Dataset Updates: February 20, 2018

Rick Brannan (Logos)

The following datasets are scheduled to be released today, February 20, 2018:

For Logos Now subscribers

Theophanies in the Bible — God shows up in the Bible in many forms. Sometimes he manifests himself to a person physically. Sometimes he manifests himself through a vision or audibly. These manifestations are commonly refered to as Theophanies, a term which is derived from the Greek words θεός (God) and φαντάζω (to appear). In these manifestations one central part is the uncovered glory and power of God. In theophanic manifestations, God shows himself as he truly is to some degree. These manifestations are not descriptions of God, but are retellings of experiences a person or group has had of God. Theophanic instances are annotated with the following information:

Time: The time of the event (past, present, or future)
Beholder: The audience of the event
Agent: The person of the Trinity who makes the theophanic appearance
Type of Manifestation: How God manifests himself in the physical realm
Image of Appearance: The physical form used by God in the manifestation (if not stated, then annotated as "Unknown")

Theophanies in the Bible Dataset Documentation — This may ship later today, outside of the normally scheduled resource update.

Updated Datasets

Systematic Theology Cross-References — Added one resource.

David K. Clark's To Know and Love God: Method for Theology

Biblical Theology Cross-References — Added two resources.

Thomas R. Schriener's Covenant and God's Purpose for the World
John H. Walton's Old Testament Theology for Christians: From Ancient Context to Enduring Belief

Phrase Concordance — corrected some labels and addressed a few typos
Reverse Interlinears — several reverse interlinears have been updated

ESV, KJV1900, NASB95, NIV2011, NKJV, NRSV

If for some reason these updates are not made available today (Tuesday, February 20) I will update this thread.

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John Kight

Nice! Thanks, Rick.

PetahChristian

Thanks, Rick! Excited to see what the Theophanies dataset can reveal.

Graham Criddle

Theophanies in the Bible

Excellent news Rick - I'm just working through a sermon series on "Visions of God in the Bible"!

Rick Brannan (Logos)

If for some reason these updates are not made available today (Tuesday, February 20) I will update this thread.

Looks like it will be tomorrow (Wednesday, Feb 21) when these resources are made available. Thanks, all, for your patience.

Mark Smith

Great work. Thanks Rick and team.

Rick Brannan (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/955475#Comment_955475

Great work. Thanks Rick and team.

More team than Rick on this one. I just have the good fortune of announcing things.

Gregory Lawhorn

The example searches (in the documentation) give zero results. The search defaults to Basic; choosing Bible still gives zero results.

Going to the example verses mentioned in the documentation and right-clicking gives zero results.

The email address at the bottom of the documentation (data.theophanies@faithlife.com) is an undeliverable address.

The library has finished indexing, and I've restarted Logos. What am I doing wrong?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956588#Comment_956588

The example searches (in the documentation) give zero results.

The dataset hasn't shipped yet.

Looks like it will be tomorrow (Wednesday, Feb 21) when these resources are made available. Thanks, all, for your patience.

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956607#Comment_956607

So . . . the documentation shipped before the dataset . . . gotcha

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/956607#Comment_956607

The dataset hasn't shipped yet.

Now the dataset has shipped as illustrated...

But I still can't get the examples (except 1) to produce any results. See below...

I also cannot seem to find this in the Bible Browser as advertised or the context menu or information panel (I looked in places that I already knew were theophanies).

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957677#Comment_957677

But I still can't get the examples (except 1) to produce any results. See below...

I get the same lack of results as you do

I also cannot seem to find this in the Bible Browser as advertised or the context menu or information panel (I looked in places that I already knew were theophanies).

I do see results in the Information Panel for text containing theophanies - for example I clicked on Gen 48:3 and this is flagged as a theophany in the Information Panel in the "Other References" section

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957688#Comment_957688

I clicked on Gen 48:3 and this is flagged as a theophany in the Information Panel in the "Other References" section

EDIT: Nevermind I reset my pointer on the word appeared and it now shows the tagging

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957738#Comment_957738

It's definitely odd though that by clicking on a different word "blessed" in the same verse the tagging disappears. I thought this tagging was at the verse level not at the word level

Rick Brannan (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957740#Comment_957740

The tagging is at the word level (so, words/phrases/clauses/etc.).

The documentation will soon be updated, but until then, instead of "Type of Manifestation" use "Manifestation", and instead of "Image of Appearance" use "Appearance".

Also, should be "<Person Jesus>", etc. (the brackets indicate a data type reference, "Person" the scheme).

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957797#Comment_957797

until then, instead of "Type of Manifestation" use "Manifestation"

still can't get that one to work...

Also, is there any approximate timeline on this coming to the Bible Browser? That is where I think the average user will see the power of this dataset.

Thank you guys, I'm excited to see this feature!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958544#Comment_958544

Hi Rick / Bradley / others,

Can you please point me to a page that explains what datasets are, how do I use them, etc?

The reason for asking is the transition from Logos Now to Faithlife Connect. If at some point I decide to unsubscribe, I want to maintain access to the interactive tools and other features. If I do lose access to the datasets, do I only lose the ability to do fancy searches with complex syntax (which I don't care for)? Or do I also lose the ability to use some of the interactive tools if I don't have access to the datasets?

Thanks for enlightening me,

Peter

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958557#Comment_958557

what datasets are, how do I use them, etc

A dataset is a file that is located in your Resources folder. Datasets facilitate classification of the text without tagging the resource e.g. one dataset will contain the location of Theophanies in the bible and/or indicate the text for each Theophany.

For bible text, datasets will have the text from a Greek bible (SBLGNT) and a Hebrew bible (LHB); which means that you need a reverse interlinear to see the affected text in an English bible. Which also explains why you might see gaps in the highlighting, where the English bible has inserted words for clarity in the translation.

If at some point I decide to unsubscribe, I want to maintain access to the interactive tools and other features. If I do lose access to the datasets, do I only lose the ability to do fancy searches with complex syntax (which I don't care for)? Or do I also lose the ability to use some of the interactive tools if I don't have access to the datasets?

If you unsubscribe you lose access to Interactives and Datasets unless you own a Feature Set (look for Interactive Media and Datasets). If you are interested in Interactives you will also get their associated datasets + datasets that are used only in a (fancy) Search.

Note: some datasets also facilitate Visual Filters e.g. Speaker labels and Addressee labels depend on one dataset (Reported Speech), Discourse features need the Greek and Hebrew Discourse datasets.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958676#Comment_958676

how do I use them, etc

Individual datasets are documented; look for type:manual in Library. For some datasets also look at type:Glossary.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958544#Comment_958544

until then, instead of "Type of Manifestation" use "Manifestation"

still can't get that one to work...

Documentation update also needs "Physical Appearance" instead of "Physical Manifestation"

{Label Theophany WHERE Manifestation ~ "Physical Appearance"}

Keep Smiling [:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958679#Comment_958679

Thanks Dave for your help. I tried looking through some of the manuals but they don't make sense to me.

Peter

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958766#Comment_958766

Keep Smiling

am now [:D]

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958766#Comment_958766

Is poetic language used to describe God's intervention in the figurative language of shooting arrows or riding clouds to be classified as a physical appearance theophany?

Jimmy Parks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958804#Comment_958804

This is the definition used for the dataset.

"Definition: A theophany is a physical, visual, or audible manifestation of God in his full glory and power. The event takes place in the context of the present earth and history, and not in a heavenly visitation."

An event where God comes down to earth on a cloud would fit this definition. The restricting factor for poetic/metaphorical language is whether is represents Gods physical presence in some way, and is not just a representation of his strength or power.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958767#Comment_958767

Thanks Dave for your help. I tried looking through some of the manuals but they don't make sense to me.

Peter

https://wiki.logos.com/Upgrading_to_Logos_7#Features shows where most datasets are used (in Guide sections, Searches, Visual Filters, but not Interactives).

Then use them as needed

in Interactives and Guides
in a resource's Visual Filters menu
in the Context menu, below Lemma & Strong's on the right side, the entries come from datasets

hover to see Preaching Themes, Cultural Concepts, Literary Typing, etc. Expand as necessary.
expand Label to see the different types of Label
select an entry
select a Search from the left side
the dataset documentation should explain the Search characteristics in more detail

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/958970#Comment_958970

Thank you Dave for a very helpful reference.

Peter

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/957797#Comment_957797

The documentation will soon be updated

Hi Rick, I got the recently updated documentation yesterday and noticed that the section about accessing this in the Bible Browser has been removed. Was this intentional? Does this mean it will not be accessible in the Bible Browser?

Also, the examples in the documentation still do not produce results by simply clicking on them (which kind of defeats the purpose of them being hyperlinked). They also seem to open up a basic search, but in my opinion, it seems more appropriate for them to open up a bible search.

Rick Brannan (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/960936#Comment_960936

Hi Rick, I got the recently updated documentation yesterday and noticed that the section about accessing this in the Bible Browser has been removed. Was this intentional? Does this mean it will not be accessible in the Bible Browser?

Yes, at present the dataset (Theophanies, correct?) is not included in the data accessed by Bible Browser. My guess is that it will eventually be integrated, but I have no idea on time frame.

Also, the examples in the documentation still do not produce results by simply clicking on them (which kind of defeats the purpose of them being hyperlinked). They also seem to open up a basic search, but in my opinion, it seems more appropriate for them to open up a bible search.

I'll notify the appropriate parties about this.

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/960939#Comment_960939

I'll notify the appropriate parties about this.

Thanks Rick, I really look forward to the possible integration of this data in the Bible Browser, I personally feel that It would get the most use there.