New Feature: Greek Grammatical Constructions (dataset)

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 20 2015 8:31 AM

What is it?

This new dataset identifies grammatical constructions in the New Testament and finds other occurrences of the construction in the Bible. Example: Find all the first-class conditional statements in Paul's letters.

How does it work?

This dataset labels all instances of emphatic negation, Granville Sharp's first rule, conditional clauses, historical presents, articular infinitives, clause-level asyndeton, Colwell's Rule, protasis, apodosis, genitive, dative, and accusative absolutes, attraction, and incorporation.

  • See how constructions are built by viewing examples from the Bible

  • Track down other occurrences of grammatical constructions, like 1st class conditional clauses

  • Compare how one author uses a construction against another, like the historical present

  • Create a visual filter that highlights these constructions in your Bible of choice 

Where can I learn more?

Watch it in action here. https://logos.wistia.com/medias/pq2olafdh9
Logos.com/Features#LogosNow
https://www.logos.com/product/51518/greek-grammatical-constructions-dataset

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 8:08 AM

Is this new data set what is feeding the new Grammar section in the exegetical guide? Would I lose that functionality without Logos Now?

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 8:17 AM

Mike Tourangeau:

Is this new data set what is feeding the new Grammar section in the exegetical guide? Would I lose that functionality without Logos Now?

Yes, as of right now

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 9:11 AM

Hi Mike.

Mike Tourangeau:

Is this new data set what is feeding the new Grammar section in the exegetical guide? Would I lose that functionality without Logos Now?

The "Greek Grammatical Constructions" dataset is the basis of the new (6.3 + Logos Now) Grammatical Constructions guide section.

The revision of the "Grammar" section (6.3 + Logos Now) is a different analysis of grammars. It is a separate underlying dataset of information unrelated to the Greek Grammatical Constructions dataset.

Edit: To answer your question, yes, the new Grammar section is a component of Logos Now.

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Ron Corbett | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 22 2015 5:12 PM

Jacob Cerone:
This dataset labels all instances of emphatic negation, Granville Sharp's first rule, conditional clauses, historical presents, articular infinitives, clause-level asyndeton, and Colwell's Rule.

Question: Are there any more grammatical constructions that will need to be added to this data set / or may be added?

[Thinking about students of NTG]

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 22 2015 11:17 PM

We have some ideas for more, but would love suggestions. There is a Faithlife Group for discussing the dataset and suggestions for improvements and additions.

https://faithlife.com/lexham-greek-grammatical-constructions-dataset

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EX | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 3 2015 9:04 AM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):

We have some ideas for more, but would love suggestions. There is a Faithlife Group for discussing the dataset and suggestions for improvements and additions.

https://faithlife.com/lexham-greek-grammatical-constructions-dataset

Is Discourse Grammar of the Greek New Testament: A Practical Introduction for Teaching and Exegesis part of this dataset? That book does not come up in the search.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 3 2015 9:09 AM

EX:
Is Discourse Grammar of the Greek New Testament: A Practical Introduction for Teaching and Exegesis part of this dataset? That book does not come up in the search.

Your search isn't using the Dataset - it is using a Collection called "All Grammars"

Check under Tools-> Collections and see how that Collection is defined. You can see it using the "Open" option in the Collections Tool.

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EX | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 3 2015 9:41 AM

Graham Criddle:

EX:
Is Discourse Grammar of the Greek New Testament: A Practical Introduction for Teaching and Exegesis part of this dataset? That book does not come up in the search.

Your search isn't using the Dataset - it is using a Collection called "All Grammars"

Check under Tools-> Collections and see how that Collection is defined. You can see it using the "Open" option in the Collections Tool.

Good point! However, I am wondering why this useful resource is not part of the Greek Grammatical Constructions (dataset).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 3 2015 9:48 AM

EX:
I am wondering why this useful resource is not part of the Greek Grammatical Constructions (dataset).

I don't understand.

This dataset supports tagging of the biblical text with certain grammatical constructions. It doesn't contain a set of Grammars.

Sorry I think I understand now - were you running the search from the Grammars Section of the Exegetical Guide? (which is where the "All Grammars" comes from)

If so this particular Grammar is included in those resources as shown below

So the question becomes why isn't it appearing in your results.

Please post a full screenshot showing the entire search window. That might help identify what is going on.

And apologies for any confusion or misleading information.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 3 2015 10:24 AM

EX:
Good point! However, I am wondering why this useful resource is not part of the Greek Grammatical Constructions (dataset).

I think you're misunderstanding what the Greek Grammatical Constructions (dataset) is.

This dataset does not add any resources to your library (datasets never do that). It adds new search features so you can search your Bibles for particular grammatical constructions. 

Despite what was posted by some users earlier in this thread, this dataset doesn't power the Grammars section of the exegetical guide. It powers the Grammatical Constructions section instead. Rick made that clear here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/105260/728446.aspx#728446 

There's more information about Grammatical Constructions here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/105160.aspx 

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John Brumett | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 4 2015 3:23 PM

Will verbs be included in the dataset in the future? For example I Would like to find all the Constative aorists in the New Testament.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 4 2015 3:38 PM

John Brumett:

Will verbs be included in the dataset in the future? For example I Would like to find all the Constative aorists in the New Testament.

I'm certain Logos will move on to verbs etc.

The larger issue is: while such lists offer good derivative analysis, the information may not always stand up to scrutiny in very demanding or specialized research. Use appropriately and with care.

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