Logos and Verbum
What is the relationship between these two programs? I have had Logos. I am interested in things Catholic and noticed I could download Verbum 7 for free. I did, and I didn't see anything different, so I figured they were incorporated into one. Today I noticed the Verbum icon on my desktop, clicked it, and it's been downloading for hours. These can't all be unique resources to Verbum. Am I getting duplicate resources? I got the impression that in Verbum, the passage guide includes more features.
How can I get the most out of each program? Can the features of one be used in the other?
Thank you
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The engines (software) is virtually identical. For most users, they should choose one and stick with it. Having both does mean 2x storage space taken, so yes, you are downloading duplicate notes & resources.
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Others can give you a bit more detail...
1) Both Logos and Verbum share the same library. You will have the same books and datasets with both programs.
2) If you have the appropriate license - which obviously you do, you can make Logos look and work as Verbum by putting "Set Verbum to Yes" in the command box.
3) In Logos mode, it defaults to the Protestant canon. In Verbum mode it defaults to the canon defined at Trent. I believe it integrates a bit of Saints days, but have not really looked into it.
While hard drive space is cheap nowadays, I personally see no reason to have my library downloaded twice, and having to index twice, etc. Personally I would uninstall Verbum and play around in Logos in Verbum mode for when I want Verbum.
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Verbum and Logos do not share files so you may have both installed on your system.... you could manually copy over the resources into the new verbum folder....
-dan
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I would think that Logos and Verbum would want to make all the features accessible for both programs.
I have maybe 20,000 books in Logos. Are they going to download all of them again? They must be smarter than that.
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I'm interested in being able to switch back and forth. I'm not clear on how to do that.
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Larry Craig said:
I'm interested in being able to switch back and forth. I'm not clear on how to do that.
Ken explained:
Ken McGuire said:you can make Logos look and work as Verbum by putting "Set Verbum to Yes"
The reverse would be "No"
Larry Craig said:I would think that Logos and Verbum would want to make all the features accessible for both programs.
Verbum is intended for a Catholic audience. Not all users would appreciate those features.
Larry Craig said:I have maybe 20,000 books in Logos. Are they going to download all of them again? They must be smarter than that.
It isn't intended for users to install both apps... although some users do so.
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I don't understand how to switch back and forth
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Larry Craig said:
I don't understand how to switch back and forth
I(n the Command Box type, "Set Verbum" the dropdown should then look like this
Clicking the appropriate command (tool) should switch you from one to the other
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Larry Craig said:
I don't understand how to switch back and forth
In the command bar, next to tools enter Set Verbum to Yes.
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thank you
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I have Logos by default, but also bought Verbum basic for free for some of the resources / features that came with it. However, I've not yet actively used Verbum instead of Logos. By this thread I figured out that we can set Verbum to Yes.
My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?
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my situation exactly
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Michel Pauw said:
I have Logos by default, but also bought Verbum basic for free for some of the resources / features that came with it. However, I've not yet actively used Verbum instead of Logos. By this thread I figured out that we can set Verbum to Yes.
My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?
Some of the differences include the use of an extended Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon, the ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint, the default out of the box resource proprieties change eg Catholic bible's and lectionaries have higher priority - but if you have set your own priorities these won't be overridden by switching to Verbum, Three built in collections - one relating to CCC, one to church documents, and the third eludes me right now, the passage guide includes a catholic topical index section. These are the main ones I can think of besides the obvious change of the Program logo.
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thank you
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so I lose nothing but gain a little something by using Verbum?
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Michel Pauw said:
My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?
Not much.
- The default priorities of a few resources are adjusted (you can recreate this yourself).
- A couple of system collections are made available (you can recreate this yourself).
- The default guide templates look a little different (you can recreate this using your own custom templates).
- There's a slightly different list of resources that download by default before starting the application on a fresh install.
- Some URLs in the application point to verbum.com instead of logos.com.
- An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
- The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)
There's probably a couple other items I'm not remembering, but not much of significance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I would only add that although i have Logos, The verbum training videos are second to none.
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Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.
I still object to this being anything other than a setting. Many of us own both Logos & Verbum because our work requires us to deal with both user communities OR because our particular interests are best served by having both. The problem that currently exists is that the contents of a saved guide changes if you open a Logos Guide in Verbum - the unsupported sections are dropped so that when you open it again in Logos the additional Logos sections are lost. Not a good implementation. Having a single application with default behavior handled by a setting is the better approach as it minimizes the likelihood of this sort of mistep.
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MJ. Smith said:
Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.
I still object to this being anything other than a setting. Many of us own both Logos & Verbum because our work requires us to deal with both user communities OR because our particular interests are best served by having both. The problem that currently exists is that the contents of a saved guide changes if you open a Logos Guide in Verbum - the unsupported sections are dropped so that when you open it again in Logos the additional Logos sections are lost. Not a good implementation. Having a single application with default behavior handled by a setting is the better approach as it minimizes the likelihood of this sort of mistep.
[Y] I’d vote for a single application where each of the enumerated differences are an independent setting.
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I agree.
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MJ. Smith said:
The problem that currently exists is that the contents of a saved guide changes if you open a Logos Guide in Verbum - the unsupported sections are dropped so that when you open it again in Logos the additional Logos sections are lost. Not a good implementation.
I agree with you that this behavior is incorrect. I'll make a note to do a quick check on this Monday.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.
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SineNomine said:
All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.
Do you mean while running the Verbum program, or while running Logos with "set verbum to yes"?
Where does it show up?
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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SineNomine said:
All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.
Do you mean while running the Verbum program, or while running Logos with "set verbum to yes"?
Where does it show up?
The actual Verbum program, and it shows up in the taskbar.
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SineNomine said:SineNomine said:
All that bugs me is that the word "Logos" still shows up sometimes while Verbum is loading.
Do you mean while running the Verbum program, or while running Logos with "set verbum to yes"?
Where does it show up?
The actual Verbum program, and it shows up in the taskbar.
I tried this for the first time, and in Logos 8. "Set Verbum to Yes." Splash screen still shows Logos 8, taskbar icon still Logos and upper left corner of Software window still shows "Logos Bible Software."
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Friedrich said:
I tried this for the first time, and in Logos 8. "Set Verbum to Yes." Splash screen still shows Logos 8, taskbar icon still Logos and upper left corner of Software window still shows "Logos Bible Software."
This is the expected behaviour, because you are still running Logos.
See this thread for recent discussion: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173968/1004654.aspx#1004654
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Friedrich said:
I tried this for the first time, and in Logos 8. "Set Verbum to Yes." Splash screen still shows Logos 8, taskbar icon still Logos and upper left corner of Software window still shows "Logos Bible Software."
This is the expected behaviour, because you are still running Logos.
See this thread for recent discussion: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173968/1004654.aspx#1004654
Thanks, Bradley.
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Michel Pauw said:
My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?
Not much.
- The default priorities of a few resources are adjusted (you can recreate this yourself).
- A couple of system collections are made available (you can recreate this yourself).
- The default guide templates look a little different (you can recreate this using your own custom templates).
- There's a slightly different list of resources that download by default before starting the application on a fresh install.
- Some URLs in the application point to verbum.com instead of logos.com.
- An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
- The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)
There's probably a couple other items I'm not remembering, but not much of significance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.
I don't do Verbum but I'd think it would be fun to have a Saint of the day option to read about... maybe that is just me though
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I switched to verbum, because there were more book advertisements than in Logos. I don't know why. It seems everything in Logos is in Verbum but not the other way around. If I'm wrong, I hope somebody corrects me.
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Larry Craig said:
It seems everything in Logos is in Verbum but not the other way around. If I'm wrong, I hope somebody corrects me.
Logos has some passage guide sections to external sites that are not in Verbum. The new Help cards are not in Verbum.
Verbum has some default collections that are not in Logos.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.
I don't understand why they wouldn't keep them more uniform. Verbum users wouldn't be interested in these external sites? I got my masters at Loyola University. Biblical studies was not considered a parochial matter. And Verbum users don't need help?
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Larry Craig said:
I don't understand why they wouldn't keep them more uniform.
Neither do I. But, trust me, you don't want my opinion ... far too long and detailed. Let's just say I usually turn to belief-revision logic to discuss the issues. I understand why Faithlife maintains two product lines but I believe that FL erroneously believes that there is a definable line between the two groups of users. There is not - there is a continuum. FL could cut costs by keeping the underlying code uniform and recognizing the continuum.
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If your opinion is in written form, one can usually scan it and find the important stuff. In oral form, it can be hard to keep one's attention.
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Larry Craig said:
If your opinion is in written form . . .
It is more a matter of language as I discovered when trying to explain to a Christian Scientist why an anthropology class was using Christian Science as an example for the life-cycle of a cult. She couldn't get past her own negative associations with the word "cult" to understand the neutral anthropological definition that assumes all religions begin as a cult.
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- An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
- The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)
As support for the fact that the churches/users are a continuum without a fixed dividing line:
- Technically both the Anglicans and the Lutherans support larger canons as well - the degree to which this occurs in practice depends upon the country, language, and individual church. The Orthodox canons are generally larger than the Catholic.
- Saints of the Day are also a feature of the Anglicans, Lutherans, some Presbyterians, some Methodists, all flavors of Orthodox ...
In software design, failure to recognize the continuum has resulted in more work and a less useful product.
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MJ. Smith said:
She couldn't get past her own negative associations with the word "cult" to understand the neutral anthropological definition that assumes all religions begin as a cult.
Sitting here laughing at the situation. I can imagine it happening within my own denomination.
We could do with a symbol to be used next to a word such as "cult" to signify that it was being used in a technical, non-pejorative sense.
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