After waiting patiently after the Master Journal Bundle 2.1+ came out - not a lot has happened.
Where was the frequent release programme we were expecting.
Shalom
I would like is the most recent journals (not just matched with Galaxie) made available.
Agree. And, I think some form of inducement (price break, store credit, free resource) is in order as a reward for sticking with FL through its Sturm und Drang for those who choose to return to Logos through some set time period.
For me, what I would like is the most recent journals (not just matched with Galaxie) made available. It is the last quarter of 2017, is it too much to think that we could have the first half of the year already in Logos. Maybe prepay for the year (Ex: I'd pay $50 now to know that all the editions of X journals will be put in my library when they are made available throughout the year). Themelios is able to offer their journal at nearly the same time as its public release.
Hi Everett,
We had a meeting this week about journals and this idea came up. It fits well with the traditional subscription model with journals in general. So we're looking at the feasibility of doing for this journals moving forward: you pay for the resource once and then it gets updated with new issues as they are released until the volume is complete for the year.
We actually really love Themelios, too, because they are super active in making sure files get to us for production. We're eagerly hoping that as we continue to clean up our processes and organization for journals going forward that we will have more and more journals that are that simple and easy.
This does seem like a good idea
Thanks for hearing me. I figured once the transition from Galaxie was done, there would be a model like this. Instead we had the big libraries that for me is is unsustainable to purchase.
How about adding Modern Reformation?
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/83944.aspx
I'd like to see the Journal of Creation added into Logos... some love for us YECs
So I have been thinking about Sebts journal, and SEBTS objections to faithlife. In principle my understanding is he like FL, and logos. But in practice he supports the baptist bible software offering because money from its sales support the seminary by providing scholarship money to students (sbc members get a 40% scholarship through the convention, which is partly funded by lifeway, which owns the competition). IF FL were to offer a % of sebts journal sales to the convention fund that pays student scholarships, or to the school directly for student tuition, or something along those lines. Something where the sale of the journal directly helped students, or else lifeway. he might be more open to allowing the journal into logos. Or if it were made available free to members of the sbc, or students of sebts. Sort of how themelios is free with the code...Akin is a good man, and deeply loves the school, his students, and the denomination, and would bleed I think, for any of them. Has given till he bled for several of them (as part of the conservative resurgence). Supporting the institution, the students, and denomination that he loves might be a good foothold in negotiations.
Hey everyone, I have another follow up for you:
We have a plan in place for the Master Journal Bundle, Theological Journal Library, and Academic Journal Library for (1) getting them all up to date and and then on a regular schedule for 2018 and following.
We ended up deciding that getting all three up would be more practical for us, since the TJL & AJL are both subsets of the larger MJB.
Once we're up to date again on the journals that we already have, we will then be able to continue working on adding journals that we want.
We have a plan in place for the ... Academic Journal Library for (1) getting them all up to date and and then on a regular schedule for 2018 and following.
Yahoooooo! And appreciate you working the weekend.
Great news. Thanks for letting us know Mike.
Wonderful! Eager to order this update! Thank you (all) for getting this back as a priority.
Hey everyone, I have another follow up for you: We have a plan in place for the Master Journal Bundle, Theological Journal Library, and Academic Journal Library for (1) getting them all up to date and and then on a regular schedule for 2018 and following. We ended up deciding that getting all three up would be more practical for us, since the TJL & AJL are both subsets of the larger MJB. Once we're up to date again on the journals that we already have, we will then be able to continue working on adding journals that we want.
What will the next purchase Oppurtunity be? A simple upgrade of those three packages? Will there be a simple 2018 upgrade?
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What will the next purchase Oppurtunity be?
We're aiming at having new journal collections up before ETS this month. We confident that we can make that. Right now we're waiting on some information regarding production costs that we need before we can make post the collections.
A simple upgrade of those three packages?
We have a couple goals. We need to catch up where we're behind for various journals. So that's going to be the primary aim for this round of updates. The collections will be dynamically priced based on what you already own.
Will there be a simple 2018 upgrade?
The plan for 2018 is to operate on a serialize schedule. We'll have quarterly releases that will parallel the publication schedules for the titles themselves. We're still working hard on the details for that. I should be able to give a more detailed answer for 2018 and forward soon.
What will the next purchase Oppurtunity be? We're aiming at having new journal collections up before ETS this month.
We're aiming at having new journal collections up before ETS this month.
Thank you for the updates and the hard work put in to this.
Thank you Mike! I have two quick questions
1) What is ETS? I apologize for my ignorance on this
2) I own only a few journals but I would like to start diving into more. Will there be smaller packages I can purchase so I can move into the market for these slowly? At last look, the cheapest journal bundle for me is around $450
Evangelical Theological Society, publisher of JETS. Mike was speaking of their annual (?) meeting, but I don't know the date.
Thank you Mike! I have two quick questions 1) What is ETS? I apologize for my ignorance on this 2) I own only a few journals but I would like to start diving into more. Will there be smaller packages I can purchase so I can move into the market for these slowly? At last look, the cheapest journal bundle for me is around $450
I'm hoping Logos will break them up into collections of one journal title (I hope that makes sense, for example, you could just buy all of JETS). For me, I'll need the Master Bundle.
The bundle you'll probably want is the TJL Upgrade bundle similar to what Galaxie offered.
You may even benefit from going to Galaxie's website and looking over the list of journals (the first couple pages of journals you can look at for free without a subscription) and see which ones benefit you. JETS is a big one I personally benefit from, and BBR, Tyndale Bulletin, and Bib Sac are very useful as well. Themelios (which you can get individual volumes for free in Logos) is also helpful. I also get JBL in print which is interesting (would like to see newer volumes in Logos) but not one I get as much use out of as JETS and Bib Sac.
I believe I've already pointed this out once in this thread, but the journals that are part of the MJB are RARELY the journals that I am constantly encountering in my readings inside and outside Logos. I hope that game-changing effort is being put into acquiring the most often cited journals that we encounter. It seems that nearly EVERY DAY I am frustrated by no access to relevant material.
Something just occurred to me...
If access to VT, NT, HTR, HUCA, CBQ, STJ, Interpretation, and other scholarly journals is just never going to happen in Logos, is it possible that FL could establish itself as an entity through which we can access these journals online through established channels?
Something just occurred to me... If access to VT, NT, HTR, HUCA, CBQ, STJ, Interpretation, and other scholarly journals is just never going to happen in Logos, is it possible that FL could establish itself as an entity through which we can access these journals online through established channels?
If it becomes too difficult for Faithlife/Logos to directly offer these in the platform on a regular basis, an option would be for Faithlife/Logos to add them as a section on the Passage Guide where the guide basically searches the online database of them similar to how it does with other online sources (SermonCentral, etc). You'd likely need to pay the publishers directly for access to the online databases (maybe through a subscription), but at least the results would be viewable from the Logos Passage Guide, and one-click takes you to the online database.
In the meantime, I keep Galaxie pinned to my Logos toolbar. While no different than a web browser bookmark, it at least reminds me to go search it after I've completed a journal search in Logos.
What I'm specifically advocating is that Logos position itself so that customers can gain "institution" discounts for its customers, and also, as you said, create in-product links that put users "on spot" with the various journal publishers. To be even more specific, what I'm envisioning is that Logos would pay for the access rights, and we would pay Logos to join their "institution" and gain full access for ALL available journals. This should happen ASAP.
We're aiming at having new journal collections up before ETS this month. We confident that we can make that. Right now we're waiting on some information regarding production costs that we need before we can make post the collections. The plan for 2018 is to operate on a serialize schedule. We'll have quarterly releases that will parallel the publication schedules for the titles themselves. We're still working hard on the details for that. I should be able to give a more detailed answer for 2018 and forward soon.
ETS is going on right now. Have I missed your updates?
I checked here, but nothing yet:
https://www.logos.com/product/4624/journal-of-the-evangelical-theological-society
I own Master's bundle. Where should I look for the dynamic pricing on the upgrade exactly?
Also any updates on 2018 release programs? I was not certain what you meant above by "soon"?
How does one get NTS articles?
Hi all,
At long last, here are new journal bundles:
https://www.logos.com/product/147726/master-journal-bundle-31
https://www.logos.com/product/147728/academic-journal-bundle-31
https://www.logos.com/product/147729/theology-journal-bundle-31
https://www.logos.com/product/147730/tjl-upgrade-bundle-31
Thank you all for your patience.
Thanks Ben - and all who have worked on this.
Graham
Definitely "Thank you and all others"! Order placed!
Thank you Ben. Order placed. Two follow up questions:
1. What is the time frame of when you expect these bundles to go into production?
2. Will you announce a time frame of when future upgrades can be expected
Thank you Ben! Now that this is fixed, please consider making smaller journal bundles for those of us not yet in the market. I'd love to see a create your own journal package one day
Thanks Ben - and all who have worked on this. Graham
You're welcome! To be honest, though, I can take very little credit for this. Kristina, Phil, Josh, Mike, and Anna are the true heroes! They've been working overtime to get this put together and up on the site.
Thanks! Is JETS a part of this package? I don't see it listed for some reason. What is it's exact status? How/where does one get NTS?
Is JETS a part of this package? I don't see it listed for some reason. What is it's exact status?
Not yet. We used to sell vols. 9–50 separately. We're working to get a license for the latest volumes that would allow us to add it to our bundles.
How/where does one get NTS?
We don't offer it yet. It's on our list to get.
I don't have an ETA for either, unfortunately.
Edit: Updated to reflect that we no longer sell JETS standalone.
Is JETS a part of this package? I don't see it listed for some reason. What is it's exact status? Not yet. We have vols. 9–50 available for sale separately. We're working to get a license for the latest volumes that would allow us to add it to our bundles. How/where does one get NTS? We don't offer it yet. It's on our list to get. I don't have an ETA for either, unfortunately.
Not yet. We have vols. 9–50 available for sale separately. We're working to get a license for the latest volumes that would allow us to add it to our bundles.
I am unable to buy JETS
Is the Master Bundle a superset of the other three? How do the 4 bundles relate to each other? Thanks!!
I have repeatedly tried to buy this. I have asked sales many times and they could not help me. It's been mentioned numerous times here in this thread it's not available. I'll keep trying, but that link is not opening for me. Above I have given a link showing that this resource is no longer available. Can you help?
I have tried. Link says not available????
Good job Faithlife! Thanks so much. Bought! Now, just pacing the floor waiting for the delivery.
Is JETS a part of this package? I don't see it listed for some reason. What is it's exact status? Not yet. We have vols. 9–50 available for sale separately. We're working to get a license for the latest volumes that would allow us to add it to our bundles.
The link you provided says that JETS is not available for purchase.
The Master Journal Bundle (MJB) includes everything in the other three, plus 13 other journals not included in any of the three.
The Theology Journal Bundle (TJB) includes everything in the TJL Upgrade Bundle (TJLUB). It includes 32 journals not the the TJLUB.
The Academic Journal Bundle (AJB) has a little bit of overlap with the the Theology Journal Bundle (American Theological Inquiry, Bulletin for Biblical Research, and Tyndale Bulletin) and the TJL Upgrade Bundle (Bulletin for Biblical Research and Tyndale Bulletin), but it's largely a different set of journals.
Here's a comparison chart with the differences.
Because each of these has dynamic pricing enabled, you don't have to worry about pay for overlap with what you already own or overlap between the any of the new bundles.
I'm sorry, folks. That was my mistake. I was moving too quickly. We sell older collections of almost all of the journals that we used to have from Galaxie, with the exception of JETS and Sothereastern Theological Review. We're looking into that.
please consider making smaller journal bundles for those of us not yet in the market.
Any recommendations on what you'd like to see? How would you suggest we group them?
What is the time frame of when you expect these bundles to go into production?
We plan to put them into production very soon. We're likely going to treat these products as pre-orders (where we don't wait for 100% funding) rather than Pre-Pubs (where we do).
We don't yet know how long they will take to produce, but I'm guessing we should be able to ship them around three months after putting them into production (give or take a month).
Will you announce a time frame of when future upgrades can be expected
We still think that we can do quarterly updates. I imagine that we'll post 4.1 shortly after we ship 3.1, followed by 4.2 after 4.1 ships, and so forth.
Not always ideal, but there are resources Logos has not been able to secure contracts with some publishers to bring their resources over to Logos (BAR, CARTA, etc.).
Dreaming of BAR update for use in Faithlife applications and apps (desire one awesome digital library).
FYI: placed BAR printed catalog in recycle bin since only interested in their digital resources that can be used in Logos and Verbum. Noted BAR offers their journal archive with Firefox user interface for reading and searching.
Keep Smiling [:)]
We're working to get a license for the latest volumes that would allow us to add it to our bundles.
Speaking of getting licenses... Any hope for these?
please consider making smaller journal bundles for those of us not yet in the market. Any recommendations on what you'd like to see? How would you suggest we group them?
The Bible Today would be great!
Phil - can I ask what's up with Biblical Archaeology Review.
Faithlife used to carry it, but it has been several years. The issues I do have are also not available on my mobile devices. Is there any chance of this changing soon?
Thanks.
Also, good to see you back on the forums periodically, Don.
Returning to the theme of journals I encounter in Logos constantly but which have no links, we really need the earlier volumes of JBL. I find references to the 40s thru the 80s all the time. Sure would be nice to have something to click on. Pretty please and thank you.
Thank you for asking for my suggestion Mr Gons but here I must tread lightly as I'm not all that familiar with journals. I only own Themelios and BibSac when it comes to journals but I do enjoy browsing through them for expanded discussion on topics. My only issue is all these great bundles contain so much that they are actually quite expensive for me. The cheapest one I saw was for just over $300 so my only suggestion is (if possible) to make smaller bundles as well or maybe offer a create your own bundle where one might pick 5 or so journals and get a discounted price. As for how that would happen I don't know but I know my next few lookings will be Southern Seminary, MSJ, Bulletin of Bib Research, and the Apologetics Journal. I'd also like to get the new BibSac issues but unfortunately I need to buy a bundle to update that. Anyone else have any ideas or am I out on a limb?
