Studying Jude? Seen this?

This is an overview of the views of commentators, Bible translations and Study Bibles for all the main controversial issues and interpretive decisions in the book of Jude: 6404.Jude Issues and Stances - December 2017.xlsx

and some comments: 8535.Jude Analysis.docx

with some helpful graphs: 7043.Jude Charts.xlsx

and some comments: 3755.Jude Graphs.pdf

All of the data is supplied, plus charts to show how stances have changed over time. It also shows the most popular view for each issue, and highlights where commentators, Bible translations and Study Bibles differ from this view.

I would love Logos to provide this for all books of the Bible, especially the New Testament, hopefully in a more user-friendly format than given here. If you would like this as well, or would be happy to lend your voice to my hope, please vote here:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w

There is more information on this suggestion here:

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/133058.aspx

Thanks. Enjoy exploring Jude with this data.

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Rodney Phillips

This looks great. Thank you for posting this..

Bruce Dunning

I would love Logos to provide this for all books of the Bible, especially the New Testament, hopefully in a more user-friendly format than given here. If you would like this as well, or would be happy to lend your voice to my hope, please vote here:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w

I just added 3 votes! It would be great to have this in Logos.

Liam Maguire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/945104#Comment_945104

This is incredibly helpful. Voted on uservoice also.

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/945166#Comment_945166

Many thanks for the support, Rodney, Bruce and LMAM.

I meant to post that rows 194-198 are some of the most interesting. I guess I should have moved them up to the top, so I've reordered the spreadsheet, copying the important overview rows to the top. These show the most popular recent stance for each issue, with notes and a list of exceptions, plus whether a graph is available in the Jude Charts spreadsheet. The overview is now followed by the Study Bibles, English Translations, Greek Versions and then the commentaries, journals and other studies.

The updated version is here: 5428.Jude Issues and Stances - 29 December 2017.xlsx

Comments, suggestions and corrections welcome.

Rodney Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/945491#Comment_945491

Thanks Andrew.. Will check it out over the weekend.. Oh and I voted too..

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/945494#Comment_945494

I still don't think that the spreadsheet I provided offers the best view of the data that it could. Here's a copy of the spreadsheet with an extra tab showing the data transposed:

5756.Jude Issues and Stances - 17 August 2018.xlsx

I think this is better. However, I still think it could be better presented and easier to use. Hence the request for the data to be available in Logos. If you agree, please vote here:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w

There is more information on the suggestion here:

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/133058.aspx

Don't forget to take a look at the analysis, charts and graphs links in the initial post above.

Thanks. Enjoy exploring Jude with this data.

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991758#Comment_991758

I've voted in support!

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991761#Comment_991761

Many thanks, Beloved. I forgot to say thanks to Rodney Philips earlier as well, so a belated thanks, Rodney.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991763#Comment_991763

Thanks, Andrew. I will take a closer look at this.

Gary Osborne

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991767#Comment_991767

Nice. But it's missing a couple of solid Pentecostal resources that should be added to at least allow for some representation from that theological line. They are the notes from the "Fire Bible" and the "Full Life Bible Commentary on the New Testament."

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991785#Comment_991785

Thanks for the suggestions, Gary. It doesn't appear that these resources are available in Logos, or covered by the other resources I checked, and I don't own them. Are there alternative resources that you would call solidly Pentecostal that are available in Logos (preferably with links to sales pages)?

On another note, I've just noticed that I appear to have lost 539 posts when I changed email address. Oh, well.

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991788#Comment_991788

On another note, I've just noticed that I appear to have lost 539 posts when I changed email address. Oh, well.

Customer service can fix this.

Gary Osborne

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991788#Comment_991788

Thanks for the suggestions, Gary. It doesn't appear that these resources are available in Logos, or covered by the other resources I checked, and I don't own them. Are there alternative resources that you would call solidly Pentecostal that are available in Logos (preferably with links to sales pages)?

On another note, I've just noticed that I appear to have lost 539 posts when I changed email address. Oh, well.

These resources are in other bible software packages, and I have done everything within my power for the last 5+ years to get Logos to add them (including having personal correspondence with Bob Pritchett). Unfortunately Logos is lacking - terribly imho - in solid Pentecostal resources. Their "Pentecostal" package is really almost exclusively Charismatic material, and any good traditional Pentecostal (Assemblies of God, Church of God, etc) will tell you there's actually a pretty big difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic theology when you break it down and start digging. The A/G has a wealth of Pentecostal material, over 100 years worth of writings, journals, commentaries, etc that I have begged Logos to look into. Apparently that has been to no avail.

Sorry for the little rant. Didn't mean to do that.

Gary Osborne

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991788#Comment_991788

Thanks for the suggestions, Gary. It doesn't appear that these resources are available in Logos, or covered by the other resources I checked, and I don't own them. Are there alternative resources that you would call solidly Pentecostal that are available in Logos (preferably with links to sales pages)?

On another note, I've just noticed that I appear to have lost 539 posts when I changed email address. Oh, well.

Sorry for the little rant. Didn't mean to do that.

Richard Villanueva

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991793#Comment_991793

Unfortunately Logos is lacking - terribly imho - in solid Pentecostal resources. Their "Pentecostal" package is really almost exclusively Charismatic material, and any good traditional Pentecostal (Assemblies of God, Church of God, etc)

This is interesting, I believe there are tons of AG sources available that are not in Logos. Not sure what the hold up is, maybe it's just a matter of some kind of agreement between the major publishers? Pentecostal and Charismatic movements are huge globally, not just in the US. Maybe if the AG or COG leadership would drop hints to known publishers or even denominational seminaries and bible colleges to request textbooks to be made in Logos Format that would speed things along? My church's Bible College considered digitizing our course books into the Logos format but it was too expensive of an upfront cost for us to do so when we engaged in our conversation.

They are the notes from the "Fire Bible" and the "Full Life Bible Commentary on the New Testament."

Regarding the Fire Bible, it seems to be a sore subject in times past and has hit the top levels of the uservoice voting. I emailed the publishers a few months ago and they quickly responded that "they don't work with Logos" and that I will need to go to other avenues to obtain a digital copy. It all seemed a bit salty, but I am unsure of which end of the deal caused the stalemate. I believe Ben mentioned they wanted to incorporate the title, but I try not to go too far in my speculating.

To the OP, though:

All of the data is supplied, plus charts to show how stances have changed over time. It also shows the most popular view for each issue, and highlights where commentators, Bible translations and Study Bibles differ from this view.

I would love Logos to provide this for all books of the Bible, especially the New Testament, hopefully in a more user-friendly format than given here. If you would like this as well, or would be happy to lend your voice to my hope, please vote here:

This is interesting information! I wonder if this would be information included in an Interactive or like an extension of a Lexham Bible Guide-type resource??

Or the OP could run some major studying and publish the work himself as a personal endeavor! 😀

Rob Lambert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991804#Comment_991804

Just gave this three votes.... and Gary, thank you for your oh so true observation.

Gary Osborne

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991804#Comment_991804

They are the notes from the "Fire Bible" and the "Full Life Bible Commentary on the New Testament."

Regarding the Fire Bible, it seems to be a sore subject in times past and has hit the top levels of the uservoice voting. I emailed the publishers a few months ago and they quickly responded that "they don't work with Logos" and that I will need to go to other avenues to obtain a digital copy. It all seemed a bit salty, but I am unsure of which end of the deal caused the stalemate. I believe Ben mentioned they wanted to incorporate the title, but I try not to go too far in my speculating.

Oh my. That is extremely sad news. The fact that they've worked with other companies, but not Logos, tells me something. But as you stated, I don't know which side the problem is on. But the bottom line is that really stinks.

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991758#Comment_991758

I still think it could be better presented and easier to use. Hence the request for the data to be available in Logos.

I think Logos would be absolutely crazy to not utilize this data like you have so persuasively shown could be done!

JohnB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991788#Comment_991788

On another note, I've just noticed that I appear to have lost 539 posts when I changed email address. Oh, well.

It always happens!! Get in touch with customer support with the details of the two email addresses and they will arrange for it to be corrected.

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991792#Comment_991792

On another note, I've just noticed that I appear to have lost 539 posts when I changed email address. Oh, well.

Customer service can fix this.

Thanks, Beloved, (and later, JohnB). I've sent them an email.

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991804#Comment_991804

This is interesting information! I wonder if this would be information included in an Interactive or like an extension of a Lexham Bible Guide-type resource??

Or the OP could run some major studying and publish the work himself as a personal endeavor! 😀

It could even be an interactive, linked to a much more detailed Bible Guide. I always felt that the Bible Guides could be more detailed, with the ability to hide detail. The interactive would help to demonstrate what the guides claim but provide no evidence for.

As for publishing it myself, I maybe should have provided a link to another of today's posts. It's titled Web Developer Wanted. Even if I somehow found time to provide the data for the whole Bible, I'm not sure I would be great at creating the user interface. Suggestions welcome, preferably at the related forum post: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/171664/991762.aspx

Thanks for your comments, Richard!

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991819#Comment_991819

I still think it could be better presented and easier to use. Hence the request for the data to be available in Logos.

I think Logos would be absolutely crazy to not utilize this data like you have so persuasively shown could be done!

Thanks for your comments, James. I think I demonstrated that Denomination and Theology tagging could be done, when others were saying that it couldn't. Well over 1000 people now use that system (https://community.logos.com/forums/t/54491.aspx?PageIndex=1). I think many more could benefit from using this, and it could build on what has gone before.

And thanks to Rob Lambert for his votes.

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991833#Comment_991833

I think I demonstrated that Denomination and Theology tagging couldn't be done, when others were saying that it couldn't.

think you meant to say "tagging *could be done" :-)

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991853#Comment_991853

I think I demonstrated that Denomination and Theology tagging couldn't be done, when others were saying that it couldn't.

think you meant to say "tagging *could be done" :-)

Thanks, James. I've corrected the post. [:$]

Joey Midgett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991856#Comment_991856

I gave it three votes.

Andrew Baguley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/991992#Comment_991992

Thanks, Joey. It's starting to move up in the rankings as a result.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/992090#Comment_992090

It's starting to move up in the rankings as a result.

I gave it my votes, too. At the time of this post, https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w just needs 10 more votes to appear on Page 1 of the top most wanted features (and people may free up votes given to the Logos edition of BSM, since this is finally with us).