Logos 8 Wishlist
What's on your Logos 8 wishlist? It could be fixing an annoying bug, refining a feature you rely on every day, or creating a brand new feature that would address a problem you encounter on a regular basis (but currently have to turn to something outside of Logos to solve).
To think of it another way, what problems would you like to see us solve? They could be problems we're already solving, but need to solve better. Or they could be problems we're currently not solving at all.
What are the most important things we should address to make Logos a better tool for you?
Your feedback doesn't need to be limited to the desktop app. Feel free to include web and mobile feedback as well.
If you've written up feedback in other threads, please link to them here so we can have everything in one place.
Thanks!
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- Google shouldn't be able to find Bible text better than my Logos Platinum
- Get logs out of Documents. I've had to modify security permissions to prevent Logos from logging there and keeping OneDrive busy and triggering conflicts when I move between desktop, laptop, and Surface
- Memorization tool based on Leitner's spaced repetition
- I may want a resource to be included in multi-view in one layout, but not in another.
- I may want the text size of a resource to be smaller in one layout than in another, simply because less space is allocated to the resource in one layout than another.
- I may want one form of interlinear display used in one layout, but a different form (or no interlinear at all) in another layout.
- I may want different visual filters for a resource in one layout than in another, based on the purpose of the layout.
- How about ability to add images to notes?
- Also would like to be able to have more control over import / export features from notes (i.e. I want to search on highlight x, then move all those highlights to new custom note file blah.... which I'll share with my congregation).
- ability to tell ios/android devices to index (even if takes massive storage) lexicons etc. so no need to be online to do morpho lookups or definition lookups
- A Layout consists of several Resources.
- Each Resource can accept a DataType to navigate it.
- If I’m in another Layout, and right-click on an open Resource’s Tab it must then list all Layouts that can accept this Resource’s DataType
- When I click on the Layout it should send this DataType to the first appropriate Resource in that Layout for navigation
- The Result is streamlined Layouts were I can navigate between them without loosing my intended position. This will enable the user for instance to create Layouts that Represent steps in a Bible Study Method or Sermon Preparation cycle and to navigate between them without getting lost.
- This could be optimized by storing the Layouts in History for easy backward and forward navigation
- Add a Program Settings option to always transliterate Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic/Syriac words when copying to the clipboard. This would run the foreign language text through the Text Converter tool before it puts it on the clipboard. It can be done now by copying and pasting into the Text Converter tool, but this would but out a step.
- Add a Program Settings option to display foreign language words in transliteration on the menus and possibly in the resources.
- A much improved ranking algorithm. The current one (number of hits/article length) is much too basic.
- Spelling correction suggestions.
- A visual indicator when Logos can't understand our keywords.
- Proximity keywords to span verse/article boundaries.
- Optionally, automatic synonym/alternative spellings search.
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Yes I am aware of this, but this content that is marked for the speaker does not show up on the slide. Correct? For me to be able to use the sermon editor, I need to be able to have a list of bullets. The backgrounds are also clunky in my mind and a bit difficult to work with, but that just be because the overall program is slow.I would very much like the sermon editor greatly improved. There is hardly any formatting that can be done in it. It basically serves as a way to only create title slides. Because of this, I never use it.Just checking if you are aware of the speaker styles capability
Also, I often use the notes feature for my sermons to make outlines. I wish the outlining was more robust with roman numerals, capital letters, etc.
1. I'd love a Reverse Interlinear for the JPS Tanakh 1985! Would be nice to have it for the CEB as well...and the REB. [:)]
2. Make opening resources from the command box faster. It seems to be getting slower and slower.
3. Make it easier to move or copy notes from one note file to another, and to merge note files together.
4. Allow me to pin my most used/favorite Interactive tools to the Tools menu, and to change the order in which they appear. Right now they're listed in whatever order Logos decided to list them, and then I have to click on "All interactive resources" to see the ones I actually use.
5. Fix the Home screen so that I can use the touchscreen on my laptop to scroll up and down. When I try to use the touchscreen it tries to select all the text on the Home screen. As others have said, make the software generally touchscreen friendly.
6. Allow me to jump directly to a lemma's morphology chart from the right-click menu.
7. Change the layout of the morphology charts to match the Mounce paradigm layout (at least for nouns). (gender across the top, cases down the side, group all singular together, group all plural together). The current layout seems completely backward and unintuitive, and you have to scroll horizontally or open a floating window (at least on my 14inch screen) to see the whole chart.
4. Allow me to pin my most used/favorite Interactive tools to the Tools menu, and to change the order in which they appear. Right now they're listed in whatever order Logos decided to list them, and then I have to click on "All interactive resources" to see the ones I actually use.
5. Fix the Home screen so that I can use the touchscreen on my laptop to scroll up and down. When I try to use the touchscreen it tries to select all the text on the Home screen. As others have said, make the software generally touchscreen friendly.
That would be good
Add the ability to set Logos to load a QuickStart layout at start-up. Right now you can only load a saved layout. I would like to open my Logos to the Lectionary Reading layout for today's reading. If I save the Lectionary Reading layout as a saved layout, it will open to the day of when I saved it.
I don't know if this was mentioned:
1. Have the ability to use the "read aloud" feature with Spanish resources
2. Being able to use some of the interactive resources on my iPad such as the Psalms Explorer, and the Greek and Hebrew Tutor.
1. Have the ability to use the "read aloud" feature with Spanish resources
There are two distinct “read aloud” features. The first is an “audiobook.” As long as the audiobook purchased is in Spanish, it will obviously read in Spanish. The other feature is “robotic” and depends upon your operating system‘s “spoken text” abilities. If your computer system is natively Spanish, it should read aloud in Spanish!
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Agreed. That feature would be great so that resources that are dynamic in nature (i.e. daily reading list/devotional) could stay current if desired or remain at last completed location depending on option for startup. This would be more of a feature that would be part of opening the resource or reading plan though rather than something tied to the layout in my mind.
Sorry lost the quote for @Kiyah's post:
Add the ability to set Logos to load a QuickStart layout at start-up. Right now you can only load a saved layout. I would like to open my Logos to the Lectionary Reading layout for today's reading. If I save the Lectionary Reading layout as a saved layout, it will open to the day of when I saved it.
Please add nested hyperlink alternative syntax to Personal Book Compiler (allow surface text to have more than one schema:reference): e.g.
[[Christ >> Lemma:lbs/el/Χριστός >> LogosMorphGr:NGSM >> GreekStrongs:g5547 >> LouwNida:LN93.387]]
Follow-up to threads => Personal Book Builder and Interlinear Texts Question and => Creating an interlinear Bible that linked to thread => Leonberger Bibel als PB where a Java utility was used to convert LibreOffice (+) hyperlinks to Word nested hyperlinks.
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Ability to create an interlinear Bible as a Personal Book with all of the necessary links to other books.
Currently: Click on a foot note to read it, or to click on references.
While one corner of the footnote when opened points to the footnote number or letter...
[Wish List]: ...it would be convenient for the footnote number or letter (in this case the "q") to remain highlighted until other text is clicked on so as to not lose where you left off.
- Create and Enable "Use Download First."
- If an audio resource like ESV, or a video lesson has been downloaded to device, if device is not connected to the internet, or if user has selected "Use Download First," Logos would first look for the audio / video on the device.
This would allow the resource to be used 1) while off line / out of cell range 2) to minimize data usage and prevent over-charge for those on a cell plan rather than unlimited hard-wire connection.
Shalom Y'all
- Create and Enable "Use Download First."
- If an audio resource like ESV, or a video lesson has been downloaded to device, if device is not connected to the internet, or if user has selected "Use Download First," Logos would first look for the audio / video on the device.Shalom Y'all
OTOH - If the resource is downloaded, if connected or not, Logos would first use the download to prevent multiple downloads and data usage.
Follow-up to thread => Logos 6 Timeline tool: Can I sort chonologically and/or group by categories I define?
In the Logos 6 Timeline tool, is there a way I can sort items chronologically. Sometimes I would like to view all items in a chronological waterfall to see time dependencies/connections, but items in the timeline are typically a bit interspersed, time wise.
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See this user suggestion and the comment about making it easier to assign linksets.
I would like to see user-adjustable margins for reading resources.
For me, having a some more white space on either side helps me focus on the text.It would also be nice to have more white space to rest the mouse pointer in while scrolling to prevent tool-tips from popping up and distracting me.
I'd like a Preaching Planning Calendar integrated into the Sermon Editor Tool.
This has probably already been requested by now... but the ability to import Sermons from .docx files in order to have them searchable under "my content."
This has probably already been requested by now... but the ability to import Sermons from .docx files in order to have them searchable under "my content."
Not sure, if you know that you can already import sermons as personal books. See this page for details: https://wiki.logos.com/Sermon_and_Illustration_Support (and this one for more general information about personal books: https://wiki.logos.com/personal_books in case you need it).
1. In guides....when a hyperlink appears include the option to include the section, definition or article in-line. This would allow a single seamless research document. As things stand when you hit a link in the passage or exegetical guide you open the resources, from which you presumably cut/paste notes into the notes section of the guide....why not just pull it in in the first place.
2 In concordance....columns for additional resources....I'm getting ready to preach from John so I have a concordance document set up to analyze statistics just in John.... What if??? I could add a column for Matthew, Or the synoptics, or 1 John. The Concordance tool because of how it addresses and compiles data is the first step to better integrated data analysis and visualization.
Parallel alignment of the Greek words (not just pericopes) in Aland's Synopsis of the Four Gospels. Some years ago (Logos 4? Logos 5?) it was possible to set Burton's Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels to Greek to disclose the varying word, clause, and sentence orders within parallel pericopes. An English example is Throckmorton's Gospel Parallels which appears to be no longer available.
Parallel alignment of the Greek words (not just pericopes) in Aland's Synopsis of the Four Gospels.Yes!
The utility of the print edition is considerably greater than the Logos digital edition due to the alignment between Greek (and English) words.
This is different than your request, but the Parallel Gospel Reader interactive can highlight matching words (dynamically). It only supports English texts at present: but you can select Aland's Synopsis (in English) at the top, hover over a word in one column, and the matching words in the other columns are highlighted.
You can also link this panel to another panel (like Aland's Greek synopsis): that won't show highlights, but it will at least scroll to the right position.
Word-level alignment of the Gospels is on our internal wishlist as well.
Although I have MW11, CED, and COED prioritized, often MW10 pops up when a word is double clicked, although that word is in MW11. This needs fixed.
Option for a keyboard keystroke to start OR pause [Ctrl / Cmd+R] when reading aloud is enabled. Normally space bar = page-down. When reading aloud, space bar could (should) be enabled to be used for pause/restart, as in VLC player. This would be very handy.
Also while reading aloud there is a much-too-long-pause between chapters when on iPhone HotSpot. Sometimes I must hit pause then play more than twice to restart after chapter pause.
This reiterates the need to have ESV, for example, to be downloaded to device [I have plenty of room] to prevent such long pauses and use up limited data plan. [DLO = DownLoadOnce].
Logos Phrasebook
Right click on a word and an option is “Look up.” But when two words together are highlighted “Look up” is not an option: e.g. rex socius [A History of the New Testament Times...]. This is another example of words or phrases in Logos resources that should be defined within a Logos dictionary or Phrasebook without requiring “outside assistance.” Words not found in any Logos dictionary or encyclopedia should be included in this Phrasebook. (what's in Logos should be defined within Logos).
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“hic noster Hierosolymarius”
(https://ref.ly/logosres/hsnttmsjss?ref=VolumePage.V+1%2c+p+210&off=39)
For Logos to be more useful would be for phrases like this to be found in a Logos Phrasebook. I have spent a few futile minutes with no success to find a definition on the web or in Logos. Any and all words or phrases in Logos should be defined therein. Undefined words and phrases leaves the understanding incomplete - unacceptable for what we spend on Logos.
[New discoveries like this goes into my Note file "New Words and Phrases" for future reference
Mobile annoyance => Merry Christmas, Copy and Paste with References is Here!
Mobile User Voice suggestion from Apr 2013 has 77 votes (# 17 overall) => https://logosmobile.uservoice.com/forums/190765-logos-mobile-apps/suggestions/3808513-copy-paste-with-reference-so-when-posting-the
Noticed some mobile suggestions with fewer votes have been started.
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I would like a program option for ALL RESOURCE SETTINGS to be LAYOUT SPECIFIC.
This may well have already been requested (perhaps by me [*-)]), but by the very nature of what a layout is and the purpose it serves, it seems only logical to me that resource settings should be layout specific--or ...at least have an option to work that way in program settings.
WHY? Here are just a couple of reasons.
I wish Visual copy for Personal book.
This has long been possible. If you are having troubles with it, please create a new thread and provide appropriate details
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Hi, not sure this thread is still alive and kicking, but ...
Many great suggestions especially the scrolling popup!
My two cents ...
Add a master link - others have called it a master sync.
Reason being is Multiview is too limited if you're working with many resources - you don't want all the resources open but you do want quick access. In my case I use dual large monitors and typically have about 30 resources tabbed. I want everything synced to my bible verse and only update when the verse changes. As it stands now, anytime I scroll in one of the commentaries or other resources ALL other windows scroll. If I click on a commentary where that particular book is missing from the series (frequently happens) then all resources will jump to the wrong book (whatever was last active on that resource) and I have to go back to my bible resource to reset to the desired verse.
Of course, I want to scroll in the commentaries at will, but only need everything to sync when the bible verse changes.
Add a master link - others have called it a master sync.
Yes, please add the ability to designate any (and any number of) resources in a link-set as a slave, as well as the ability to set a single resource as the master (effectively making all others 'slaves'). Any resource would have 3 values Master/Default/Slave.
With the set use ngen to yes entered in the command box Logos loads within 10 secs. I still find that Logos loads very slow (1 min+) after entering the command in the box if I start Logos some time later or the next day. Apparently the command works only if used immediately. Load time is as much as 1 minute of more. Can the "Set use Ngen to Yes" command be incorporated into Logos 8 so it works every time Logos is opened?
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The following uservoice suggestion (that I created nearly three years ago!) is still at the top of my wishlist.
I realize there have been small steps made since the creation of the suggestion, but I would really like to see it become full-fledged enough to support combining morph, nikkud, and te-amim searches. Also I want to see it using the UI of the morph search rather than the Syntax search.
Here's another item on my wish list:
I would really like to be able to add system and/or custom icons. Additionally (and perhaps more importantly), I would like to see the ability to add popover buttons (folders) into which I could drag my shortcuts. This would provide a lot more space on the shortcut bar since a person could have one popover for all books he/she is currently reading, one popover for all system preference shortcuts, etc, etc...
This cannot be a programming difficulty unless I'm seriously mistaken. Please, please give us the ability to declutter!!
Need Apple pen support. This would help a great deal in note taking
Hi Phil,
Here are 3 areas I would like to see change in version 8.
1. As many others have already mentioned Touch support for the desktop application. My primary device that I carry with me everywhere is an 8 inch Windows 10 tablet (HP Pro Tablet 608 G1). The touch in the current version works well for me in most scenarios but it is still only half-baked when you wouldn't expect it to be. Everything touch enabled in version 8 would be great.
2. In regards to running on an 8 inch tablet with a large library (about 68gb footprint on an 128gb hard drive) I regurlary run into re-indexing issues due to space constraints. Because I'm primarily using the tablet for reading and light study I don't need all of my resources installed locally and constantly being updated and reindexed with every update. I would therefore like to propose a Limited Storage Mode for the desktop app for scenarios like my own. The Limited Storage Mode would treat resources similarly to the way they are handled with iOS devices in that resources are all available but not all stored locally by default. I would have to instruct a resource to download locally (just like the iOS resources) in order to cache it on my local drive. I realize I'm probably in the minority for having such a large library but this issue actually keeps me from buying more resources since at some point my tablet will become unusable due to the size of my library growing beyond capacity. I was hoping with the proliferation of smaller form windows tablets a few years back that they would by now offer tablets with more RAM and higher capacity storage. Quite the opposite has happened though and most OEM's seem to have pulled back from this market and capacity has actually shrunk for the most part. Anyway, the bottom line is it would be nice to have a Limited Storage Mode for the desktop app so it could "fit" on practically any Windows device. I know there is an option to hide resources but that would hide them from every device I own and would be annoying when I'm studying with Logos on my power desktop with "unlimited resources."
3. Lastly I would hope that the desktop app UI be modernized, simplified and allow for customization. Simplification could be handled by providing a more configurable settings page so that features that are seldom used except in more academic scenarios could only be turned on when needed. The UI itself seems a little long in the tooth, though in some areas it has a more modern feel. Those inconsistencies also show up as previously mentioned about the touch interface. It would be nice to have every interaction with the UI behave in a well thought out and consistent manner. As far as customization I don't have any suggestions per se other than perhaps giving us a little more control over context menus, main menu items, and toolbars and sorting.
All that being said the Logos desktop app in it's current version is truly a well designed, powerful and helpful app for research and studying God's word when you invest the time to learn it's features. It took me a while but it was well worth the time.
Thank you Logos for your commitment to helping us in our endeavor to "rightly divide the word of truth."
Sincerely,
William
1. As many others have already mentioned Touch support for the desktop application.
We'll post any news about improvements to touch support to this suggestion: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/619605-focus-on-tablet-and-touchscreen-features
2. In regards to running on an 8 inch tablet with a large library (about 68gb footprint on an 128gb hard drive) I regurlary run into re-indexing issues due to space constraints.
Updates will be posted here: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/5751660-install-only-selected-resources-to-save-disk-space
Mobile ed videos does not properly download to my macbook (model from last year). I wish that the interface of the mobile ed on the macbook would be similar to that in my ipad- there is clear indication if the videos are downloaded properly.
Quite a hassle to travel with both devices or just with my macbook to discover the videos are not downloaded properly and need a wifi . Or with my iPad and can't access the text and videos at the same time.
Thanks,
Jit
Wish: the return of full color customization. I am a legally blind pastor who has been on Logos 3 for a very long time. I went to upgrade (at long last) to Logos 7 today, but contrary to what I was told, discovered that while the color of books can still be adjusted, most of the other screens are now hard coded black text on white background. Unfortunately, any significant white background will cause my eyes to fatigue in about 5 minutes. While I was thankful for the refund, sadly, for me, the current version of Logos software is quite unusable. As long as my very old secondary XP computer functions I will have Logos, but when it dies, that will be that (newer computer is Windows 7).
3. Lastly I would hope that the desktop app UI be modernized, simplified and allow for customization. Simplification could be handled by providing a more configurable settings page so that features that are seldom used except in more academic scenarios could only be turned on when needed. The UI itself seems a little long in the tooth, though in some areas it has a more modern feel. Those inconsistencies also show up as previously mentioned about the touch interface. It would be nice to have every interaction with the UI behave in a well thought out and consistent manner. As far as customization I don't have any suggestions per se other than perhaps giving us a little more control over context menus, main menu items, and toolbars and sorting.
Thanks for suggesting this William. I agree that a simplified, customizable UI is urgently needed.
I would very much like to see a single mouse click option which would hide the resource panel toolbar and other panel elements on either side of it. This would increase reading space, eliminate toolbar clutter, and hide any distracting toolbar button while maintaining the functionality of the toolbar and other hidden panel elements only one click away.
I also believe an option is needed to individually hide any resource panel toolbar button which is visually distracting, seldom used, or routinely accessed through another means such as a context menu or the resource panel menu.
An example of a visually distracting toolbar button in my opinion is the Multiview Resources button which was so distracting to my eyes as I tried to focus on resource text below it that I had to return the Full Feature Set.
The following link is to a reply I previously submitted to this thread reflecting several specific UI customization requests (including but not limited to the two mentioned above). https://community.logos.com/forums/p/148421/927928.aspx#927928
Just one more wishlist item, which is a follow-up to thread => Sentence Diagram - Text Flow Settings with New UserVoice Suggestion => Sentence Diagramming: Bible Text Only
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Speed. Despite what my profile says below, I am now on a Macbook Pro (2014) with plenty of power. Everything is mostly instant now, but...
The homepage takes so long to populate. It is so frustrating. Another one is trying to pull up the verse of the day graphic.
Resize bug. This has been a known issue for years on Mac and nothing. When I restart my computer, and then reopen Logos, it is either a tiny square, or half off the screen to the side. Smart guys like you should have that figured out by now! [:D]
Resource hiding. Since I have bought packages along the way, my library is cluttered up with Monographs. I have no use for them in the program. BUT... some of them look interesting enough to read and I would like to read them in Faithlife Ebooks. But if I hide them in Logos desktop, they are gone there too.
Similarly, I would like to hide everything except Bibles and Monographs in Faithlife Ebooks. It seems like that would have to be done online on a special page but you fellas can figure that out!
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I would really love to see better lectionary integration. I have the weekly RCL passages on my home screen. I would love to be able to click it and have my lectionary commentaries open to the correct passages, suggested liturgies, songs, etc. This kind of integration would work well for so many of us, and make lectionary preaching so much easier!
I'm really with you here Nick.
Faithlife would do well to refocus on the less academic uses for the program.
I am constantly surprised by the blindness they have to the number of ministers on their books for whom the Lectionary is by necessity a major tool in their ministry and the lack of support provided.
While I raise the traditional 'Hear Hear' let me walk away muttering 'reading plans' mumble mumble, 'projects' mumble mumble....
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I would really love to see better lectionary integration. I have the weekly RCL passages on my home screen. I would love to be able to click it and have my lectionary commentaries open to the correct passages, suggested liturgies, songs, etc. This kind of integration would work well for so many of us, and make lectionary preaching so much easier!I so agree. The materials are all there, so it just seems that some programming and workflow design (maybe some additional tagging) is all that is required to take lectionary reading to the next level. As Faithlife wants to have the community element, it would seem for some churches and groups this would be a natural springboard.
As Faithlife wants to have the community element, it would seem for some churches and groups this would be a natural springboard.
Definitely! RCL preachers constantly compare notes and ideas. I'm in a RCL email list and two Facebook groups.
Interactive media under tools lists 10 of the interactive media and if you want to see more, you need to click all interactive media which then brings up a window. I would like to see all interactive media in the drop down menu. I would like to see also the ability for users to create drop down menus
And a Mobile Ed course maybe a season (Advent, Epiphany, Lent) that spans the three years of readings, with generous helpings of "how to" videos interspersed with the lectures.
Along with an apologeia of why reading the Bible using the lectionary is not "just another Bible reading plan" but shows connections in texts and promotes the Church seeing the year not through Hallmark time but Christian time.
Rober Webber has passed away, he would have been the perfect lecturer, but Thomas Oden or James Hart would be great as well.
1) Allow user to change tray icon and start up splash screen. [e.g. change to a menorah (aka KJV "candlestick" SEE He 9:2) which agrees with Re 1:12. Others, such as Pentecostals, Charismatics, etc. may prefer a dove symbol. While Paul preached the cross, other aspects are equally valid to many.
For Hebrews believers and others, He is seen standing amongst menorahs ("lamp-stands") indicating Victory, rather than a Pre-Resurrection/Ascension/Enthronement/Outpouring death instrument.
2) Rt-click on tray icon to display a few recent layouts, similar to many programs/apps displaying recently opened files.
3) In iOS when it prompts for password after reading for a while, allow to proceed reading if password is not then available. Password is needed to sign in to update highlights etc. User may not be online, or password may be available when user returns home or has access to password in a different location - I don't have all passwords on device. Currently, requiring password when not available shuts down Logos.
Respectfully .. One GungHo Logos User!! - Jude 3, 4
Follow-up to thread => BUGS/BAD DESIGN: Mark resource as read is observation that reset of Reading progress does not clear "wear" locations in resource. Hence dreaming of way to reset automatic bookmarks from previous reading.
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Just two things on my wishlist:
1) Speed improvements: in both the indexing and navigation department.
2) Maps. Bringing Carta stuff in would be a plus. But at minimum, the atlas needs a revamp. Basic actions such as zooming in/out + dragging map around can be quite slow.
Please address long-standing bugs like this, that go back over four years.
Bible Word Study is one of the gems of Logos. It should receive enough attention to ensure that its translation wheels show the same information, regardless of operating system.
Thank you!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
What's on your Logos 8 wishlist?
Send-to-Kindle.
Do whatever you need to do to fix the "technical, legal, and permission issues" you had in 2016!
We need an easy way to read our Logos books on an e-ink device!
What's on your Logos 8 wishlist?
Send-to-Kindle.
Do whatever you need to do to fix the "technical, legal, and permission issues" you had in 2016!
We need an easy way to read our Logos books on an e-ink device!
Yes!
We need an easy way to read our Logos books on an e-ink device!
This would be amazing
The ability to show your calendar devotional in the left sidebar of the homepage. If this is too radical, then the ability to show only ONE calendar devotional (ONE only!) in the content section of the homepage (I don't know about other people but I only use one devotional at a time, not five!).
I would like to be able to Preserve the Active Resource's DataType between Layouts.
What I’m thinking of is straight forward but kind of difficult to explain:
I would really like to see the various Hebrew language OT bibles have wrap ability instead of only 1 verse per line capability.
This works for other languages, and it also works for the Hebrew New Testament (a user reported in the forums). For those of us who spend a lot of time in the Hebrew it sure would be nice to have that option for more text and not all the white space.
thanks,
-Jeremiah
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Hi, I love Logos, but it's speed still frustrates me.I would love to see some work done on optimizing code and making things a little snappier. With a large collection of books, some searches take an inordinate amount of time.
Hi James
With a large collection of books, some searches take an inordinate amount of time.
Can you start a new thread outlining the issues you are seeing?
While there are performance issues - which have improved recently - it may be something specific to do with your system or the searches you are running that cause the performance issue you are seeing and it would be good to explore it
Graham
I would really like to see a "Send Guide Links here" option added to the resource menu. See the Screencast to understand why this would be such an awesome little feature. In the demo I'm obviously just randomly selecting commentaries, but it serves to demonstrate my preferred setup for general Bible study. Of course if I want to actually open a copy of another commentary WITHOUT replacing the current one, I could drag-n-drop from the guide.
I would like to see this collection available in a Logos 8 collection, somewhere in the Silver to Gold range. Thanks.
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Also, I'd like to see P. Oxy in an L8 collection, probably in the Diamond to Portfolio range. It's not something I need, but I'd like to have it.
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Things are getting a little confusing. Library needs an indicator of what is owned, rented, temporary with expiry date. I have a resource good for a month, or six months, but not knowing duration they may go away unused. Some would consider this 'poor stewardship.'
Rather than a temporary resource expiring 30 days / six months from download, the 'countdown' should begin with first use.
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Base Package View
One feature that would be nice would be a view where I could see Collections, Libraries and Base Packages I have purchased over the years... it would be good if this included the artwork used to market these resource on the site.
Here is an example.
it would be good if these collections with marketing artwork came as standard when a base package is purchased.
Badges and Achievements
Another cool feature would be Badges and Achievements. A place where we could go an view completed courses, base package purchases, read books, status achievements etc - basically some gamification.
Productivity Reports / Dashboard
It would be good to be able to run productivity reports for set periods like the last week, month or year and comparisons like year 1 vs year 2 etc
Just realised I already mentioned a lot of this three years ago in 2015 on uservoice https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/9337287-user-summary-banner-badges-and-dashboard
Family Sub-User Accounts
I have a beautiful wife and two great kids (7 and 3), I would love for them to use Logos too but in their own way.
It would be great if the application allowed sub-users, maybe 5 for each master account so Kids etc can use logos and have their own set of notes and layouts etc without accidentally deleting mine 
.
Apple and Microsoft have similar features to this.
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I originally posted the above to UserVoice a few years back... kids will be 10 and 7 this year... God is good.
Two requests regarding transliteration of foreign language text to enhance the usability of the program and resources for those who don't know Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac, Arabic, etc.
The first is more important, but the other would be helpful to many, I am sure.
Add a Program Settings option to display foreign language words in transliteration on the menus and possibly in the resources.
Maybe also an opposite option is needed: to hide transliteration/transcription if the resource has both.
Even better if it could reverse transliterate the text to the original script, if the text has the transliteration/transcription only. May need some artificial and original intelligence, but could be an interesting project.[H]
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Add a Program Settings option to always transliterate Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic/Syriac words when copying to the clipboard. This would run the foreign language text through the Text Converter tool before it puts it on the clipboard.
My preference would be to rather:
1) Add the ability to specify a default IN the text converter. I'd specifically want the ability to input "וָשָׁ֑יִת" and have "וָשָׁיִת (wāšāyiṯ)" as the output. This is the text with cantillation marks removed followed by a transliteration in parentheses.
2) Add a "copy converted" option to the context menu for non-Roman selected text. This would take the value set as the default in the text converter (whether that's a single conversion or multiple) and put that into the clipboard.
This would be extremely valuable when writing papers where the user wishes to show both original and transliterated texts in a consistently formatted manner. Currently, to achieve this, one needs to 1) copy the original, 2) paste into the converter, 3) copy one transliteration from the converter, 4) paste into a document, 5) type opening parenthesis, 6) copy the second transliteration, 7) paste into the document, 8) type the closing parenthesis! This is an unduly arduous process!
Add a Program Settings option to always transliterate Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic/Syriac words when copying to the clipboard. This would run the foreign language text through the Text Converter tool before it puts it on the clipboard.My preference would be to rather:
1) Add the ability to specify a default IN the text converter. I'd specifically want the ability to input "וָשָׁ֑יִת" and have "וָשָׁיִת (wāšāyiṯ)" as the output. This is the text with cantillation marks removed followed by a transliteration in parentheses.
2) Add a "copy converted" option to the context menu for non-Roman selected text. This would take the value set as the default in the text converter (whether that's a single conversion or multiple) and put that into the clipboard.
This would be extremely valuable when writing papers where the user wishes to show both original and transliterated texts in a consistently formatted manner. Currently, to achieve this, one needs to 1) copy the original, 2) paste into the converter, 3) copy one transliteration from the converter, 4) paste into a document, 5) type opening parenthesis, 6) copy the second transliteration, 7) paste into the document, 8) type the closing parenthesis! This is an unduly arduous process!
This would be a very useful enhancement for the Text Converter. It would be a time saver for writers for sure. Perhaps it could include the ability to edit a custom style like the Copy Bible Verses tool.
can we have "sort by verses" in search queries?
For example, I have 4 books by a certain author, I want to see all his comments on the book of Isaiah. Search yields over 600 verses he references across his works. There seems no way to order the chapters and verses from the resultant search. Here's a thread where we talk about it in more detail.
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I would like a visual filter for diacritical markings, as my Cambridge Bibles have in them to aid pronunciation of names.
Sometimes when I make a note, I will have two markings for the same note in the resource where the note is made. This has never been resolved for me. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/105069/726708.aspx#726708
Searching in Logos sucks!!!!! So much easier to do a Google Search and then come back to Logos, why can't your simply make a search intelligent???
So much easier to do a Google Search and then come back to Logos, why can't your simply make a search intelligent???
I agree that sometimes it is simpler to use Google... but there is a reason why google is google and no one else is.
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So much easier to do a Google Search and then come back to Logos, why can't your simply make a search intelligent???
Please provide search examples; would like to try replicating Google searches in Logos. Annoying searches would be appreciated (to show what intelligent search is desired).
Caveat: Logos search can be better targeted than Google. Thankful for Logos search assistant that offers many suggestions (albeit can dream of customization since lack desire for all suggestions: e.g. for Word search, usually lack interest in more words while lemmas and roots are often interesting).
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So much easier to do a Google Search and then come back to Logos, why can't your simply make a search intelligent???
Our basic search reflects a different era, when searches were precise and searchers (often) knew boolean logic... Google has taught us all to just 'ask the Internet', and we need to adapt, while keeping our specialized capabilities for the scenarios where they make sense. (Google can't find cultural concepts or words by morphology...)
One of the biggest changes is how Google / the web have caused people to become more tolerant of false-positives, used to never looking at/working with all the results, and okay with results that don't contain any of the terms but are still 'correct'. (Of course these are things that often make Google a terrible solution for scholarly work, like, say, writing a grammar... where you want to find exactly the thing you searched for, and nothing else.)
I'd love to hear some specific suggestions on what queries you like at Google / don't like in Logos, and how you'd like us to change things.
I'd love to hear some specific suggestions on what queries you like at Google / don't like in Logos, and how you'd like us to change things.
Hi Bob,
I think it would be good to have an additional "Quick Search" feature that could mimic Google-style results, maybe a development of the Fuzzy search where result come up with the caveat that a different search algorithm has been used so expect false positives after the first few results.
If Natual Linguistic Programming is included (basic AI) the "Quick Seach" would get used to the way we search and even our typos.
Another path may be to use some sort of API to quickly search on the internet via Logos if that's what people want, but I really think we want to search our libraries so the former would be preferable.
I think it would be good to have an additional "Quick Search" feature that could mimic Google-style results, maybe a development of the Fuzzy search where result come up with the caveat that a different search algorithm has been used so expect false positives after the first few results.
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(Of course these are things that often make Google a terrible solution for scholarly work, like, say, writing a grammar... where you want to find exactly the thing you searched for, and nothing else.)
Most of the time I use Google I'm either delighted because it's corrected my lousy spelling (yay for artificial intelligence), or cursing that I have to manually but it in Verbatim mode because it thinks it knows what I want (boo to artificial intelligence).
The lesson is that AI is incredibly hard, and I personally don't want Logos trying to do that. (If Apple can't pull it off with Siri, Faithlife won't be able to.) What I think we need for search to be improved is simple to explain, if harder to implement:
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[Y] Agreed, Mark! The only thing I would add to your list is:
6. A cleaner UI results page, both esthetically (more google like) and in what shows up in the results. Especially in an "all resource" search, often the "headings" and "descriptions" of the results page don't give me enough information to know what that result is talking about.
Proximity keywords to span verse/article boundaries.
Yes, please. The fact that people expect that, and need to periodically ask why results aren't returning certain verses is a problem.
Forcing people to know/remember search nuances, or adapt to the program's behavior instead of searching how we naturally expect (e.g., Bible instead of Basic), is just unintuitive.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
One of the biggest changes is how Google / the web have caused people to become more tolerant of false-positives, used to never looking at/working with all the results, and okay with results that don't contain any of the terms but are still 'correct
I hope Logos will never lose its search precision in an effort to make Google-like searches. I constantly get frustrated by Google when it presents results that I have no interest in and don't even have all of my search terms. It should be possible to choose whether you want a fuzzy search or a precise search.
I constantly get frustrated by Google when it presents results that I have no interest in and don't even have all of my search terms. It should be possible to choose whether you want a fuzzy search or a precise search.
If your last sentence was directed at Google, rather than Logos, click Tools and then All Results and then Verbatim.
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Advanced notes management, specifically breaking out / merging notes from a query into a separate notes files en masse.
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I would like to see this collection in an L8 package. I've never seen it on sale.
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Follow-up to thread => Read Aloud Speed is more speed options for Read Aloud (faster speed has usable retention when visually following text).
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Text Comparison threads => Text Comparison tool shows too many verses and => Suggestions for Text Comparison Interlinear
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I have three suggestions.
first, I wonder if a “search builder” tool might be an important priority. Logos is an amazing data source, but that data is only as accessible as your search capabilities. I think that you should keep the search command syntax for Logos Geeks. But also include graphical user interface tool for building and combining searches.
Here is the way that Ebsco has implemented the sort of thing I would like to see on logos.
The things I appreciate about this sort of builder are:
1. I can focus on my search, not the syntax. Drop boxes remind me of what options are available
2. that I can test each part of the search separately, and then combine them.
second: data is provided in the datasets which is not mineable by user configured searches.
For example, I would like to be able to change the systematice theology data set, to search it by doctrine, then tradition, then references.
So, for example my search string might look like
Dataset:”Systematic Theology” WHERE (doctrine ~ anthropology AND tradition ~ anglican)
It would then produce either a passage list, which I could sorted by hits, of a list of references in my library.
I guess I am asking for to include dataset searching/mining functionality within the search builder.
Third, as a student and academic, I often find myself reaching for resources that I do not own but want to “borrow” for a short time. I would love to see a competitively priced, “library model,” to the entire collection. It would give discounts for what you already own, and access to what I don’t. So, if I hit a link for an item that I don’t own, I can either “buy it” or “borrow it” for a short time, where there was a limit, according your subscription level, on the number of resources that you could borrow at once.
Will those are my thoughts.
Thanks,
Manny
first, I wonder if a “search builder” tool might be an important priority. Logos is an amazing data source, but that data is only as accessible as your search capabilities. I think that you should keep the search command syntax for Logos Geeks. But also include graphical user interface tool for building and combining searches.
Here is the way that Ebsco has implemented the sort of thing I would like to see on logos.
The things I appreciate about this sort of builder are:
1. I can focus on my search, not the syntax. Drop boxes remind me of what options are available
2. that I can test each part of the search separately, and then combine them.
Yes! Yes! Yes! This is exactly the kind of thing I've tried to articulate in the past. It would be an incredible help for new users, and a go-to tool for intermediate users. I strongly suspect that, over time, even power users would find it convenient.
first, I wonder if a “search builder” tool might be an important priority. Logos is an amazing data source, but that data is only as accessible as your search capabilities. I think that you should keep the search command syntax for Logos Geeks. But also include graphical user interface tool for building and combining searches.
Here is the way that Ebsco has implemented the sort of thing I would like to see on logos.
The things I appreciate about this sort of builder are:
1. I can focus on my search, not the syntax. Drop boxes remind me of what options are available
2. that I can test each part of the search separately, and then combine them.
Yes! Yes! Yes! This is exactly the kind of thing I've tried to articulate in the past. It would be an incredible help for new users, and a go-to tool for intermediate users. I strongly suspect that, over time, even power users would find it convenient.
Absolutely; would be great.
first, I wonder if a “search builder” tool might be an important priority. Logos is an amazing data source, but that data is only as accessible as your search capabilities. I think that you should keep the search command syntax for Logos Geeks. But also include graphical user interface tool for building and combining searches.
I think this is the most important improvement Faithlife could make to Verbum and Logos currently.
first, I wonder if a “search builder” tool might be an important priority. Logos is an amazing data source, but that data is only as accessible as your search capabilities. I think that you should keep the search command syntax for Logos Geeks. But also include graphical user interface tool for building and combining searches.
This is hands-down the best suggestion so far. If it isn't available on release (since we're presumably getting close) please make this a high priority for a future update. This would go a long way to make Logos far more user-friendly for entry-level and casual users, or users like me who continue to invest and feel like I still use only a fraction of the capabilities of the software.
first, I wonder if a “search builder” tool might be an important priority. Logos is an amazing data source, but that data is only as accessible as your search capabilities. I think that you should keep the search command syntax for Logos Geeks. But also include graphical user interface tool for building and combining searches.
This is hands-down the best suggestion so far. If it isn't available on release (since we're presumably getting close) please make this a high priority for a future update. This would go a long way to make Logos far more user-friendly for entry-level and casual users, or users like me who continue to invest and feel like I still use only a fraction of the capabilities of the software.
This is indeed the best suggestion!!!
Adobe PDF reader has a function to "add sticky note" directly on the pdf file.
It would be nice if in Logos resources and bibles, it were possible to do the same thing...to add a sticky note directly onto the file...
Please continue to update sermon editor. I found the old sermon file add-in (Logos 4?) easier and more customizable. Unless I haven't figured it out yet it seems pretty clunky still.
-points, subpoints, etc.
-slides need more flexibility than 1 point per slide.
Copying and pasting Bible text without all the footnoting. I understand copyright but not all the references etc.
Thanks for making this list.
Ken
Ken
Sorry, I did not have time to read all post in this topic. For the PC platform, it would be nice to have a human voice read books.
Phil,
If someone has mentioned this already, forgive me. The first thing that comes to mind is the ability to search for any book in your library from the new tab page (e.g., something like when you draw the library into its own pane, and it has a search bar; see below). I request this because too often I open a new tab and the resource I would like to open is not recommended, and so I have to close the new tab and go find it in the library. The ability to find any resource in the new tab page would simplify this difficulty.
Even something as simple as a toggle in the settings to "Use Library tab for New Tab Page" would satisfy my idea here.
Regarding others' comments here about searching, if Logos were to implement a graphical search, BibleArc.com's graphical scholar search is probably the best example. It allows you to build the search string graphically while showing you what that syntax would be so that you can learn that as you go (or not). See example below. It is the single best method of graphical search building that I have interacted with. This incorporates the Logos-esque syntax of verbform@modifiers (e.g., to denote a search for a singular genitive form of a verb) that appears with the rest of the search building process (I will note that Logos does popup after you insert the "verb@" syntax with a nice visual window; however, one must know how to begin in order to get that window).
Once one has searched the display of the results is also display with a helpful expand button allowing one to see more context in the search window (see below). The expand option displays two or three verses before and after the verse found by the search. Currently something like this only seems to exist in Logos' inline search when searching by paragraph or pericope (I think).
Finally, I will note in passing that constructing the semi-complex search above is not as simple in Logos. The same logical syntax outlined in the textbox of BibleArc does not work in the Logos Bible or Morph search (syntax used sans quotes: "(<Lemma = lbs/el/ἀγαπάω> AND <Lemma = lbs/el/Χριστός>) OR ((<Lemma = lbs/el/ἀγαπάω> OR <Lemma = lbs/el/φιλέω>) AND (<Lemma = lbs/el/θεός>))"). This example is not to say that I could not conduct the same search (I am confident I can in Logos), but it is to say that doing so is not as intuitive as it could be.
My goal in sharing these screenshots is to provide further ideas and concepts for a simpler graphical search overlay/option which Logos could choose to implement to improve an already great resource by making it simpler to do complex searches.
With joy,
-David
I will Repost to see if anyone looks:
Logos 8 Wishlist First Post: Posted: Wed, Sep 20 2017 1:06 AM
Logos 7 - 7.0.0.0055 Monday, August 22, 2016
Is there any new status for all the Hype on Logos 8?
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if Logos were to implement a graphical search, BibleArc.com's graphical scholar search is probably the best example. It allows you to build the search string graphically while showing you what that syntax would be so that you can learn that as you go (or not). See example below. It is the single best method of graphical search building that I have interacted with. This incorporates the Logos-esque syntax of verbform@modifiers (e.g., to denote a search for a singular genitive form of a verb) that appears with the rest of the search building process (I will note that Logos does popup after you insert the "verb@" syntax with a nice visual window; however, one must know how to begin in order to get that window).
Once one has searched the display of the results is also display with a helpful expand button allowing one to see more context in the search window (see below). The expand option displays two or three verses before and after the verse found by the search.
David,
I support this idea! Move in this direction FL.
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It's kind of sad that some people write their wish lists in such...I don't know...acrimonious tones. Maybe there should be a Logos feature that baptizes or converts demanding, condescending, acrimonious posts into Christ-like ones. I get it that the Logos needs improvement, modernization, tweaks, etc. It seems that some users need their own spiritual tweaks. Probably beginning with me. I'm definitely ready for me, version 57.0.
1 - SPEED in the desktop programme - I don't really want to fork out $$$ for a SSD / i7 / 32GB laptop just to run logos at a reasonable speed.
2 - Portability - The ability to transfer the entire logos programme and downloaded library (3000+ resources) to a new PC / Laptop without having to download via the logos servers.
Thanks
How about the ability to use a form in the documents, or create a form? I use the form from www.EveryManAWarrior.com everyday during my devotions. It would be awesome to bring in a form, or create it, and then export it to .pdf format. What would be cool is if it could be stored within my documents somehow, so that it could turn up in my searches, this way there could be hyperlinks within.
Also, it would be great to be able to create our own guides a little easier. It is very cumbersome trying to create a usable guide and then edit it going forward.
Allow us to permanently delete our documents from the cloud. That would go a long way to building trust.
Quite highjacking drafts from Sermon Editor to build content for a paid service, and yes, simpler searches. I have a $60 program coded by one guy that can outsearch Logos without the need to watch hours of tutorials.
I want to like Logos so bad but I would rather not be haunted by incomplete documents floating around on the internet forever And then we’re supposed to trust you with a prayer list and personal thought journal too.
I love the iOS app.
I would like the ability to load my own pictures into the Sermon Editor and have them show up as slides. The Logos media files are too limited. It can be done with Proclaim and whereas the Sermon may be sent to Proclaim, it saves time and allows those pictures to be part of the Sermon that is viewed on Faithlife.
I would like the ability to load my own pictures into the Sermon Editor and have them show up as slides.
This is possible as long as you have a Faithlife Connect subscription - and was introduced in Logos 7.10 see release notes at https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_7.10
This is discussed at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/152793.aspx and elsewhere
Does this help?
- Touch support!
- Click on a cross reference and the reference range is highlighted so you know which verses to read, as in Laridian Pocket Bible.
- ESV, LEB audio, and other audio resources downloadable to device so it still functions when not online – so it doesn’t use data after initial download.
- When I click on a link: open the resource that is in my library, rather than give options to copy the link.
- PLEASE Correct the Before and After:Biblical Sites that shows the Temple being built in place of the Dome of the Rock. The true location of the Temple was at the City of David, approximately ½ kilometer NEAR the Gihon Springs. PLEASE do some honest research. This is WW3 material as shown!
- A “dynamic dictionary” that scans all resources and adds to the dictionary whatever (words), may not be in English (etc) dictionaries. This would halt having to do a web-search for what should be somewhere in FL/Logos. For example, scan all new resources and compare that index with already indexed dictionaries, etc. The Dynamic Dictionary would be Logos created, and may be user editable.
- A “Global Back Button / key-combo.” For example, I click a link from m.Ed video to go to another resource, and then another, then lose my way back.
- Make absolutely certain that all future m.Ed videos zoom in on text, as in Learn Greek. In some videos the text size is so tiny it is hard to follow lesson. In addition, the text on lecturer’s device could be larger for student advantage, instead of what may “make sense” to the lecturer’s view. Some experimentation to find the ultimate text size may be helpful. Also if user screen resolution is the problem here, it may be helpful to give hints for “best performance.” Logos should be the only lecturer’s app running, and notifications should be OFF.
For iOs:
- Option to return to previous layout when opened next time.
- Prevent devices being listed multiple times on logos.com/account/devices
David, we're looking into this.
Does Tools/History do what you want? (i know it's not a button)
Hi David,
Thank you for your feedback. Our designs in the Before and After: Biblical Sites for Jerusalem are based off of the work of Dr. Daniel Warner and reflect the traditional view on the location of the Temple.
Totally off-track, and I personally have never been to the House of YHWH from Solomon's days, but Jeremiah notes the palace was well below the temple. Moving off 'temple mount' forces the palace pretty far down the hill.
Ok, back to the wish list.
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So needed
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