Will you add the ability to open a window in Logos 4 so that you may read a pdf, or Word file, or a webpage? Your competition Wordsearch can do this!
John,
Besides the fact another program does this, why do you want this functionality? What benefit does it have over opening these with the programs normally used to open them? When and how would you use such a capability and why would it be important in how you use Logos?
(I'd also argue that Wordsearch isn't much of a competitor for Logos, but that is another issue.)
The only benefit that I could see would be if these types of files could be imported as pseudo Logos resources. That has been announced as upcoming as soon as they reintroduce the personal book builder.
If the PDF & Doc files could be integrated & searched as part of the resource library it would be higjly beneficial. But if it were just a reader in a separate window it would be interesting but not so useful. Besides, there are other Bible software companies that have the PDF reading capability.
I doubt the reader route would be worth the effort but a combination of RefTagger, PBB and a possibile PDF reader would make my huge PDF collection really come alive. I doubt Logos ever gets around to producing certain obscure works I have in PDF.
oh HECK it would be a lot nicer for guys like me! [:D] Right now, I use a lot of cumbersome methods for note taking and file reading while trying to work in Logos:
Really, you guys are toooooo short sighted. Makes me wonder if you really use L4 to study at all, or is it just an excuse to post on the forums. Really!!!! [:P] (much jesting in that comment. I have much respect for all of you!)
. . . and another thing: Poor John Seaton delivers his first post ever on the forums, and all you old timers jump on it right away! Where is your etiquette, your grace! You didn't even offer him a [B] or a [{] or even a [^]. the only thing he walked away with was a [U]. Just makes me wanna [+o(].
gosh, that was fun.
But to be clear: John, great suggestion. Hard to know if it will see the light of day, especially with these dudes shootin' it down right away. But I actually think about integration every single time i used Logos.
oh HECK it would be a lot nicer for guys like me! Right now, I use a lot of cumbersome methods for note taking and file reading while trying to work in Logos: docking One Note to the side. Works, but it scrunches up the rest of L4. And every other application I open is scrunched too, and I don't always want it to be. Would be nice for OneNote to have its own tab. Or Word for that matter. Manage it like my other tabs
oh HECK it would be a lot nicer for guys like me! Right now, I use a lot of cumbersome methods for note taking and file reading while trying to work in Logos:
I don't understand why having OneNote or Word docked in a tab within Logos would help solve your problems. Either you'd have it docked in a tab side-by-side with whatever else you've got open in Logos, and then you'd still have the cramped screen real estate problem -- the other Logos tabs would have to share space within the frame of the Logos app with OneNote (or Word).
On the other hand, if you were thinking of stacking the tabs on top of each other, so as not to have the cramped real estate, then why not keep OneNote (or Word) full screen running as its own separate application (which it already is) behind Logos and then you can Alt+Tab back and forth between it and Logos? That way each one gets to use the FULL SCREEN, no scrunching necessary. This would be no different from working in the front tab for a while and then switching to one of the other tabs that had been in the background.
I don't understand why having OneNote or Word docked in a tab within Logos would help solve your problems.
I agree. A simpler (and faster) solution for you is if you have an extra couple hundred dollars, buy an extra monitor. Dual monitor is the best thing since sliced bread, IMHO.
I use WordSearch and I've never found the ability to open web pages inside the program useful. Besides, within Logos 4 if you have a link to Wikipedia etc from Biblical People/Places/Things or Reading Lists, it will launch the linked website in your full default browser (rather than open the web page in a half-sized or quarter-size sub-window, as WordSearch does).
Peter
I don't understand why having OneNote or Word docked in a tab within Logos would help solve your problems. I agree. A simpler (and faster) solution for you is if you have an extra couple hundred dollars, buy an extra monitor. Dual monitor is the best thing since sliced bread, IMHO. I use WordSearch and I've never found the ability to open web pages inside the program useful. Besides, within Logos 4 if you have a link to Wikipedia etc from Biblical People/Places/Things or Reading Lists, it will launch the linked website in your full default browser (rather than open the web page in a half-sized or quarter-size sub-window, as WordSearch does). Peter
And until then Alt-tab
CLICK ON THE PICTURE. IT IS AN ANIMATION. [:D]
You can always get one of these dual screen netbooks. Or run multiple (not just dual) monitors under Windows 7. I own five 36" and have run a pair with Logos 3. The wife & kids named them "the Sumo Twins." I think Bob will come out with the Braille version of Logos before my wife gives me permission to hook up all 5 at once
I'd love to see all 5 at once.
I use a 40" flat screen TV as my 2nd monitor. Pretty nice. But not near the resolution of 5 screens at once. Just tell you wife that a guy from the forums wants a picture of them set up...maybe that'll get you permission
My current wish list:
I like to see what I am working on side by side. I can hide open, but less critical tabs behind OneNote, as necessary. I can open pdf docs within a set of tabs that show my other commentaries that are open, and I can access them easily. As it is, OneNote, by itself has to take up "so much" space, and it cannot share it with anything else. And it stays docked, forcing the rest of the windows (logos, firefox, excell, word, powerpoint, whatever, to be smaller, which means I often have to scroll right/left to see the whole thing)
Alt Tab--thank you, I have used that at times, you were one that let me know it could be done--still doesn't allow me to see all things at once--meaning, the bible/commentary/notes I am referring to within Logos. Surely that makes sense--the advantage of seeing it all at once. Dual monitors is a dream, and that would help immensely.
I own five 36" and have run a pair with Logos 3.
That is just sick! Not as in [+o(], but as in [H][Y][Y][Y][<:o)]
you are officially my hero. Even if I do like the Message once in a while. [;)]
Just tell you wife that a guy from the forums wants a picture of them set up...maybe that'll get you permission
+1~!
I agree. A simpler (and faster) solution for you is if you have an extra couple hundred dollars, buy an extra monitor. Dual monitor is the best thing since sliced bread, IMHO. My current wish list: two 24 inch monitors Quad Core with 8 GB Ram--Tablet would be nice iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch 3,000 dollars worth of Pre-pubs AY commentaries ICC set Hermeneia set Kawasaki Concours Kayak another Kayak for my wife a simple pop-up camper for this family of 6 (but the tent will do for now!) a trip to Germany to show wife where I grew up and reconnect with Christians/friends over there and, oh, pay off my credit card and student loans. perhaps then buy groceries.
Except for the kayak(s) you have my wish list! I put a log cabin home on about 100 acres in place of the kayak.
By the way, it seems like several of the posters here bust on people's suggestions; instead of ask them to further define their ideas, or show how they use it, etc. This has happened to me by a couple of these posers, oops, posters.
It's a bad habit of mine, I suppose. It isn't meant to denigrate the suggestion, it's just the way I dialogue about ideas. I was brought up to defend my ideas by having all the holes poked in them first; working in software development we had to do that to. So in turn I do it to others without thinking about how it might be perecived. Will try to rein in that tendency, as I know it is not useful in brainstorming about ideas. Better to get all the ideas out first, however impractical they might be, and then later you look at the reasons why this or that idea might not work or how to change it so it could work. But I tend to do the negative thinking up front and cut off discussion. I'm really sorry. [:$] Your rebuke stung. But I guess I'm probaby one of the ones who has stung you, so I ask forgiveness.
UPDATE: I should also clarify that my motivation is never to cut people down or make them defend their suggestions. But sometimes people request new features in Logos because they aren't aware that it already does what they want, pretty much. I want to help people discover the power that is already available to them. Sometimes that will obviate the need for their suggestion to be implemented (e.g., it might be that they simply haven't yet discovered that the exact feature they are asking for already exists). Or sometimes it might just tide them over with a partial solution to their need in the meantime until such time as Logos decides to implement their suggestion (which Logos might very well never do, so it's good to give people alternatives for approximating what they want to be able to do.) That's my only motivation for my sometimes negative-sounding comments. Again, I'm sorry, and I hope it doesn't appear as "busting" people's suggestions.
It isn't meant to denigrate the suggestion, it's just the way I dialogue about ideas. I was brought up to defend my ideas by having all the holes poked in them first; working in software development we had to do that to. So in turn I do it to others without thinking about how it might be perecived. Will try to rein in that tendency, as I know it is not useful in brainstorming about ideas. Better to get all the ideas out first, however impractical they might be, and then later you look at the reasons why this or that idea might not work or how to change it so it could work. But I tend to do the negative thinking up front and cut off discussion. I'm really sorry.
Me too, Rosie. People who grew up in an enviroment that is different than ours don't understand we mean no disrespect to their ideas. If we will remember those differences we will probably do much better in our forum discussions. The 1 am discussions (more like debates) that take place in our kitchen would make Perry Mason proud. Iron sharpens iron, unless you cut off your sibling's head.
It's a bad habit of mine, I suppose. It isn't meant to denigrate the suggestion, it's just the way I dialogue about ideas. I was brought up to defend my ideas by having all the holes poked in them first; working in software development we had to do that to. So in turn I do it to others without thinking about how it might be perecived. Will try to rein in that tendency, as I know it is not useful in brainstorming about ideas. Better to get all the ideas out first, however impractical they might be, and then later you look at the reasons why this or that idea might not work or how to change it so it could work. But I tend to do the negative thinking up front and cut off discussion. I'm really sorry. Your rebuke stung. But I guess I'm probaby one of the ones who has stung you, so I ask forgiveness.
Rosie,
Your apology is wholeheartedly accepted. I am afraid the lines, squiggles, and dots on a computer screen do not make the most complete way to truly communicate with others. I hope that everyone in the forums (- including me - I just flubbed a discussion with someone else in the forums because I forgot to read all the posts prior to typing, and I had to send a apology) remembers that we are all just humans and therefore not perfect.
Oh, by the way, I am a brainstormer type. Listen to every possible solution or suggestion then begin. So we must learn from each other.
These forums helped me immediately when L4 created a "strange" handout which started locking up my computer and shutting down L4. So thanks to all who do help others!
This might work for the pastor that has an office - I do not. I find that I do most of my sermon preparation with my notebook or netbook/tablet sitting at Panaras or McDonalds or some other WiFi hotspot. Having a convenient way to integrate LOGOS with my other tools would be most helpful. I realize I may be in the minority in how I have to work, but integration would serve me better than a second screen.
Blessings,
Floyd
I realize I may be in the minority in how I have to work, but integration would serve me better than a second screen.
In case you didn't click on the animation I posted earlier: Portable WiFi netbook with 2 ten-inch screens.
Will you add the ability to open a window in Logos 4 so that you may read a pdf, or Word file, or a webpage?
I have a number of pfd's and Word files attached as favorites. With carefully chosen window sizes I can get close enough to "in-program" reading for my purposes. Have you played with this possibility?
Will you add the ability to open a window in Logos 4 so that you may read a pdf, or Word file, or a webpage? I have a number of pfd's and Word files attached as favorites. With carefully chosen window sizes I can get close enough to "in-program" reading for my purposes. Have you played with this possibility?
i have, and it is a workable possibility, but only because we don't have integration. they still sit "on top of" other windows.
MJ, you need to start a blog or something about all the researching and things you do. I would like to find out a little more about that: topics of interest, how "good" stuff is you find online, etc. I don't know now that we can talk about all these things on this forum, now that RULES have been put in place and users are all to quick to keep pointing people to them . . . related to my "wish" is that I need to figure out the Reading List thing. I looked at it early on in L4, but it wasn't something that grabbed me right away and I have just ignored it. I see you invest a ton of time with it. Anyway, blessings and peace to you.
I really appreciate all of your ideas here. I agree with Rosie about the use of other programs. I found it very well working as I have icon on the Logos 4 tool bar of the Czech Bible Program (Davar 3) with all the Czech Bibles available (since Logos still do not have them). and when I need to use it, I just go to the tool bar and click the icon. Sometimes I almost forget it is not part of Logos. Don't tell Bob however it works so well because he might slower down working on Czech Bibles to get them to Logos [;)]
Of course the reason for having all the different pbb files and probably pdf files in Logos would be to have them indexed and with Bible references working (if not all other ones). To have it just open those files in Logos would be like having the option of opening the Internet pages in the program. Who would use it? Firefox does it so well for me.
You are not the only one who "doesn't have an office." As a rural pastor, I often have to provide for any "pastor's study" space at the manse as well as provide all the equipment. As such, I don't have the money to be duplicating resources. I do use PDF files in my personal devotions (denominational documents) as well as ocassionally in my sermon preps. It would be nice to be able to not only have "open PDF documents" sitting there but to also be able to search them, make links between them and Logos materials and integrate notes on all them within my Logos materials. There may be an easy way of doing this, but if so, I don't know it. (For example, among the PDF I use regularly are our denominational constituional documents -- both governance and confessional.)
There are three options here. One is to copy/paste material into Logos notes. This makes it searchable, but you won't be able to link between them. Another is to wait for the Sermon File/Illustration add-in and put them in there as if they were sermons or illustrations (don't sync them to the Logos server, of course). This is a bit of a cludge. The third best way (since it conforms most closely to the design of the add-ins), would be to wait for the PBB add-in to be ready and use that, but there will be a cost with the last two.
Hi Richard, looking back at past posts and other formums, it seems that PBB (Personal Book Builder) is going to take a long long time... Or ins't it?
I would love to link all my sermons, study-notes, colourings (Youthwork), pictures, etc. to my Logos 4, but will PBB be able to do this?
Any estimates when PBB will be available?
Is it a good idea to download it anyway from websites that do provide this software (or at least, say that they do)?
Hi Erik
Bob advised a couple of days ago that they are actively working on it but can't commit to a date - http://community.logos.com/forums/p/5924/221549.aspx#221549
Graham
