After waiting patiently after the Master Journal Bundle 2.1+ came out - not a lot has happened.
Where was the frequent release programme we were expecting.
Shalom
Maybe Faithlife can just talk to Masters and get them added in? We have. I'm pretty sure the blocking issue is an exclusive distribution agreement that doesn't allow them to let Galaxie or us also distribute them.
Maybe Faithlife can just talk to Masters and get them added in?
We have. I'm pretty sure the blocking issue is an exclusive distribution agreement that doesn't allow them to let Galaxie or us also distribute them.
Thank you Phil. I guess I was hoping you could work something out like you have with RC Sproul's questions series where they and you provide then for free... Maybe if you add them for free they will allow it? Otherwise I'll stick to the copy/paste/import method I guess. Thank you again
This is a third-party product produced by Galaxie Software that we're distributing. We cannot include this content in our journal bundles unless we have our own license.
Thanks, Phil, for the answer. That makes sense, but perhaps you could add a note on the page for the new Theological collection, stating that this is NOT included with the Master Journals? Otherwise, I think people might not realize that and would not order it! I know I almost didn't.
Thanks again!
Yes, Phil Gons, thank you very much. That was extremely helpful.[Y]
Dale Heath
There are ~20 journals in this collection that are not in the Master Journal Bundle. I think this is the list, though some of these are no longer being updated due to no longer being published or rights issues.
Thanks for the clarification. Add me to the list of people that didn't realize this.
There are ~20 journals in this collection that are not in the Master Journal Bundle. I think this is the list, though some of these are no longer being updated due to no longer being published or rights issues. Thanks for the clarification. Add me to the list of people that didn't realize this
Thanks for the clarification. Add me to the list of people that didn't realize this
I did not realize this either. But this just makes the entire Journal offerings even more confusing. Just when you think FL cannot possibly be more confusing on the issues of Journals, they managed to find a way.
The information listed for Master Journal Bundle 4.1 on the website states: "The Master Journal Bundle 4.1 features over 100 new volumes and includes everything found in the Academic Journal Bundle 4.1, the Theology Journal 4.1, and the TJL Upgrade Bundle 4.1."
You would think this means that the Masters Journal Bundle 4.1 includes everything and more that is offered in the Theological Journal Library. But apparently it does not. So now I learn that I need to pre order BOTH in order to obtain ALL.
The Journal offerings of FL, (from when they abandoned the successful model of using Galaxie, to its current offering) would make a great case study in how not to advertise and promote a product.
There are ~20 journals in this collection that are not in the Master Journal Bundle. I think this is the list, though some of these are no longer being updated due to no longer being published or rights issues. Thanks for the clarification. Add me to the list of people that didn't realize this I did not realize this either. But this just makes the entire Journal offerings even more confusing. Just when you think FL cannot possibly be more confusing on the issues of Journals, they managed to find a way. The information listed for Master Journal Bundle 4.1 on the website states: "The Master Journal Bundle 4.1 features over 100 new volumes and includes everything found in the Academic Journal Bundle 4.1, the Theology Journal 4.1, and the TJL Upgrade Bundle 4.1." You would think this means that the Masters Journal Bundle 4.1 includes everything and more that is offered in the Theological Journal Library. But apparently it does not. So now I learn that I need to pre order BOTH in order to obtain ALL. The Journal offerings of FL, (from when they abandoned the successful model of using Galaxie, to its current offering) would make a great case study in how not to advertise and promote a product.
The Theological Journal Library they're selling now is the Galaxie product, but what's confusing is the TJL Upgrade Bundle 4.1. That's redundant now that the Theological Journal Library is back.
Here's what FL needs to do:
1. Cancel the TJL Upgrade Bundle 4.1 Pre-Pub. Inform customers that the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 is back on Pre-Pub, and if they want Theological Journal Library, migrate to this Pre-Pub (with dynamic pricing of course).
2. On the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 page, inform customers this is a standalone bundle from the Master Journal Bundle being offered as a partnership between FL and Galaxie. Also mention that some (but not all) content from the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 overlaps with the Master Journal Bundle 4.1. Then mention that customers who wish to own both the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 and the Master Journal Bundle 4.1 can pre-order both and receive a dynamic price upgrade for the overlap content as each ships so the customer only pays for the journals once.
3. Market the Galaxie Theological Journal Library as the Galaxie+FL partnership product and the Master Journal Bundle as a separate FL product that offers access to additional journals outside the realm of what is offered in the Galaxie product. For future Master Journal Bundles, it might be best just not to include the Galaxie content in there at all, so customers can purchase the Galaxie TJL products for the Galaxie content and the Master Journal Bundles for additional content not offered by Galaxie.
Hi Phil,
I am curious as apparently others are here, are the 4.1 bundles like the 3.1 bundles and will come out regardless of the responses (or the fact they were for some reason not reflecting the true interest ) and came out pretty quickly production--wise?
The obvious reason I ask is of course the new Theological package based on Galaxie which offers a fair amount of confusion. I figured it out and ordered it, but apparently not many others have. Does it require some level of response to happen or will it also be like 3.1 and already in production? At any rate, clearly something needs to be done to get more people involved at this point and I am certain you are working on a solution, but if it is like the 3.1 release at least those of us who have ordered it will know it is happening regardless. Thanks for all your efforts.
Here's what FL needs to do: 1. Cancel the TJL Upgrade Bundle 4.1 Pre-Pub. Inform customers that the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 is back on Pre-Pub, and if they want Theological Journal Library, migrate to this Pre-Pub (with dynamic pricing of course). 2. On the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 page, inform customers this is a standalone bundle from the Master Journal Bundle being offered as a partnership between FL and Galaxie. Also mention that some (but not all) content from the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 overlaps with the Master Journal Bundle 4.1. Then mention that customers who wish to own both the Galaxie Theological Journal Library Vol 1-20 and the Master Journal Bundle 4.1 can pre-order both and receive a dynamic price upgrade for the overlap content as each ships so the customer only pays for the journals once. 3. Market the Galaxie Theological Journal Library as the Galaxie+FL partnership product and the Master Journal Bundle as a separate FL product that offers access to additional journals outside the realm of what is offered in the Galaxie product. For future Master Journal Bundles, it might be best just not to include the Galaxie content in there at all, so customers can purchase the Galaxie TJL products for the Galaxie content and the Master Journal Bundles for additional content not offered by Galaxie.
Nathan Parker is correct. It should have been obvious.
Actually Nathan is not correct. The TJL Upgrade Bundle 4.1 is NOT redundant. There are newer (read that to mean more recent) volumes included in the TJL-upgrade that are not listed in the Galaxie product.
Clearly not redundant, but an upgrade to even the new Galaxie offering.
The surest way to cause even more confusion is to start changing things.
The ONLY thing that MAY make sense is to alter the name of the Galaxie product to reflect where it comes from.
You can safely pre-order both. When we ship them, we'll charge you only for the portion of the collection you don't own. So if we ship MJB 4.1 first, you'd then own a license to everything included in it. When we ship TJL 1–20, your dynamic price will be lower than what you see today, since you'll own more of it then than you do now.
Thanks for the clarification.
Nathan,
Unless I have misunderstood ( a good possibility), I think the TLJ upgrade Faithlife put out was intended to be a upgrade to Galaxie's product, based upon what journals they were able to license. As we all know they were not able to get a license for everything Galaxie offered. So henceforth the need to go back to Galaxie and bring them back into the fold.
The problem is there are now duplicates of content being offered. I would expect that Faithlife wants to sell everything it can license. Phil has said we will get credit for everything we have bought regardless of the source, and not pay twice, that's good news.
What I don't anticipate happening is having two files of the same journal. If Faithlife has a license then we will have that file, not Galaxie's file. Phil can correct me on this.
We'd like to avoid duplicating files if at all possible. Our current plan is to use the same files across all collections. So whether you acquire a license to a given journal through one of our journal bundles or the Galaxie TJL, the end-user experience will be the same. Everyone will have the same license and file.
Now I'm confused about the Galaxie Theological Journal Library and Faithlife's TJL upgrade bundles and what to recommend to people. Faithlife has finally made me hopelessly confused on this one.
Thanks, Phil. I've already ordered both. The recent name change works for me. If people want JETS and the other volumes they order the newest Galaxie set. If they don't they can continue to upgrade as they have slralre been doing! You guys are great! Thanks!
Galaxie releases their annual updates every October/November. We release our updates as we get them (aiming for quarterly, ideally). So our TJL upgrade bundle will usually be ahead of the Galaxie TJL where there's overlap. That's out of our control, unless you prefer we no longer ship journals more frequently and hold them back until the end of the year, which doesn't seem ideal to me.
There's really nothing to be confused about. Just pre-order everything you're interested in and let dynamic pricing for Pre-Pubs take care of the rest. There's nothing to lose.
What else isn't clear?
Great. Thanks for the feedback, Ken!
If a person wants ALL the journals offered by Logos today, what does he/she need to order? Please help complete this question:
1. Master Journal Bundle 4>1
2. Galaxie's Theological Journal
3. What other journals are not contained in these two packages that are available in Logos?
Now I'm confused about the Galaxie Theological Journal Library and Faithlife's TJL upgrade bundles and what to recommend to people. Faithlife has finally made me hopelessly confused on this one. Galaxie releases their annual updates every October/November. We release our updates as we get them (aiming for quarterly, ideally). So our TJL upgrade bundle will usually be ahead of the Galaxie TJL where there's overlap. That's out of our control, unless you prefer we no longer ship journals more frequently and hold them back until the end of the year, which doesn't seem ideal to me. There's really nothing to be confused about. Just pre-order everything you're interested in and let dynamic pricing for Pre-Pubs take care of the rest. There's nothing to lose. What else isn't clear?
That makes sense. I originally thought the TJL Upgrade Bundle would be replaced by the Galaxie bundle, and that the TJL Upgrade Bundle was FL's implementation of the Galaxie bundle sans-Galaxie. I didn't realize that the TJL Upgrade Bundles would continue to offer more frequent updates and content not in the latest Galaxie bundle.
Since I own the Master Journal Bundle, my strategy moving forward would be to continue purchasing the Master Journal Bundles and the Galaxie bundles. This way I "get it all".
For people who ask me for journal recommendations, I'll tell them to start with the Galaxie bundles to get all the Galaxie content, then use the Master Journal Bundles to top off the rest.
Thanks!
Phil, is this correct? Please confirm.
Aren't there other journals in Logos that are not part of the Master and Galaxie bundles?
Yes. There are some journals and magazines that we can't bundle. I don't have a list off the top of my head, but I'll see if I can pull one together.
In short, to get all the journals/magazines available in our format, you'd need to buy (1) MJB, (2) Galaxie TJL, and (3) all the standalone journals.
A quick rough seach brought these up: https://www.logos.com/products/search?Resource+Type=Academic+Journals&unlocked=no&start=0&sort=pricehi&pageSize=60
For me, I'm missing:
https://www.logos.com/product/4629/review-and-expositor
https://www.logos.com/product/150540/journal-of-biblical-counseling
https://www.logos.com/product/8581/discipleship-journal-anthology
https://www.logos.com/product/36281/wisconsin-lutheran-quarterly-1950-1989
https://www.logos.com/product/8817/wisconsin-lutheran-quarterly-1990-2010
https://www.logos.com/product/4615/emmaus-journal
And probably a bunch of singles.
I go to this page and just look up the journals that aren't showing I own them. I have Master Bundle. Here's what it's showing I don't have:
https://www.logos.com/product/6753/the-northwestern-publishing-house-electronic-library-collection-one (This includes a bunch of non-journals as well. The journals can be purchased without this collection).
https://www.logos.com/product/47237/zeitschrift-fur-die-neutestamentliche-wissenschaft-und-die-kunde-des-urchristentums (German)
https://www.logos.com/product/42286/revista-kairos (Spanish)
https://www.logos.com/product/52844/der-historische-jesus-tendenzen-und-perspektiven-der-gegenwartigen-forschung (German)
Hi there,
Here are a few additional journals/magazines that are not in the MJB 4.1 nor are they in Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20:
I hope this is helpful!
Kristina
I go to this page and just look up the journals that aren't showing I own them. I have Master Bundle. Here's what it's showing I don't have: https://www.logos.com/product/8817/wisconsin-lutheran-quarterly-1990-2010 https://www.logos.com/product/36281/wisconsin-lutheran-quarterly-1950-1989 https://www.logos.com/product/6753/the-northwestern-publishing-house-electronic-library-collection-one (This includes a bunch of non-journals as well. The journals can be purchased without this collection). https://www.logos.com/product/8581/discipleship-journal-anthology https://www.logos.com/product/47237/zeitschrift-fur-die-neutestamentliche-wissenschaft-und-die-kunde-des-urchristentums (German) https://www.logos.com/product/42286/revista-kairos (Spanish) https://www.logos.com/product/52844/der-historische-jesus-tendenzen-und-perspektiven-der-gegenwartigen-forschung (German) https://www.logos.com/product/150540/journal-of-biblical-counseling
Thanks
Here are a few additional journals/magazines that are not in the MJB 4.1 nor are they in Galaxie's Theological Journal Library, vols. 1-20: Christianity Today Evangelical Review of Theology - this is only available in the WEA Theological Resource Library, Version 3 Friendship Evangelism (Ministry Magazine) - this is in a collection that's currently on pre-pub Journal of Hebrew Scriptures (11 vols.) The Missionary Magazine - this is in a number of collections The Southern Review - this is in a number of collections
The resource page says that Journal of Hebrew Scriptures is contained in master Journal 4.1
Hi Jack,
My mistake! You are correct; the Journal of Hebrew Scriptures is contained in the Master Journal Bundle 4.1. Thanks for catching this!
Going back to suggesting new journals we'd love to see in Logos, how about Presbyterian published by Covenant Theological Seminary?
Here is a quick description from the seminary:
"Our twice-yearly academic journal offers scholarly articles, book reviews, and other features on topics pertinent to biblical exegesis, theological understanding, church history, pastoral practice, evangelism and discipleship, and more."
Over the years, I have read and used several helpful articles from this journal in seminary courses and research. I don't know if this journal has been suggested before, but I'd love to see it available in Logos!
Hi Phil,Curious for an update here:
Do both these sets need to run through the full pre-pub process or is it like last time and FL is already working on these? Are they pre-pub or pre-buy?https://www.logos.com/product/154052/master-journal-bundle-41
https://www.logos.com/product/156048/galaxies-theological-journal-library-vols-1-20
What I don't understand is, we have been begging for new journals for so long. And now that the latest batch of journals is being offered, it is taking so long for the Pre-Pub to even barely get past 50% interest. I would have thought it would have been faster than this! [:(]
My guess is that Logos are actively working on them - but the pre-pub mechanism is the means by which FaithLife 'drum up business'. So there is likely no need for the full cost of pre-pub to be met. What I am thinking they are not setting the cost of true cost - but one to hold the 'advert' in place until they are nearly ready
Just call me somewhat cynical!
However it might not be true - however I am not accusing FaithLife of anything untoward - just that they may be using the mechanism in a non usual way to get the job done.
What I am thinking they are not setting the cost of true cost - but one to hold the 'advert' in place until they are nearly ready Just call me somewhat cynical!
What I am thinking they are not setting the cost of true cost - but one to hold the 'advert' in place until they are nearly ready
Not really cynical—The longer they hold the pre-pub price, the more customers have the opportunity to get the bundle at a lower price [:P]
PRO ECCLESIA?????
Toronto Journal of Theology
What I don't understand is, we have been begging for new journals for so long. And now that the latest batch of journals is being offered, it is taking so long for the Pre-Pub to even barely get past 50% interest. I would have thought it would have been faster than this!
I really have to concur here. I am quite surprised myself. All the ranting and raving on here and the abuse FL took, and after Phil and his team so graciously finally conquer the task, the response is pretty much apathy. Really shows a lot! Anyway, thank you FL for continuing to shine when and wherever you can! Keep fighting the faith even when many merely want to criticize and not show their support when it is called for! All the talk about JETS, and it is here and few have signed up for it! I am truly disappointed! All God's Best!
... I am truly disappointed! ...
Maybe few have noticed - bear in mind the sales task is a rather passive one for this type of product. Aside from the emails sent direct to those who have signed up for them.
If people are disenchanted and don't spend much time here - they don't know!
Aside from the emails sent direct to those who have signed up for them.
I get emails, but are there emails specifically about journals? Thanks!
I don't believe there is a separate set of 'journal' sales promotion emails.
Just sales emails that never seem to promote the journal offerings in Logos.
Perhaps there would be better take up if these were sent out and people then got the hear the good news.
I get emails from this thread specifically that updates me on journals, so I know what is new and can then avail myself of the pre-pubs! So the tech is there! One has to remain concerned and not get discouraged and revisit this page for that is what it is designed to do.
I think the Original Post I responded to was in regards to people not doing that and following through.
Also, you can no longer get journals like "Biblical Archaeology Review" (the archive 1975-2005)...there is one available right now at auction on eB**... however, but I don't think these are going to come back as BAS changed software partners.... ( e mail... j_korodaj at yahoo dawt com)
Correct!
It seems to me that there has been no activity here at all or interests. Is everything at a stand still because the new bundles are all just waiting to go through pre-pub now? What happened to all the previous fervor?
Anyway, any updates on JBL? Will it ever be updated?
Just picked one of these up. As I've mentioned before, I bought this direct from BAS in their final clearance, but the disk never arrived and I never got a refund. So I didn't like having to pay twice as much for the same BAR disk on ebay, but BAR is too often referenced to not have those resources in Logos. I have been wanting to get this for years and I'm glad I've got it now. [:)]
Of course, I'm bummed that I can't use it in L3. [:(]
I'm glad you were able to pick that up on eBay David.... seeing as it is not available anymore from Logos, nor from the Biblical Archaeology Society (BAS). I do know that there is still one more CD of "Biblical Archaeology Review" (the archive 1975-2005) available on eBay … It's listed as Brand New AND the "last one a available"
Also, you can no longer get journals like "Biblical Archaeology Review" (the archive 1975-2005)...there is one available right now at auction on eB**... however, but I don't think these are going to come back as BAS changed software partners.... ( e mail... j_korodaj at yahoo dawt com) Just picked one of these up. As I've mentioned before, I bought this direct from BAS in their final clearance, but the disk never arrived and I never got a refund. So I didn't like having to pay twice as much for the same BAR disk on ebay, but BAR is too often referenced to not have those resources in Logos. I have been wanting to get this for years and I'm glad I've got it now. Of course, I'm bummed that I can't use it in L3.
Just picked one of these up. As I've mentioned before, I bought this direct from BAS in their final clearance, but the disk never arrived and I never got a refund. So I didn't like having to pay twice as much for the same BAR disk on ebay, but BAR is too often referenced to not have those resources in Logos. I have been wanting to get this for years and I'm glad I've got it now.
Of course, I'm bummed that I can't use it in L3.
Is this easy to unlock in logos if one was to bid and win? I haven't tried looking on eBay yet but I'd be concerned if won if logos would honor the code
I really wish Logos and BAS would work together again. I'm not sure what the sticking point is, but I wish it could be fixed.
Yes, if it's brand new they will honor it, only you can no longer open it in the old Libronix (Logos 3) version. All you have to do is call them and read them the code to unlock it.
David Sir
Just curious how easy it was for you to unlock this in Logos... any issues?
Is this easy to unlock in logos if one was to bid and win? I haven't tried looking on eBay yet but I'd be concerned if won if logos would honor the code Yes, if it's brand new they will honor it, only you can no longer open it in the old Libronix (Logos 3) version. All you have to do is call them and read them the code to unlock it.
Faithlife has web page for associating Libronix license with your Faithlife account => https://www.logos.com/redeem
+1 [Y] dreaming for more BAS in Logos. Thankful for finding many BAS articles using Logos search.
Keep Smiling [:)]
I really wish Logos and BAS would work together again. I'm not sure what the sticking point is, but I wish it could be fixed. +1 dreaming for more BAS in Logos. Thankful for finding many BAS articles using Logos search.
+1 dreaming for more BAS in Logos. Thankful for finding many BAS articles using Logos search.
Agreed! I continue to hope just like I continue to do for Carta resources. [:)]
David Sir Just curious how easy it was for you to unlock this in Logos... any issues?
Just took a phone call. Get one while you can.
