Help needed with a search

Besides figuring a Cascadia syntax search, is there another 'visual' way of conducting a search for this construction? (Both Accordance and BibleWorks have graphical search modules that are more user-friendly than using command line searches.)

Have you looked at the Morph Query Builder? (Introduced at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/130303.aspx)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918940#Comment_918940

Thank you, Graham. How did I miss this? Thanks for drawing my attention to it.

Unfortunately, as I am now trying to construct and run a search, I keep getting a server error.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918942#Comment_918942

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918942#Comment_918942

Thank you, Graham. How did I miss this? Thanks for drawing my attention to it.

You are welcome

Unfortunately, as I am now trying to construct and run a search, I keep getting a server error.

Use of this requires a Logos Now subscription. Just checking if you have one. Not sure if the lack of one would cause the problem you are seeing!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918942#Comment_918942

I keep getting a server error.

I did as well, I just kept closing it and retrying and eventually got it running. And as illustrated, there's an LXX too :-)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918944#Comment_918944

Not sure if the lack of one would cause the problem you are seeing!

Doubt it, I'm a NOW member and had the same issue simultaneously, but got it running

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918940#Comment_918940

the Morph Query Builder?

Thanks for illustrating, I kept getting different results than you, until I realize you added specifications for your segments to occur

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918946#Comment_918946

Just got it to run. That is very nice...

I did find that I can't use εγενετο as a surface search unless I add all the forms. (I just used a lemma aor indic 3 s of γινομαι)

Now, is there a way to graph results? Even if I just use a single morph resource, I'm not seeing a way to do so.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918940#Comment_918940

Something strange is happening in this filter...

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918952#Comment_918952

and here...

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918953#Comment_918953

That's an issue with using Swete's LXX, I think. It's versification doesn't always match up with the standard LXX (which doesn't always match up w/ Hebrew or English versions).

I was wondering why the search results were returning 2 set of responses for Swete and Swete's Alternative texts. Keep scrolling down to the 2nd set, and you'll see that the versification has been corrected/aligned to match with the usual standards.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918952#Comment_918952

Something strange is happening in this filter...

try REINDEX OTGRKSWETETXT and REINDEX OTGRKSWETEALT

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918954#Comment_918954

That's an issue with using Swete's LXX, I think. It's versification doesn't always match up with the standard LXX

I don't think so - versification differences are taken care of in Logos' exhaustive bible datatypes. From the picture it looks like Logos' search index is off by some positions against the surface text, so a resource reindex should help.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918952#Comment_918952

Something strange is happening in this filter...

Yes I saw this as well.

I'm running the search against all morph resources and getting two sets of results for both of the LXX resources.

One if returning correct information while the other isn't

Very strange - hopefully someone from Faithlife will see this and comment.

EDIT: I've just seen Mick's comment. I would normally expect a reindex to help but (I've tried on one of the resources) and it doesn't seem to one this occasion.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918954#Comment_918954

I was wondering why the search results were returning 2 set of responses for Swete and Swete's Alternative texts. Keep scrolling down to the 2nd set, and you'll see that the versification has been corrected/aligned to match with the usual standards.

Sorry Mark - I hadn't seen your comment before I said effectively the same thing later[:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918951#Comment_918951

Now, is there a way to graph results?

No, this is not currently possible.

It has been requested - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/140650.aspx - but I don't know if this is something Faithlife is planning to do

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918956#Comment_918956

It might be just something when working with the Morph Query. (And note that the Morph Query does not run on the other Logos LXX texts.)

When I look at the LXX in a normal text tab and enable multiple resources, Swete and Rahlf's and the NRSV (or other English text) line up correctly even though Swete's has the different versification.

Thanks again to all for you help. I'm glad I finally discovered the Morph Query!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/918959#Comment_918959

I was wondering why the search results were returning 2 set of responses for Swete and Swete's Alternative texts. Keep scrolling down to the 2nd set, and you'll see that the versification has been corrected/aligned to match with the usual standards.

Sorry Mark - I hadn't seen your comment before I said effectively the same thing later

This usually arises when there is an update to a resource and not everybody has the update, so the results are given for both versions. Run the query against a specific resource to avoid the issue.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919021#Comment_919021

This is the query I created for the Cascadia database if you're still interested in that side of things.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919032#Comment_919032

One thing is that this query only has 11 results. You originally said this construction happens a total of 21 times in the gospels. So, I'd probably need to compare that list of 21 with the 11 hits and look in Cascadia at the other 10 hits to add on to this query with the OR function. I just put this one together in a couple minutes to help start things off.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919033#Comment_919033

Thank you, Ryan! I see how you constructed your list. I also do not understand why it returned so few hits. It give Luke 9.29 but not 9.18 which appear to me to be identically constructed in Cascadia. It also misses all the ones that are εγενετο δε εν τω INF, but the Cascadia construction shouldn't be affected by that as far as I can tell.

The morph query looks like the way to go. The syntax search certainly appears to be a precise instrument, but it's awfully complicated and fussy.

Thanks again.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919021#Comment_919021

I was wondering why the search results were returning 2 set of responses for Swete and Swete's Alternative texts. Keep scrolling down to the 2nd set, and you'll see that the versification has been corrected/aligned to match with the usual standards.

Sorry Mark - I hadn't seen your comment before I said effectively the same thing later

This usually arises when there is an update to a resource and not everybody has the update, so the results are given for both versions. Run the query against a specific resource to avoid the issue.

Thanks Dave

Very helpful

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919035#Comment_919035

Mark can you tell me what hit is missing from this list?

Although syntax searching can be complex and difficult at times, I personally think it's amazing tool once learned well. I'm constantly trying to learn. So, if you could for me tell me which hit is missing (seems that I have 20 out of 21).

Opentext was definitely easier here because of the δέ. The pesky gap function in Cascadia doesn't work all that well.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919048#Comment_919048

Hi, Ryan. You must have changed your initial search a bit to get these expanded results. (I ran your initial one you posted and got 10.)

The two you are missting are Luke 11.1 and Acts 19.1.

Thanks again for sharing your expertise.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919069#Comment_919069

Yeah. I went to the Opentext database for the query. It's easier when you have words like δέ come into the picture (the gap function doesn't work well and Cascadia requires it).

Again, this is just for fun since the morph query is doing what you need. But, here is the final query to get all the hits.

Maybe this will help you for future searches where Syntax is the best way to go about it.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/919077#Comment_919077

Oh, my! I'm impressed! Yes, the Syntax search is powerful, but that's a lot of work.

Could you have gotten all the results without knowing the verses to see what you were looking for?

Thanks again!