The Panarion
Where in Logos can I find the text for The Panarion?
If I search my books I get a dictionary like description and a couple of topic based extracts found in The Post-Nicene Greek Fathers.
If I search for it on the Logs website it doesn't get any hits.
So does Logos contain the actual text? In English or Greek?
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Marshall Harrison said:
Where in Logos can I find the text for The Panarion?
My search locates it in the Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology. There is a Fragment 3 in the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha Vol1.
Edit: The full text does not appear to be found in Logos, but, several fragments or sections are available below is an example excuse its appearance
EPIPHANIUS, PANARION 26.13.228 228 καὶ οὕτως ἐστὶ τὰ ληρώδη αὐτῶν καὶ μυθώδη , ὡς καὶ περὶ τοῦ C B VPAI3S DNPN JNPN RP3GPM C JNPN B B P DGSM καί οὔτως εἰμί ὁ ληρώδης αὐτός καί μυθώδης ὡς καί περί ὁ ἁγίου Ἠλία τολμῶσι βλασφημεῖν καὶ λέγειν ὅτι , φησίν , ὅτε ἀνελήφθη , JGSM NGSM VPAI3P VPAN C VPAN C VPAI3S B VAPI3S ἅγιος Ἠλίας τολμάω βλασφημέω καί λέγω ὅτι φημί ὅτε ἀναλαμβάνω κατεβλήθη πάλιν εἰς τὸν κόσμον . ἦλθεν γάρ , φησίν , μία δαίμων καὶ VAPI3S B P DASM NASM VAAI3S C VPAI3S JNSF NNSF C καταβάλλω πάλιν εἰς ὁ κόσμος ἔρχομαι γάρ φημί εἷς δαίμων καί ἐκράτησε καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὅτι ποῦ πορεύῃ ; ἔχω γὰρ τέκνα ἀπὸ σοῦ VAAI3S C VAAI3S RP3DSM C B VPUI2S VPAI1S C NAPN P RP2GS κρατέω καί εἶπον, λέγω αὐτός ὅτι ποῦ πορεύομαι ἔχω γάρ τέκνον ἀπό σύ , καὶ οὐ δύνασαι ἀνελθεῖν καὶ ὧδε ἀφεῖναι τὰ τέκνα σου . καί , φησίν , C B VPUI2S VAAN C B VAPN DAPN NAPN RP2GS C VPAI3S καί οὐ δύναμαι ἀνέρχομαι καί ὧδε ἀφίημι ὁ τέκνον σύ καί φημί λέγει · πόθεν ἔχεις τέκνα ἀπʼ ἐμοῦ καὶ ἐγὼ ἤμην ἐν ἁγνείᾳ ; λέγει , φησίν VPAI3S B VPAI2S NAPN P RP1GS C RP1NS VIUI1S P NDSF VPAI3S VPAI3S λέγω πόθεν ἔχω τέκνον ἀπό ἐγώ καί ἐγώ εἰμί ἐν ἁγνεία λέγω φημί · ναί , ὅτε ἐνυπνίοις ἐνυπνιαζόμενος πολλάκις ἐν τῇ ἀπορροίᾳ τῶν T B NDPN VPUP-SNM B P DDSF NDSF DGPN ναί ὅτε ἐνύπνιον ἐνυπνιάζω πολλάκις ἐν ὁ ἀπόρροια ὁ σωμάτων ἐκενώθης , ἐγὼ ἤμην ἡ μεταλαβοῦσα ἀπὸ σοῦ τὰ NGPN VAPI2S RP1NS VIUI1S DNSF VAAP-SNF P RP2GS DAPN σῶμα κενόω ἐγώ εἰμί ὁ μεταλαμβάνω ἀπό σύ ὁ σπέρματα καὶ γεννῶσα σοι υἱούς . πολλὴ δὲ μωρία τῶν τὰ τοιαῦτα NAPN C VPAP-SNF RP2DS NAPM JNSF C NNSF DGPM DAPN JAPN σπέρμα καί γεννάω σύ υἱός πολύς δέ μωρία ὁ ὁ τοιοῦτος λεγόντων . VPAP-PGM λέγω CHAPTER 5 30 […]λωσσων […]ματα μερι[ … ] . α · ἐκεῖ μεν[ … ]. ς διὰ τον[ … ]αι . […]οστα X X X X B T X P X X X X X X α ἐκεῖ μέν ς διά τον αι οστα 31 ποιμένας τοῦ λ[αοῦ . ἐπερωτήσει αὐτοὺς διὰ] τὴν νομὴν τ[ῶν προβάτων NAPM DGSM NGSM VFAI3S RP3APM P DASF NASF DGPN NGPN ποιμήν ὁ λαός ἐπερωτάω αὐτός διά ὁ νομή ὁ πρόβατον καὶ παραδοθήσονται] ἄνευ δόλου · C VFPI3P P NGSM καί παραδίδωμι ἄνευ δόλος 32 μ[ετὰ δὲ ταῦτα καταβήσονται] ὅ τε ἡλείας κ[αὶ ἑνωχ . ἀποθήσονται P C RD-APN VFMI3P DNSM T NNSM C XP VFMI3P μετά δέ οὗτος καταβαίνω ὁ τέ Ἠλίας καί Ἑνώχ ἀποτίθημι τὴν σάρκα τοῦ κόσμ[ο]υ [καὶ περιβαλοῦνται τὴν σάρκα π--ν--σ-- DASF NASF DGSM NGSM C VFMI3P DASF NASF X ὁ σάρξ ὁ κόσμος καί περιβάλλω ὁ σάρξ X καταδιώ[ξουσιν τὸν υἱὸν τῆς ἀνομίας VFAI3P DASM NASM DGSF NGSF καταδιώκω ὁ υἱός ὁ ἀνομία Penner, K., & Heiser, M. S. (2008). Old Testament Greek pseudepigrapha with morphology. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Beloved said:Marshall Harrison said:
Where in Logos can I find the text for The Panarion?
My search locates it in the Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology. There is a Fragment 3 in the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha Vol1.
Thanks Beloved.
When I search for "Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha" on the Logos website I get the resource you mention but when I drill down I don't see the Panarion listed nor any mention of Epiphanius. - https://www.logos.com/product/5767/old-testament-greek-pseudepigrapha-with-morphology
How am I supposed to know this stuff?
2700 resources in my Library and I can't even find one simple text. I can understand it not being in my library as I can't have everything. But I should at least be able to find out where to get it without resulting to asking on the forum and bothering everyone with my questions.
Am I asking too much of Logos?
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Marshall Harrison said:
Am I asking too much of Logos?
Yes, but first see my edit above. I looked this up on AMZN and the paperback vols1, 2&3 will set you back roughly $120. If you don't mind me asking, what biblically does this shed light on? I'm thinking this would be a hard sell on Suggest Books.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Finding books within books is something many of have wanted to see improved for a long time:
Logos could be more helpful in listing books contained in mult-book works, though they'd need to be tagged in some way. Library software is supposed to be helpful in that way. Hopefully, we'll see it in the next major update of the Library.
The work around is the one Keep Smiling posted about in your other thread yesterday:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/155069/940305.aspx#940305
As Beloved posted above, there doesn't seem to be a complete edition only fragments. According to Wikipedia:
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The first English translation of the entire Panarion was published in 1987 (Book I) and 1993 (Books II and III), by Frank Williams.
- The Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis, Book I (Sects 1-46) Frank Williams, translator, 1987 (E.J. Brill, Leiden) ISBN 90-04-07926-2
- The Panarion etc., Book II and III (Sects 47-80, De Fide) Frank Williams, translator, 1994 (E.J. Brill, Leiden) ISBN 90-04-07926-2
The first book is about $218 from Brill. http://www.brill.com/panarion-epiphanius-salamis-book-i
EDIT: The fragments from The Post-Nicene Greek Fathers: https://ref.ly/logosres/pstncngrkfth?ref=Page.p+143&off=963
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Beloved said:Marshall Harrison said:
Am I asking too much of Logos?
Yes, but first see my edit above. I looked this up on AMZN and the paperback vols1, 2&3 will set you back roughly $120. If you don't mind me asking, what biblically does this shed light on? I'm thinking this would be a hard sell on Suggest Books.
Probably nothing. Just my inquisitive mind doing its thing. I am reading on the early history of the church and the canon. I also saw a BBC documentary on the Nag Hammadi and so I started Googling some of the terms I came across. Found references to The Panarion refuting heresies. So being inquisitive I went looking for the text.
Within the last week, I have upgraded to Silver which contains the Post-Nicene Greek Fathers and Early Church Fathers, etc, and added the Nag Hammadi plus one or two other resources to support my area of interest. So I thought I should be able to locate the Panation text but I don't find it; hence my question.
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Randy W. Sims said:
Finding books within books is something many of have wanted to see improved for a long time:
Logos could be more helpful in listing books contained in mult-book works, though they'd need to be tagged in some way. Library software is supposed to be helpful in that way. Hopefully, we'll see it in the next major update of the Library.
The work around is the one Keep Smiling posted about in your other thread yesterday:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/155069/940305.aspx#940305
As Beloved posted above, there doesn't seem to be a complete edition only fragments. According to Wikipedia:
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The first English translation of the entire Panarion was published in 1987 (Book I) and 1993 (Books II and III), by Frank Williams.
- The Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis, Book I (Sects 1-46) Frank Williams, translator, 1987 (E.J. Brill, Leiden) ISBN 90-04-07926-2
- The Panarion etc., Book II and III (Sects 47-80, De Fide) Frank Williams, translator, 1994 (E.J. Brill, Leiden) ISBN 90-04-07926-2
The first book is about $218 from Brill. http://www.brill.com/panarion-epiphanius-salamis-book-i
Thanks. I followed Keep Smiling's suggestion and that is how I got as far as I did. I also found the wikipedia reference you listed. Sounds like I started out going down the right track but just stumbled headfirst into a limitation of Logos.
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Marshall Harrison said:
Thanks. I followed Keep Smiling's suggestion and that is how I got as far as I did. I also found the wikipedia reference you listed. Sounds like I started out going down the right track but just stumbled headfirst into a limitation of Logos.
Larger Library provides more opportunity to find articles (albeit wallet cries [:'(] more). Asking on forum allows other(s) to search:
Panarion => https://ref.ly/logos4/Search?kind=BasicSearch&q=Panarion&match=stem&in=raw%3aAll%7cTitle%3dAll%2520Resources
Found some Panarion fragments.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Thanks Keep Smiling.
The Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology is $99 which I don't have at the moment.
When I searched the Logos website for "Old Testament Greek Pseud" it returned just two results:
Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.) which I already had and the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (27 vols.) which had a price of $0.00 a 100% savings of the $165.99. So I purchased the Catholic version. Not sure if that is normal or why it was $0 but I jumped on it and added another 37 resources to my total resources.
Supposedly there is no difference in the text between the two packages but since it was free I purchased it anyway. The other resources will have to wait.
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Agreed with regard to the Panarion. This is the first translation into any modern language, and of extraordinary benefit for the student of the NT and patristics.
Gary Shogren http://openoureyeslord.com
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