New Feature: Lemma in Passage (Dataset)

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  • Rick Brannan (Logos)
    Rick Brannan (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,862

    Several of the volumes you mention above discuss Greek, but do it in transliteration, not Greek characters. The whole of NICNT uses transliteration; surprisingly (to me) so does much of the Anchor Yale series.

    Transliteration is a tough nut to crack (especially Hebrew). Not saying it'll never happen, but it didn't make the first cut of the tool.

    On which volumes get included, basically, everything classed as a commentary that has a string in Greek or Hebrew within a Bible milestone is intended. Not saying we haven't possibly missed volumes, but that's the goal.

    I'm not coming up with any good ideas for a useful work-around to take me from my Bible Word Study Guide for an OL word into a scholarly commentary that uses only transliterated text.  (And as Rick B suggests, I'm surprised at how many are the ones that I really want to start with, when I'm ready to turn to commentaries.)

    Hi Mary-Ellen.

    We're actually working on supporting transliterations in the lemma-in-passage data right now. Hopefully soon that data will be available through lemma-in-passage, and your cumbersome workarounds won't be necessary.

    Hello again, Mary-Ellen.

    The work to lemmatize transliterated strings has been incorporated in the dataset, and the new data is live and available. For more details, see this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/146790/912596.aspx#912596 

    Rick Brannan
    Data Wrangler, Faithlife
    My books in print

  • Matthew
    Matthew Member Posts: 99

    I posted this question in the General forum and then came across this thread so I thought I'd post it here as well in case some who are familiar with the topic are following it:

    When I view the Exegetical Guide or Passage Guide and scroll down to Lemma In Passage, I get no results and a "Failed to load" message. When I view the Bible Word Study, it works fine. It doesn't matter if it's a passage from the Old or New Testament. Any thoughts as to what's wrong or if I'm doing something wrong? Also, what is the difference between "Lemmas in Passage" and "Other Lemmas" in the Bible Word Study? It seems to be showing results for the same lemma under both (see second screen shot showing WBC from Isaiah).

  • Rob Bailey
    Rob Bailey Member Posts: 45

    When I view the Exegetical Guide or Passage Guide and scroll down to Lemma In Passage, I get no results and a "Failed to load" message. When I view the Bible Word Study, it works fine. It doesn't matter if it's a passage from the Old or New Testament. Any thoughts as to what's wrong or if I'm doing something wrong? Also, what is the difference between "Lemmas in Passage" and "Other Lemmas" in the Bible Word Study? It seems to be showing results for the same lemma under both (see second screen shot showing WBC from Isaiah).

    I have this same problem. Did anyone ever figure out a fix for it?

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,955

    When I view the Exegetical Guide or Passage Guide and scroll down to Lemma In Passage, I get no results and a "Failed to load" message.

    What are your top three prioritised Bibles?

  • Rob Bailey
    Rob Bailey Member Posts: 45

    NET

    NA27 w/Gramcord

    ESV

    Lemma in Passage DOES work through Bible Word Study, but not through Exegetical or Passage Guide.

  • Rob Bailey
    Rob Bailey Member Posts: 45

    So, based on your question, I changed my preferred Bibles to ESV, NASB and NIV84, and then Lemma in Passage works for me!

    Is there a list somewhere of which preferred Bibles it is limited to?

    There is a problem however. I thought Lemma in Passage would find the lemma in any of my resources. However, I noticed right away that it only pulls info from commentaries. No journals were included. (I used "logos" as a test word.) Does it only pull from commentaries?

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,955

    So, based on your question, I changed my preferred Bibles to ESV, NASB and NIV84, and then Lemma in Passage works for me!

    Is there a list somewhere of which preferred Bibles it is limited to?

    This is a bug in the service. We have an existing case for it, and I've added a link to this thread to the case.

    Does it only pull from commentaries?

    It pulls from the resources that have been tagged in the database. I think (but don't know for sure) that this is primarily commentaries so far. The list of tagged resources grows regularly; e.g., https://community.logos.com/forums/p/146790/912317.aspx#912317  

  • Rob Bailey
    Rob Bailey Member Posts: 45

    This is a slightly different problem, but since you mentioned "tagging" I'll ask it here:

    • When I use the Passage Guide my journals do not show all of my relevant resources. E.g., I Input 1 Timothy 2:12, and looked at what I had under "Journals." I clicked on "Search All Journals" at the bottom which opened a new window.
      • None of my Trinity Journals showed up, even though I know that there are at least two journals containing three articles that include "1 Timothy 2:11-15" in the title.
      • JETS does not show any articles either, even though I know they are there.
      • Articles in Trinity and JETS do show up if I search for 1 Tim 2:12 across all fields. They DO NOT show up if searching "largetext" or "headingtext" even though the references are found there.
  • Rick Brannan (Logos)
    Rick Brannan (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,862

    Does it only pull from commentaries?

    It pulls from the resources that have been tagged in the database. I think (but don't know for sure) that this is primarily commentaries so far. The list of tagged resources grows regularly; e.g., https://community.logos.com/forums/p/146790/912317.aspx#912317  

    The data is from commentaries and study Bibles. The data behind the service is updated every two weeks to account for newly released commentaries (and study Bibles).

    Rick Brannan
    Data Wrangler, Faithlife
    My books in print

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,955

    This is a bug in the service. We have an existing case for it, and I've added a link to this thread to the case.

    The web service should now be fixed, and correctly return results when NET (or any other Bible) is your preferred Bible.