's product that you would like to see implemented in Logos, without offending the rule keepers? After all it is a suggestion thread.
I don't think anyone has tried to throw business to a competitor, but how can you suggest something you like in a competitor's product that you would like to see implemented in Logos, without offending the rule keepers? After all it is a suggestion thread
Bobby, since I was the "Rules Keeper" that spoke up, I will explain why I did. What I thought might have been a violation was the posting of a link. You can suggest something without the posting of the link, the OP recognized it and removed it. The rules/guidelines/suggestions from Logos asked us not to post links to competitors products. They didn't qualify it by saying don't post links to competitors products unless you want that competitors products included in Logos. Or don't post links to competitors products unless it is in the suggestion forum. It was a simple don't post links to competitor's products.
Now why you seem to feel that their intent was different from their request, I don't have a clue. But, we clearly disagree and that is allowed by the rules of the forum.
The Program Which Must Not Be Named only started offering the "The Complete Biblical Library" a couple of months ago - so there is no way that they have had an exclusive deal with the publishers for 7 years.Stein, I was at a Convention back in November and they were selling it there with the statement that they had exclusive rights to "epublish"...and if I recall correctly, it would be for at least 7 years, maybe more, from that point.
Revisiting this thread from 9 years later, hoping that the esclusivity has ended. But I still wonder how to find the publisher to contact Logos about this. At the very least I hope they can try putting it in pre-pub and see if people has any "gathering interest".
I agree. I own the The Complete Library NT in book format (a treasure to have) and I kick myself for not having bought the OT when they had it (the complete set was about $700.00 10-14 years ago). Now the competitor has it for $1500.00 in software format which, in my opinion is high robbery to say the least.
If Logos would get their hands on, I would buy both with my eyes closed as long as they make it affordable, but since Mac for Logos is taking such a long time to come out, (I had to say it, sorry!), I don't see it as a real possibility in the future, but I would love to be "dead wrong." [;)]
I agree. I own the The Complete Library NT in book format (a treasure to have) and I kick myself for not having bought the OT when they had it (the complete set was about $700.00 10-14 years ago). Now the competitor has it for $1500.00 in software format which, in my opinion is high robbery to say the least.
I bought it and it was not retail.... they often have sales, I have little with them.
-Dan
I think I was wrong! I finally find one thing that has the same function with the Dictionary of the "Complete Biblical Library":
New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (4 Vols.)
and
New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis
(5 Vols.)
These two are produced in one consistent set (as the Complete Biblical Library does) including both NT and OT. And, when I compare the way they explain the word, it is pretty much the same (but these two are more lengthy, thoroughly)
Please see if you agree with me too. I would buy these two sets if it is really better than the Complete Biblical Library.
Thanks.
I met Brother Gilbrant as a grad student in Springfield MO. In 1987 I was a freelance editor producing the 1st English volume of CBL-- The Commentary on Acts. Tor Inge had a major hard drive crash and much time was lost. After receiving my M.Div., Brother Gilbrant hired me full time and I added a more extensive critical apparatus in the Commentaries and then became Managing Editor of the 5 volumes of the Greek/English Dictionary. Later I composed Vol. 17--The Greek Grammar/Index.
Mr. Gilbrant was a genius and added many features at the last minute, such as the cross references to TDNT, Strongs, Bauer, etc in the Dictionaries. As I explained the amount of research, proofreading/editing man-hour with a projected cost, as was his custom, he waved off the details and simply said these aspects were vital and Just do whatever is necessary. I loved that man.
At one point in about 1990, he was living in his small apartment in Springfield and was quite discouraged--which was not typical. The Lord brought to my mind a prophetic word spoken to me in 1981. The Lord said I would have opportunity to study His word (seminary) and that the ministry He was preparing me for would "not reach hundreds, or thousands, or even tens of thousands. The work I have called you into will reach hundreds of thousands..."
Upon hearing this testimony, Brother Gilbrant leaped off of his recliner and became very excited and animated. The Holy Spirit reinvigorated him and poured a fresh zeal and hope into his heart. I shall never forget that day, and dozens like it when we in Springfield were graced by his visits. I am happy to report that he was extremely pleased with the English version of his CBL.
If you have any information about Tor Inge, please let me know. Your brother in Christ--Denis Vinyard
It seems to me that Logos already has all those functions (greek/hebrew lexicons, interlinears, word study analysis, etc). What features in particular do you like that Logos doesn't have?
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As I have said, its dictionary is the most famous function of the library. For example, in the NT, all Greek lexicons is given a definition, cognate relation, and synonym. And after that, the background of classical Greek usage, Septuagint usage, and New Testament usage are explained. This feature has a good repertoire since these 3 are the basics to understand how the people on those days use it. While the TDNT seems to have similar functions, the dictionary in this library seems better for layman. And finally, concerning about the dictionary, this library is the only dictionary that include the NT and OT lexicons. e.g. TDNT might be very good in these aspects too, but it doesn't include the OT on its own (as far as I know, it is). So, the complete Biblical Library is the only one that contain both NT and OT and has such features (cognate, synonym, classical, Septuagint, NT usage...) The only bad thing of this dictionary is that it use its own numbering system. But in Logos, I believe that it can be easily linked to any other numbering system that compensate the only cons of it.
And for the interlinear, of course we have a lot here. But different versions is different. We wouldn't say having one of them (let's say, Lexham) would be enough. The same for the commentary and the harmony of Gospel. Also, there is a book on Greek Grammar too. For the commentary, I don't think it is comparable to, say, Baker, Zondervan, etc. But it is good to see how another group of scholars view the Bible (which is still evangelists).
I own the printed NT, but never get an OT. It will be very great to have both included in Logos (instead of WordSearch, well, I don't use WordSearch, and I believe that Logos is much better in handling libraries then WordSearch).
Yes, I took a look at the video demo, and it looks like this would be very nice for laypeople to have all of these things in one resource -- easier to use than across the multiple resources in Logos. But it sounds like this resource is a WordSearch proprietary product (they say "exclusively available [for] WordSearch" in their advertising materials), so I doubt they would be willing to license it to Logos, which is a competitor of theirs.
I have asked the staff in WordSearch through email, and he said, "I do not know if we are the only ones to have it."
Well, hopefully not. I like the complete biblical library and the Logos. It will be great if they "marry" with each other.
By the way, the bad thing is that the publisher or any of the editors of the Complete Biblical Library are very very very difficult to contact. I put a lot of effort to be able to contact one of the editor, but he said that he don't know how to redirect this suggestion to the publisher or the main editor as well.
So, if any has a method to make the suggestion to the World Library Press, Inc. (1992) or the International Editor Thoralf Gilbrant, that will be great.
By the way, the commentary in the Complete Biblical Library is not so good, but the dictionary are really great.
If it's the one published by Gospel Publishing House then it is Penticostal. Many of the writings were writen by Stanley M Horton. But it will be good for anyone - Penticostals are evangelica. I don't want to have to put two big bible progragrams on my computer myself - I wish they would hurry up and put the collection in print.
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the complete biblical libary from world press has pulled a lot together like a simple fast over view it is nice to have you would have to see it to get the idea what is there. It is nice
I am translator of the Bible from Greece. If there is someone who has The complete biblical library of WordSearch, and he/she would be so kind to grant me for free a copy of the Program, I would appreciate it very much.
Thank you.
Spyros Karalis
I am a translator of the Bible from Greece.
I am interested about The Complete Biblical Library. Ι would be very grateful if you could give me a DVD for free, gratis?
Spyridon Karalis
If someone would accept this request, please send me an e-mail: haghios@yahoo.gr
Thank you
Spyros Karalis
I am a translator of the Bible from Greece.
I am interested about The Complete Biblical Library. Ι would be very grateful if you could give me a DVD for free, gratis?
Spyridon Karalis
The Complete Biblical Library is not a Logos product. Maybe you should post on the WordSearch forum. It is also still under copyright so you should ask WordSearch for a free license. If they deem your project of translating from the Koine Greek into Modern Greek worthy of a free license, they may donate a copy to your efforts. Otherwise it sounds like you are asking for a pirated copy.
Logos has asked that their forums not be used to conduct business transactions or to post things unrelated to using Logos software. Thank you for your efforts in Bible translation. [C]
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