Logos vs Olive tree IPAD app

Greetings, I’m new to Logos and have been using the Olive Tree app for a couple of years. Resently I joined a bible study group called “Bible Study Fellowship “ BSF. This has group has opened my eyes to my ignorance of the most important thing in my life; Gods Word. Asking a minister at church on this subject I was told that if you really want to study the word you must use the Logos app. Logos IS the preachers Bible Study app. Thats how I got here.

The Logos iPad app appears very confusing to me compared to the OT APP. I’m not giving up on LOGOS Just yet. I was hoping for the forums opinion on the key stand out features not available in the OT app. is it really worth dumping the Olive Tree app for Logos?

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Graham Criddle

Hi Leonard - and welcome to the forums

I don't use the Olivetree app so can't comment on that - but know of others who find it very helpful.

But if you can outline the things you find confusing about the Logos app we might be able to advise how to use it better

Graham

Dan Francis

I was told that if you really want to study the word you must use the Logos app.

That is utter nonsense. Much of what the Logos mobile app can do is doable on OT and will do it without the need to use connectivity. The Word Study guide in Logos is more advanced than in OT but that said personally i still start all my word studies off in OT and rarely need to go into Logos unless I am looking to go to one of the larger multivolume lexical dictionaries I have in Logos. Text Comparison is a Logos feature you do not in OT and is handy for seeing how a verse is translated in all the versions you have. Exegetical Guide is another heavy duty tool from Logos with no duplication in OT but may be of lesser use if you are not really comfortable in the Greek and Hebrew. I am sure there are other things I am missing out but those are the big three in reasons why Logos is very valuable for study. That said it is a significant investment to get the resources behind those guides to make them truly useful. Now the are subscription plans I am not too well acquainted with called Faithlife Connect or a slightly more inexpensive one aimed at catholics called Verbum Now. And I do think that Logos base packages can be a fine investment in you spiritual growth. That said if you have a lot of books in OT it is no lightweight in helping you study.

-dan

DMB

1. If we're talking strictly iPad, I'd agree with the minister. I have Accordance, Olivetree, Laridian, and Logos. In order of an in-depth study, I'd put them in the order: Logos, Laridian, Accordance, Olivetree. We're talking more than a Bible and commentary or lexicon.

2. BSF is a group endeavor; you'll likely be on your own with Logos or Laridian.

3. Logos is singularly expensive. The other 3 are considerably cheaper.

4. The latest Logos isn't a whole lot different than my browser (floating tabs, panels per tab, etc). But yes, more complicated than a 2-panel view. But if you're decently young, you'll be an expert in a day or so. My experience.

5. The tools in Logos far exceed the competition, and will likely grow. So, if you're really enthused, Logos will keep ahead of you.

6. Logos is now got a pretty good web app that you can run on your iPad. It's more powerful than the app, and is expanding faster.

In my mind, it depends on $$. Are you serious, or just want some more depth? And more important, what are your study partners using?

James McAdams

Greetings, I’m new to Logos and have been using the Olive Tree app for a couple of years. Resently I joined a bible study group called “Bible Study Fellowship “ BSF. This has group has opened my eyes to my ignorance of the most important thing in my life; Gods Word. Asking a minister at church on this subject I was told that if you really want to study the word you must use the Logos app. Logos IS the preachers Bible Study app. Thats how I got here.

The Logos iPad app appears very confusing to me compared to the OT APP. I’m not giving up on LOGOS Just yet. I was hoping for the forums opinion on the key stand out features not available in the OT app. is it really worth dumping the Olive Tree app for Logos?

I’m not sure why your pastor said it. It could be any of the following (or something else entirely):

free resources - if you’re taking your first steps into deeper reading/study, I think Logos has the best range of free books going - both the biggest (if you include Perseus) and the best - Faithlife study bible, Lexham bible dictionary, tons of images, videos etc and more free books every month - see here for the current range that you can add: https://www.logos.com/products/search?start=0&sort=pricelo&pageSize=60&unlocked=no
quality of tools - passage guide, exegetical guide, word study tool etc - if you’ve got a small number of commentaries/lexicons, the difference is negligible. If you have no internet connection Logos is worse. If you have either loads of resources or you’re relying completely on freebies (and you’re online), Logos often wins
number of high-quality resources available - Logos is generally considered to have the best range of books if you’re looking to buy a large library. It’s by no means a slam-dunk any more - other options exist with huge numbers of resources and there are some top-notch resources that you can’t get in Logos. But it’s still generally accepted that this is one of Logos’ strongest points - and the text formatting/layout is generally excellent.
PC/Mac app - Olive Tree can more than hold it’s own on mobile, but when you get to PC/Mac apps dealing with serious academic study, Olive Tree is somewhat underdeveloped - they’ve always been a mobile-first company, and keep their features restricted to what’s going to be most useful to the average user’s average bible study - which is fine, but it’s less powerful in some meaningful ways.
just misinformed - your pastor might purely have made his statement based purely on reputation over the years/limited exposure. Logos is a fine recommendation but so is Olive Tree and he might simply not be aware of just how good the competition is.

Leonard Madison

The reason why he said that Logos Is the tool to use was because thats what they used in similarly.

question: 1. How do you open split screen with two different bible versions?

2. While in parallel view is there a way to modify the translations?

After spending more more time with the app i’ve found the link for “Video Training” I’ll spend some time with that and see if I can figure things out when I get more time.

Thanks for for the help

Matthew Huerta

Realizing this is an old thread, I will add that Logos is not what it used to be, and I recently tried the Olive Tree software just to see what it's like. What I found is that for everyday ordinary lay-person study, there is absolutely no reason to spend the bucks and be stuck in the endless updating nightmare that is Logos. The company that bought Logos has ruined what it once was, and the only reason to purchase it is if you truly need high powered ability to search multiple publications at once for super in-depth study.

I am pleasantly surprised at the Olive Tree software these days, and I wouldn't buy Logos again.

DMB

The company that bought Logos has ruined what it once was ...

It was sad, the day Libronix got purchased by those awful Bellingham boys. Actually, it's the same guys from the start ... they rename themselves every few years.

More seriously, Olivetree seems to have kept their eye on the ball. Logos fancied up (as is their policy). Any hint of simplicity gets removed quickly. Accordance seems to be inching along. Their latest update finally allows a little library flexibility.

Bryan Sherwood

Honestly, I own both and prefer using OliveTree over Logos. Does Logos have more features? Yes. But I prefer a simpler interface and I find OliveTree does everything I need. I was justing using it to prep for a 1 Peter Study I'm leading and have enjoyed using OliveTree.

Matthew Davis

I can see it's an old post, but it still appears very much active. Prior to Logos Bible Software, I was an Olive Tree Bible person. I used it on my tablets, phones, laptops and desktops. I actually very much enjoyed Olive Tree, but having gone to Logos, I will never go back.

Immediately, the ability with Logos to customize your layout gives, in my opinion, so much in the study environment. On the phone, the multiple tabs, with most supporting Multiview is extremely helpful. In addition, settings books on different tabs to continue to scroll with you in your main Bible is phenomenal. On desktop, Olive Tree cannot come close to touching what Logos can do.

When it comes to searches, Logos is light years ahead of what Olive Tree can do. From searching exact phrases, to fuzzy phrases... To searches that include proximity, for example "fear WITHIN 5 WORDS not," or "Sabbath WITHIN 10 WORDS holy." I love to make use of the proximity searches. In addition, searching for Lemmas and Roots within Logos is far advanced to anything Olive Tree can do. While searching, I love that I can search the Old Testament, or the New Testament, just the Gospels, or any individual book.

The Word Study in Logos is supreme compared to Olive Tree - while you can run word searches in Olive Tree, the tools Logos provides in way of translations, senses, looking up the subject of the word and so on I find more helpful.

Then there is the Logos factbook - There is nothing, truly, to compare that too with Olive Tree.

I find the note taking features of Logos, along with the clippings and highlighting tools to far outweigh that of Olive Tree.

Then, from a preachers perspective, the preaching tools, sermon writer, preaching mode, etc. gives so much value compared to Olive Tree... At the end of the day, Logos is a better tool in every way to Olive Tree, with a caveat, that is, if you are a serious Bible student. I would not recommend Logos to someone who gets lost and confused easily using technology, nor would I recommend Logos to someone who doesn't seriously intend to study the Word of God.

Now, can someone study the Word seriously using Olive Tree? Absolutely - there are thousands who have come before us who were serious students of the Bible and had nothing in the means of technology. Yes, you can study with Olive Tree, or with E-Sword, or with a physical copy of the Bible. Do I believe your study can progress much further using Logos, absolutely. I can attest to that as someone who has found so much value in this software.

Mark Griffin

My main gripe is with the Logos mobile functionality. It’s not as good as OT. In Logos many resources don’t follow the main resource. Neither does the split screen. The passage guide does not follow the chapter/verse of the bible you are reading. You have to manually enter. All these are standard in the OT mobile app, which makes OT far more pleasant a d quicker to use on a phone or tablet.

Logos desktop is indeed more powerful and it’s search function far better than OT but OT on a desktop is still a better visual experience.

DMB

My main gripe is with the Logos mobile functionality. It’s not as good as OT. In Logos many resources don’t follow the main resource.

I really wonder if the issue is in their (FL's) 'milestones' design (straight out of the Roman Empire). Even the desktop struggles, where the panel sizes are small, and the verse matching can be off quite a bit. If you're not directly in the milestone zone, it doesn't know where you are. Then on mobile, it just doesn't know where you are, period. Basic design.

It's certainly a cute design, though.

voltony

Mark,

I couldn’t agree more. II use both Logos and OT on my iPad, iPhone and Mac. OT is to me definitely more pleasing to the eye, especially on the iPad. A huge factor personally is having been fortunate enough to collect over 300 resources in OT compared to about 40 in Logos. I like them both for the resources I own in each but probably use OT close to 80% of the time. It’s taken years to get there but the number and quality definitely plays a role in which one I use most. OT does a good job marketing great resources with descent discounts, for instance, today the special is their Fall Sale Deal with discounts up to 70% off. You can really get some sweet deals and build a large resource library this way. It’s taken me longer to build my library with Logos but there are resources in each that the other doesn’t have. I’m sure most everyone prefers one over the other for various reasons. I’m thankful The Lord has blessed us with so many ways to get fed His Word daily!

God bless all my brothers and sisters in Christ here on Logos!
His Spirit is at work!