Two of the Same Resource Open at Once

I would like to have two panels open with the same resource -- the NASB translation -- where they operate independently. That is, I can manipulate visual filters, etc, on one Bible and have it not affect the other.

So far I am unable to do this, even with the Bibles in different link sets.

Any suggestions? Thanks!

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Brad

Alexander, I'm experiencing the same behavior you described. I can open two panels of NASB95, and can navigate independently to different passages when the panels are not in the same link set. However, any visual filter applied to one NASB95 panel affects both NASB95 panels. That doesn't help you find a solution, but at least it confirms your findings.

James Taylor

I can manipulate visual filters, etc, on one Bible and have it not affect the other.

No, the software doesn't have this capability. The closest thing to this is to use two different translations which are fairly similar to one another and apply a filter to one but not the other

AF69

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915167#Comment_915167

Yea, I even tried to make a duplicate copy of the NASB (renaming the copy NASB95v2) in my resources folder on my hard disk.

Logos automatically deleted the copied resource upon startup. Oh well. Hopefully this can get fixed/updated soon.

David Thomas

Yes, You can have 2 panels of the same resource (see pic - 2 copies of ESV; 1 with linked set in top middle, 1 unlinked for looking up verses without losing my place in the lower right.) but the visual filter DOES apply to both panels.

I just open the resource and drag to the pane or panel (or whatever the official label is).

NOTE: This is a saved layout that I've used for a few years. If I float the unlinked panel then dock it, it doesn't go back to the position. But it is always in the lower right whenever I open the saved layout.

Simon’s Brother

I would like to have two panels open with the same resource -- the NASB translation -- where they operate independently. That is, I can manipulate visual filters, etc, on one Bible and have it not affect the other.

So far I am unable to do this, even with the Bibles in different link sets.

Any suggestions? Thanks!

Alexander while you can open multiple instances (copies) of the same resource within Logos each copy will retain the same visual filter settings. These settings would be attached to the resource it self which would have the same id regardless of how many times you have it open within your workspace. Personally I think this is a good thing as the visual filters menu maintains a lot of options and I would not want to have to set these up every time I opened a resource if my preference was different to the default settings. Have a look at the Visual Filters drop down menu and look at how many options there are and think about how you can control which reading plans, note files - personal and community, etc are visible through visual filters.

But I totally get where you are coming from with wanting to be able to have some settings that come under visual filters set up differently when you have two copies of the same resource open. Sometime in the future if this can be achieved without loosing our default preferences we have already set up for a resource under the visual filters menu at times I can see it would be useful in some instances to be able to open a couple copies of the same bible text and in one window say have the Discourse Features turned on, and then in the second window have only the propositional outlines turned on and in a third window maybe say have the speaker and addressee labels visible. Having all of these on in the one window can be information overload. For now I just have to make a mental image ( or screen shot if need be) and then switch the settings in these sort of scenarios.

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915182#Comment_915182

but the visual filter DOES apply to both panels.

yes, that's what the OP was trying to avoid, he knew that you can have two open, he just wanted to only see visual filters on one copy and the other copy without the filter

AF69

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915185#Comment_915185

I also wonder why my trick of making a copy of the NASB in my resources folder on my hard disk -- and renaming it something else so i effectively have two of the same resource with slightly different names -- didn't work. My library still only showed one NASB and as I said before, the copied version was deleted upon Logos startup.

If this had worked, it would have been a great fix.

Bob, I like your layout. How did you organize your commentaries like that, and can I ask which ones are in which category?

Thanks!

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915213#Comment_915213

I also wonder why my trick of making a copy of the NASB in my resources folder on my hard disk -- and renaming it something else so i effectively have two of the same resource with slightly different names -- didn't work. My library still only showed one NASB and as I said before, the copied version was deleted upon Logos startup.

I assume due to the checks run to ensure we are only using resources to which we have licences.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915214#Comment_915214

I also wonder why my trick of making a copy of the NASB in my resources folder on my hard disk -- and renaming it something else so i effectively have two of the same resource with slightly different names -- didn't work. My library still only showed one NASB and as I said before, the copied version was deleted upon Logos startup.

I assume due to the checks run to ensure we are only using resources to which we have licences.

Making a copy of the file on your computer and renaming it will not work Alexander because the Logos program would still see it as exactly the same resource as the program identifies the resource file by its internal id number and not by its file name.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

I would like to have two panels open with the same resource -- the NASB translation -- where they operate independently. That is, I can manipulate visual filters, etc, on one Bible and have it not affect the other.

One option is NASB open in a tab with visual filters plus another Bible open (e.g. ASV) with Multi-View (NASB as secondary) that has visual filters unchecked so one NASB text has visual filter highlighting while the other does not:

Keep Smiling [:)]

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915271#Comment_915271

One option is NASB open in a tab with visual filters plus another Bible open (e.g. ASV) with Multi-View (NASB as secondary) that has visual filters unchecked so one NASB text has visual filter highlighting while the other does not:

Brilliant work-around!

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915273#Comment_915273

One option is NASB open in a tab with visual filters plus another Bible open (e.g. ASV) with Multi-View (NASB as secondary) that has visual filters unchecked so one NASB text has visual filter highlighting while the other does not:

Brilliant work-around!

[Y]

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915273#Comment_915273

Brilliant work-around!

[Y]

David Thomas

I would like to have two panels open with the same resource -- the NASB translation -- where they operate independently

To those who have engaged in other threads you're about to drop your socks. If it is the NASB that you want to control independently in various panels, this WILL BE POSSIBLE when both paragraphed and non-paragraphed editions of the same translation become available. This would also be possible in other translations with editions that are very similar (e.g. NIV84/NIV; HCSB/CSB; KJV/AV/Cambridge Paragraph AV).

In the meantime, I like KS4J's work around!

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915213#Comment_915213

Bob, I like your layout. How did you organize your commentaries like that, and can I ask which ones are in which category?

I'm not "Bob" so if you were posting to another user, I apologize for inserting myself. But as I look over the thread, I'm the only one who had posted a picture of my layout at this point (KS4J later posted a clip of the brilliant multi-view solution)

IF I am the one you to which you were addressing this question, you can find my explanation about the 6th post from the top in this thread http://community.logos.com/forums/p/73828/514992.aspx#514992

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915271#Comment_915271

A good workaround.

I would like to have two panels open with the same resource -- the NASB translation -- where they operate independently. That is, I can manipulate visual filters, etc, on one Bible and have it not affect the other.

One option is NASB open in a tab with visual filters plus another Bible open (e.g. ASV) with Multi-View (NASB as secondary) that has visual filters unchecked so one NASB text has visual filter highlighting while the other does not:

Keep Smiling

Rick Ausdahl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915271#Comment_915271

I would like to have two panels open with the same resource -- the NASB translation -- where they operate independently. That is, I can manipulate visual filters, etc, on one Bible and have it not affect the other.

One option is NASB open in a tab with visual filters plus another Bible open (e.g. ASV) with Multi-View (NASB as secondary) that has visual filters unchecked so one NASB text has visual filter highlighting while the other does not:

Keep Smiling

Agreed that this is a great work-around. Thanks for sharing! But it leaves me wondering ...IF Faithlife can set this up so that the filters don't show up in the multiview tab, shouldn't it be fairly easy to provide the same option if opening a second occurrence of a resource in its own tab?

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915369#Comment_915369

Agreed that this is a great work-around. Thanks for sharing! But it leaves me wondering ...IF Faithlife can set this up so that the filters don't show up in the multiview tab, shouldn't it be fairly easy to provide the same option if opening a second occurrence of a resource in its own tab?

If it was that easy, we actually would have already implemented it quite a long time ago. Unfortunately, it's a harder problem than it appears.

AF69

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915388#Comment_915388

Andrew,

What about the idea of the option to temporarily create a local "copy" of the resource, with its own independent functions, and then any manipulation done on the "copy" can be merged with the "original" at the close of the resource, or the program.

I'm no programmer, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

Alex

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/915391#Comment_915391

Andrew,

What about the idea of the option to temporarily create a local "copy" of the resource, with its own independent functions, and then any manipulation done on the "copy" can be merged with the "original" at the close of the resource, or the program.

I'm no programmer, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

Alex

There are a number of reasons why this is not feasible.