Excessive price difference

I'm a big Michael Heiser fan, as far as I know I own all of his books. And so I'm excited that his latest book, Angels: What the Bible Really Says About God’s Heavenly Host, is about to be released on September 19th and have had it on Pre-order since February. However, I noticed that there is no discount offered for Pre-ordering through Logos, it's the full list price of $19.99:

https://www.logos.com/product/148914/angels-what-the-bible-really-says-about-gods-heavenly-host

But Amazon has the Kindle version on sale for 70% off at just $5.99:

https://www.amazon.com/Angels-Bible-Really-About-Heavenly-ebook/dp/B07GJWPXC3/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536161891&sr=8-1&keywords=Angels%3A+What+the+Bible+Really+Says+About+God%E2%80%99s+Heavenly+Host

I'm a decades-long Logos user and I understand the difference between a tagged Logos version and a Kindle version and so my first choice is always Logos even if the Logos version is a few dollars more than Kindle, but $14 more? And Logos (Lexham Press) is the publisher, so it's not about publisher permission.

I'd really hate to do it after waiting this long, but I might cancel my Pre-order and just get the Kindle version for $5.99 or wait until a future Logos sale. I'm not mad at all and, in fact, I noticed this week that (assuming because I'm a Now/Connect member) I have a temporary license to an advanced copy of the first three chapters of the book, which is nice.

I'm guessing Amazon does mostly what it pleases. I just don't understand why FL/Lexham wouldn't react to the Kindle sale by dropping the price at least something off of full list price. Maybe someone from FL/Lexham could chime in on this.

Thanks!

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Mark Barnes

I agree with this. Lexham Press should be supporting Logos Bible Software users, not Kindle users!

Small Heath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/993958#Comment_993958

I agree with this. Lexham Press should not be supporting Logos Bible Software users, not Kindle users!

Mark, please reread your post. I believe you have one too many nots.

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/993959#Comment_993959

Logos invented pre-pub, and in the main, sticks with it.

Now, Lexham products pre-pub at the regular price. I by-pass these wrongly priced books, as I strongly believe this is not right, to say the least.

Perhaps FL has a good internal reason to do this, but as a customer, I have a great reason to simply not buy.

Paul Caneparo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/993962#Comment_993962

The pre-pub price promise no longer exists, partly so Faithlife can participate in publisher sales.

Faithlife are deliberately experimenting by offer Lexham Press books on Kindle at better prices to gauge the response for the books without the added value of being in Logos format.

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/993975#Comment_993975

Looks like I will have to buy Kindle instead of Logos format. Too sad

Faithlife, can you offer please on Faithlife ebooks (vyrso) for more reasonable price? You pay royalties to Amazon and offer great discount

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/993976#Comment_993976

Check your libraries it may be a Faithlife connect benefit, but I got an advanced preview of this book releasing soon. So far it’s got great content.

DAL

Simon’s Brother

I agree with the sentiments in this thread. FL needs to better reward those who take up Lexham titles on prepub. FL is only driving customers towards purchasing Kindle when there is this sort of price difference.

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/993986#Comment_993986

My price for this book is $5.99. Just checked my prepub list.

Jake Mailhot (Lexham)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/993986#Comment_993986

Thanks everyone for providing valuable feedback for us. Here's a quick note from Lexham's Publisher:

Hi everyone,

Some of you have noted that our Logos preorder price for Angels is quite a bit higher than Amazon’s Kindle pre-order price. ($19.99 versus $5.99). The reason is that Lexham has been using the Kindle edition lately to do some pricing experiments. At Lexham, we always ask ourselves the question, “What does it look like to do faithful evangelical publishing from where we are?” We’re in a unique position as a division of Faithlife, and one of the things we’re well positioned to do is to find innovative ways to get you, our customers, the most value for your money.

As I’m sure most of you are well aware, the Kindle edition is way more basic in its functionality and features than the Logos edition—that makes it a cheap and easy testbed for experiments with pricing. Among other logistical hurdles, that’s our rationale for doing our pricing experiments using the Kindle format.

In the meantime, there’s still the matter of a big difference in the Angels pre-order price, and we completely understand your desire to get the most value for your money—not just after we’re done with our experimenting, but now. And who could blame our best customers—our Logos customers—for wanting great prices? Lord willing, that’s more and more where we’re headed.

So maybe we should start that journey right away.

We’ve just dropped the pre-order price for the full-fledged Logos edition of Angels to $5.99. We’re in this together. We’d appreciate it if you spread the word.

—Brannon Ellis

If you have any questions about this change, I'll do my best to clear up any remaining confusion.

Robert Neely

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994008#Comment_994008

Nice, thank you!

Matthew

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994008#Comment_994008

Thank you Brannon, Jake, and the entire FL and Lexham team, much appreciated!

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994008#Comment_994008

We’ve just dropped the pre-order price for the full-fledged Logos edition of Angels to $5.99. We’re in this together. We’d appreciate it if you spread the word.

Thanks a lot!

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994013#Comment_994013

Wow, super thanks! I just checked my prepub and the price has been adjusted. Thank you again! 👍😁👌

DAL

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994014#Comment_994014

Does it come as a download?

Keith Pang

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994015#Comment_994015

Thank you!

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994015#Comment_994015

Does it come as a download?

Really? Of course! It’s a download because it’s a Logos book. Go back and read his post (Hint: full-fledged Logos edition) Who wants print anyway? It’s termite food 🥘

DAL

Wei Qiang

Thank you! [Y]

Leo Wee Fah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994019#Comment_994019

Thank you Faithlife ! [Y]

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994020#Comment_994020

Thank you!

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994008#Comment_994008

We’ve just dropped the pre-order price for the full-fledged Logos edition of Angels to $5.99. We’re in this together. We’d appreciate it if you spread the word.

Much appreciated. Thank you!

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994024#Comment_994024

Placed my order. Thank you

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994025#Comment_994025

Willing to order at the new price too...thanks.

-dan

Sojourner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994026#Comment_994026

Thank you! I placed an order at that price too!

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994008#Comment_994008

Thank you FL for listening on this one and reducing the prepub price.

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994030#Comment_994030

[Y]

Glenn Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994008#Comment_994008

We’ve just dropped the pre-order price for the full-fledged Logos edition of Angels to $5.99. We’re in this together. We’d appreciate it if you spread the word.

Very much appreciated![Y]

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994051#Comment_994051

This is reasonable. Thank you. I was planning on using my b-day coupon on this book, but now I'll get in on pre pub, and will use the coupon for something else.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994053#Comment_994053

I’m sure everybody read my post where I stated that Logos gave us an advance preview of the book in our libraries. Check it out (might only apply to FL connect subscribers):

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994008#Comment_994008

thank you so much FaithLife for listening - and so helpfully responding.

shalom

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994056#Comment_994056

Thank you very, very much! I had mine already preordered and now I get a bonus. Excellent

Rob Lambert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/994065#Comment_994065

thank you very much