Hebrew and Akkadian words
I've plugged Tawil's Akkadian Lexical Companion for Biblical Hebrew Etymological, Semantic and Idiomatic Equivalence before, based on reviews. Today I got to visit a library that had one, really liked it, and it would be of great utility in Logos (especially if Logos also got the Chicago Assyrian Dictionary, which is free online). Lots of Hebrew, Aramaic, verses, and references to link and index.
Until Logos bows to my suggestions (humor, friends), Amazon has it marked down to $30 instead of $125. [:P] It says "1st edition" but I can't find information anywhere about a revised or 2nd edition.
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"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Thank you, Ben. Plus, Amazon dropped the price an additional 2 cents after I put it in the cart. I'm so happy.
Chicago Assyrian would also be good. I'd hate to wait on it in prepub though.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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The paperback has been marked down to $25.73.
Nevertheless, I hope to get it in Logos!
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Ben said:
It says "1st edition" but I can't find information anywhere about a revised or 2nd edition.
The publishing house only lists a hardcover and softcover version of the same edition. But the review they include alludes to a future edition. It would seem that the author could already envision what he would include in a future edition and the first was published (and numbered as such) with that idea in mind.
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Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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For anyone else curious, the book from AMZ arrived. Was going to post images, but Logos not receiving.
- Printing is 2017 1st edition; stated price is $125 hardback, $80 paperback. AMZ was almost $30 hardback.
- The author is pretty transparent on the discussions (doesn't over-connect hebrew to Akkadian, which are not close cousins).
- Book has two sections; words (hebrew, then aramaic) and names. Sort is by hebrew but discussion is english. Very readable. Each word has its OT references.
- He ref's quite a bit of Logos resources, discussing english Bible translations, the various technical commentaries, and journals. A nice Logos fit.
- No doubt, the area is prone to 'discussion', but he seems to present what's available, without too much forcing.
One article caught my eye ... Prov 30.4 ... 'who has ascended to heaven and come down' which later is used in Eph. Quite extensive ... all the parts of the phrasing are discussed over 2 pages.
I'm certainly no akkadianite but fun reading. Recommended.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thanks Denise. Apparently, Amazon noticed your purchase and jacked the hardcover price back up to $90, but the softcover is still cheap.
I sent another email to suggest@logos.com suggesting this book, and the Chicago Assyrian Dictionary (which they've made available for free in pdf.)
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Goodness. I was a bit surprised, it hit the truck up to our burg the night I ordered. Usually, the volumes are in Kentucky or east.
I really don't know what to say about the Hebrew/Akkadian lexicon. If they put it on prepub, the title will be the death of it. Most people don't associate akkadian and Assyria ... the same period as a good chunk of the hebrew got assembled. Just up the road from Hezekiah and Co.
But the book is perfect fit. Really down to earth, chatty, unlike HALOT, and crosses much of Logosland. I really need to get ready for family vacation, but it sits in the kitchen table refusing its bookshelf location next to Tsedaka ... just fascinating.
And yes, CAD ... it gets referenced a lot. Appreciate your bringing both up ( and saving me a bundle!).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Hardcover back down to $60, paperback $22. I would have pounced on the Hardcover at $30 if I'd realized the price were so in flux. I've started using Camelcamelcamel.com to track prices. Looks like its on its way down.
https://camelcamelcamel.com/Companion-Etymological-Idiomatic-Equivalence-Supplement/product/1602801207"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Well, this sample of one is an eye-opener for me. I'd seen oh-wow prices before and grabbed them, presuming a publisher-Amazon error. I guess not.
But your original suggestion is still very good. My own perspective is always a physical one ... Akkadian was down the road from Jerusalem. I'd bet northern priests/prophets brought a bunch with them, when Samaria fell, holding on to the past.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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The hardcover's back down to $42 (cheaper than the paperback somehow), so I bought a copy this time. I don't understand the pricing strategy or economics involved, but was kicking myself for not buying it at $30. (Retail is $125)
Still wishing Logos would up its game to academics, and get this, the CAD, and some other Assyrian/Babylonian resources.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Thank you for posting, Ben!
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OK, I failed to turn off my camelcamelcamel notification after I bought my hardcover at $42, so I got notified this morning that the hardcover has dropped to $29. [:P] I'm turning the notification off now, so this is the last post I'll make about this resource.
Except once again, would love to see it in Logos.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Bump. Would still love to see this in Logos, as well as the (free online multi-volume) Chicago Assyrian Dictionary.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Looks interesting. Languages are a growing passion of mine.
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Another bump. I've been requesting Tawil since 2009, it appears from another thread.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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Another bump for Akkadian/Hebrew resources, and the CAD.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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How about for free?
https://b-ok2.org/s/Hayim%20Tawil%20/?e=1
I downloaded this tonight inasmuch as I’m currently amassing as much ancient Semitic lexical sources as possible. But (pardon my ignorance here), what precisely is this source used for? I am assuming etymological studies?
Also, what exactly is the import of Akkadian relative to Biblical Hebrew & Aramaic? I am assuming that Akkadian (& possibly Ugaritic?) was a precursor to these biblical languages—much like Classical Greek was for Koine’?
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Puddin’ said:
what exactly is the import of Akkadian relative to Biblical Hebrew & Aramaic?
Well, it's the oldest of the semitic family. For ease of memory, think Assyrian and Babylonian. And it almost outlived hebrew (until hebrew was resurrected).
Unlike Ugarit, which surrounds a 'royal' environment, akkadian has more everyday examples. The value of this, is in culture embedded in the samples. And very interesting. Just randomly opening the book, is a lesson in the past.
Using english, an example. Psa 79:8 "Let your compassion come swiftly toward us for we have sunk very low." (Israel to YHWH).
Akk-sample: "they oppressed the weak and put them in the power of the mighty ..." (word comparison is 'sunk very low').
From a non-linguistic daily use, I see it similar to MM for NT-greek. Linguistically, of course, the problem is complicated by Palestine overwhelmed by Assyria (akkadian). Judah being shipped to Babylon (akkadian-ish). And then, aramaic re-flavoring the whole thing.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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The Hebrew Bible (inc. the Aramaic sections) preserves a very limited corpus and vocabulary. Akkadian, by contrast, has thousands of documents over a very wide range of time and geography encompassing the Hebrew Bible; plus, all that time in Babylon.
This is why you can't be a competent Hebrew Bible scholar without some exposure to Akkadian; I had three years, though I've gotten quite rusty since then. It's useful for philology, history, culture, etc.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Thank you Denise & Ben. I will look further into Akkadian. I subscribed to the annual Master Lectures from Zondervan & they have classes in Ugaritic, Syriac, Aramaic, Greek & Hebrew. Already had 1 year of Greek (now slowly taking Wallace’s Greek II) & 1 year of Hebrew. For me, Hebrew was wayyy harder than Greek (cue the vowel pointings 😡).
Wow Ben—3 years? Impressive—you’re wayyy ahead of me.
Denise—good analogy w. MM & Koine’. For me, the value of MM today is reading their commentary on Oxyrhincus with Grenfell & Hunt.
Will start digging into Akkadian👍.
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A year later, time for a bump so more people can vote!
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Looks good. Voted.
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Thank you, Ben for your persistance.
Trips to my sewing room for akkadian info is tiresome (last week on hebrew/akkadian for 'prayer'/lament). Trips to our garage for the specific CAD volume (spouses aren't too keen on CAD in the kitchen).
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Another bump, and a request for people to go vote.
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