way to make HALOT show transcriptions in original language fonts?
Often HALOT will list meanings in cognate languages for supporting the nuance argued for.
I have Ugaritic fonts installed and they work in Logos; I made a custom highlight which uses Ugaritic.
I'm wondering is there a way to turn on the Ugaritic fonts in HALOT so whenever an Ugaritic word is listed it will show?
If not, is there some visual filter trickery that could be done? For example HALOT always marks the Ugaritic entry with "Ug.", can I make a filter that says "find word Ug. and make next word use these fonts?"
I'd also like to turn on Arabic and Syriac the way they are turned on in Extended BDB.
Here's a screen shot from HALOT where an Ugaritic word is used in the definition of a Hebrew word.
My custom highlighting showing "Shalom" in Ugaritic in pink is visible.
Thanks whoever can help!
-Jeremiah
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I'l also interested in showing transliterated Ugaritic texts which I have, in Ugaritic characters instead.
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The problem, I believe, is that paper HALOT transliterates, and Logos tries to match that. I'd be interested in being able to retroject as well, as sometimes I find it easier to recognize/read in the original script. I understand Hebrew in Hebrew script much faster than transliterated Hebrew.
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Yes, you're right; I have HALOT on my bookshelf. I'm with you on transliterations; Hebrew transliteration or others; even on scripts where I'm slow to read them (Arabic/Syriac) I prefer to force myself through it so I can improve. Also, I do a better job categorizing in my memory where a cognate came from if I see it in that language's proper script; otherwise the waters get muddled in my mind.
I was just wondering if there is any kind of mechanism to create a visual filter where it can change the font.
We can make filters which capitalize letters and such (a capital A is a different unicode character than a lowercase a); and I can find the ugaritic words in HALOT (when there is just 1 word) by searching on the "Ug." key word; so it seems this may be possible.
I expect/hope a developer will say "yes but then the keymapping will be off so you'll get the wrong letters anyway".
If it's possible to just change the font of letters then heck I'd be willing to learn how to make a new keymap for an Ugaritic font to map it to the right transliteration letters if they don't map already; or find a font which maps accordingly.
Arabic and the rest could follow. Thanks for chiming in Ben, I've been monitoring this post for a reply eagerly hoping for a gift of "YES" and just seeing a response that someone agrees made me happy
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OK I'm closer; well the first step.
I just made a visual filter which when I highlight something changes it to an ugaritic font. See pic 1 then pic 2.
It's not properly converting the ayin but the other 3 letters it got right.
Next I need to find out if it's just ayin or other letters that miss the map also. Then if anyone can help,
how do I write a query for my filter that says "get me the word after 'Ug.'".
I could do this with regular expressions but I don't think that's supported.
I'm trying:
1 WORD AFTER Ug.
but just getting "Ug." highlighted
Thanks,
-Jeremiah
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Using a cooler font now, way more Ugariticy looking...
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Jeremiah said:
I'm trying:
1 WORD AFTER Ug.
but just getting "Ug." highlighted
The syntax is incorrect and you need a wildcard * for 'any' word e.g.
* AFTER 1 WORD Ug.
But the search is incredibly slow and not recommended for a Visual filter.
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Thanks Dave,
wow you're right it is slow.
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I tried to make a visual filter just for the heck of it to test... and it's picking up not just the word after Ug. but also Ug. itself.
Is there a way (just so I can learn) I looked over the wiki, to exclude the Ug. from the results of the search? SO I just get the word after it?
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Jeremiah said:
Is there a way (just so I can learn) I looked over the wiki, to exclude the Ug. from the results of the search?
No! All Search terms will be highlighted. The only way is to create a list of the Ug. words e.g. UgWord1, UgWord2, UgWord3, UgWord4... (you can use multiple search lines).
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Thanks Dave!
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Well I got the highlighter working right.
I had to change the font character mapping for certain unicode volues of the transliteration characters and rebuild the font, but my "reverse transliteration" highlighter now works haha.
If anyone wants this just reply and I'm happy to share. You just highlight the transliteration that you want to see encoded as Ugaritic cuneiform.
This is a screenshot of a page from HALOT.
-Jeremiah
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Jeremiah said:
If anyone wants this just reply and I'm happy to share.
Do share. I have zero knowledge of the language, although I am aware of its importance as it has much in common with biblical Hebrew. I will file your response for later use. Thanks.
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Beloved said:Jeremiah said:
If anyone wants this just reply and I'm happy to share.
Do share. I have zero knowledge of the language, although I am aware of its importance as it has much in common with biblical Hebrew. I will file your response for later use. Thanks.
OK, I'm trying to see how I can send you this. Is there a way to private message on here?
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Jeremiah said:
Is there a way to private message on here?
Join Faithlife you can message me from there. There are plenty of groups that may interest you!
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Hi Jeremiah,
Looking forward to hearing from you on this either through forums or by FL messaging. Thanks, Beloved.
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Beloved can you contact me through Faith life messaging?
I'm new to this; I tried to send a message to your username, Beloved, and couldn't find you.
I don't use FaceBook so probably it's something intuitive for FaceBook users or other social media which I'm just not seeing.
Thanks, looking forward to connecting over there.
-Jeremiah
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Jeremiah said:
Beloved can you contact me through Faith life messaging?
I'm new to this; I tried to send a message to your username, Beloved, and couldn't find you.
I don't use FaceBook so probably it's something intuitive for FaceBook users or other social media which I'm just not seeing.
Thanks, looking forward to connecting over there.
-Jeremiah
Just click on his name in the post above yours. This will take you to his profile page where you can send a message.
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yeah I went to his page but i thought there was a way to send private messages. Is there only the public post? Like how do we exchange private contact information without piblicly posting it On each others profiles?
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how do we exchange private contact information without piblicly posting it On each others profiles?
I don't think it's possible. However, I propose a solution. Take a look at this secure messaging app https://crypto.cat/ if you agree it's something you suits you. I will post my email and we can share our usernames and I will send you a buddy request. You can send files with this service a definite plus, securely!
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Beloved said:Jeremiah said:
how do we exchange private contact information without piblicly posting it On each others profiles?
I don't think it's possible.
Members of the same Faithlife group(s) can send private messages => https://faithlife.com
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In that case join the Visual Filters group, Jeremiah! Thanks KS4J!
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bump to Jeremiah [:)]
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I'm in that group but when I click to message and I type "Beloved" in the To: field it doesn't find you. Can you initiate the contact with me over there? I'm in the Visual Filters group.
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Hey Jeremiah!
Thanks so much for responding. I don't no much about this messaging feature. When I looked you up it said you were a follower, I think you have to be a member for it to work. Not sure, but it's the only thing I can find that can explain why I can't message you. Thanks
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Hmm, when I check my status as follower, the only options are to stop following...
I'll revisit this in the afternoon.. Will get you the Ugaritic modified font and my custom visual filter soon!
(I didn't make it a huge priority since you said you aren't studying Ugaritic yet... but you are on my list and when you're on my list it gets done )
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Dave Hooton said:Jeremiah said:
Is there a way (just so I can learn) I looked over the wiki, to exclude the Ug. from the results of the search?
No! All Search terms will be highlighted. The only way is to create a list of the Ug. words e.g. UgWord1, UgWord2, UgWord3, UgWord4... (you can use multiple search lines).
Other caveat is qualifying Ugaritic transliteration words from other uses.
Without [match marks], iṭ finds more results in HALOT. Another example is hl that is used in other places.
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Hey Jeremiah!
Thanks so much for responding. I don't no much about this messaging feature. When I looked you up it said you were a follower, I think you have to be a member for it to work. Not sure, but it's the only thing I can find that can explain why I can't message you. Thanks
I double checked. I am a member in that group. Are you guys sure this private messaging actually exists?
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Dave Hooton said:Jeremiah said:
Is there a way (just so I can learn) I looked over the wiki, to exclude the Ug. from the results of the search?
No! All Search terms will be highlighted. The only way is to create a list of the Ug. words e.g. UgWord1, UgWord2, UgWord3, UgWord4... (you can use multiple search lines).
Other caveat is qualifying Ugaritic transliteration words from other uses.
Without [match marks], iṭ finds more results in HALOT. Another example is hl that is used in other places.
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Thanks Doc, so are you suggesting that I build one long string query with [match marks] which explicitly lists all known Ugaritic words?
Sorry if I'm missing something. If that is your suggestion I do have the Gordon text which has a large Ugaritic lexicon, sometimes glosses only that I could maybe extract such keywords from. The issue with this approach is since these lexicons HALOT and Gordon, usually list just the root letters of the word so even if I have a list of all of them, applying my visual filter in this manner will pick up false positives from Akkadian and other semitic language entries in HALOT and will apply my "reverse transliteration" to them as well.
Unless we can some how scope it with the string literal "Ug." within 1 word or something like that?
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Jeremiah said:
I double checked. I am a member in that group.
You now show as "offline," as you say you now show as a member. I can't add you to People. Think you have to be logged in to receive my first message. I'm always logged in so, you can message me anytime.
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What's funny is that I changed nothing. Yet my status somehow changed?
maybe an admin saw our conversation and wanted to help?
Also, I actually *am* online now and you said it shows me as offline. I want to get this figured out because it can also be useful in the future to be able to contact people in the forums as Private message.
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Are you logged in to FL?
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yes, and I have a window open in the visual filters group.
BTW my status also says "you are a member" whereas before it said "you are following"
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I tried to send you a message also and it lists you as "offline" as well.
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There must be a bug.
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maybe there is something in settings restricting who can contact us. I checked my "privacy" settings and I don't see anything tht could be an issue
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I sent a message to Adam Borries with FL about this issue he monitors The VF group.
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Great, thanks.
OK, I'm signing off
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Any update on this?
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There is a bug that is being addressed guess we have to be patient.
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Hey Beloved have you heard anything more on this?
I want to complete this for you. Maybe if no resolution by week's end we'll just use the private service you mentioned so I can send you
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Hey Jeremiah,
I messaged Adam for an update. Will post as soon as he responds.
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Hi Jeremiah,
Adam has come up with a work around. I've sent you an email to join my closed group. When you join we'll be able to DM.
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