Need More Info
Now that Logos Cloud has dropped, the info on the plans at LogosCloud.com are still too ambiguous for me to choose the correct plan to start off on.
I need an exhaustive comparison chart of the current resources available in each of the Logos Cloud tiers, as well as which Logos Cloud tier or tiers have all the features of Logos Now.
I am interested in Logos Cloud, and I may be able to start with a smaller tier and grow into a larger tier after my L6 base collection is paid off, but unless I have specifics about what resources each tier contains, I have no idea on which collection to signup for.
I know Logos is going to be adding more resources to the service as time goes on, and as much of a pain as it is to keep updating the resource lists, we're not interested in a "signup and see what you end up with" service. We'd like to know specifically what we're getting when signing up.
Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Nathan,
Thanks for the feedback. I've created two types of documents to make it easier for everyone to see exactly what resources come in which packages. Below, you will find collection and bibliography files (pdf) for all four levels:
Collections:
Essentials
Plus
Premium
ProfessionalPDF:
Essentials
Plus
Premium
ProfessionalI intend to keep these up-to-date as the resource licensing changes over time.
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Thanks for the info. That REALLY helps.
Two quick questions:
1. Which Cloud level has all the features of Logos Now?
2. Which Cloud level has all the EEC volumes? It seems Essential has some some them.
Nathan Parker
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All the Logos Now features are available in Premium. At the moment, all but the New Testament Manuscript Explorer and the Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset are available in Plus.
I can't make any promises about the rest of the series, but at the moment the following EEC volumes are available in Essentials:
- Esther
- Exodus
- Ezra & Nehemiah
- 1, 2, 3rd John
- James
- Lamentations
- Philemon
- Song of Songs
This is true of all packages (i.e., no additions to plus or premium; the same 8).
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Jacob Cerone said:
All the Logos Now features are available in Premium. At the moment, all but the New Testament Manuscript Explorer and the Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset are available in Plus.
I can't make any promises about the rest of the series, but at the moment the following EEC volumes are available in Essentials:
- Esther
- Exodus
- Ezra & Nehemiah
- 1, 2, 3rd John
- James
- Lamentations
- Philemon
- Song of Songs
This is true of all packages (i.e., no additions to plus or premium; the same 8).
Thanks for the info. I definitely want those two Now features, so I'd either need Premium or keep Logos Now on top of my Cloud subscription.
On those EEC commentaries, are those the same 8 I'd get if I direct purchased EEC or would I get more with the direct purchase?
Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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There are differences between the 8 volumes in Cloud and the 8 volume collection. In the 8 volume collection, the additional books of Bible are covered not in Cloud:
- Ecclesiastes
- Colossians
- Jeremiah
Cloud has split up the Lamentations/Jeremiah; Philemon/Colossians; and Ecclesiastes/Song of Songs volumes.
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Will those books eventally be covered in Cloud, and as new EEC titles become available, will they be available in Cloud? If so, that would highly encourage mr to jump aboard.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Sadly, I will have to leave that question unanswered. I know that the collections are ever growing/changing. But what will be in them, I do not know. I will leave that to others more knowledgable to answer (if they are even able at the present time).
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Sounds good. If someone happens to know about that, it would help me seriouslay decide whether to spring for Cloud. :-)
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Jacob Cerone said:
I've created two types of documents to make it easier for everyone to see exactly what resources come in which packages. Below, you will find collection and bibliography files for all three levels:
Collections:
Bibliography:
Premium
Plus
EssentialsI intend to keep these up-to-date as the resource licensing changes over time.
Jacob,
I think you should reconsider FAQ #9 "Can I get a list of resources?" (by the way, numbering them and/or putting a TOC on top of the FAQ page, thus enabling direct links to individual sections would make this FAQ page much more convenient when directing users to it ). Especially since you (Faithlife) want to aim at new users without a many-year trust relationship, the current answer will probably deemed inadequate. This answer might still be worded in a way that you don't promise a certain book which for a weird reason then becomes unavailable, however I think the FAQ should (at least) direct inquiring users to follow the group and see your bibliography documents.
If I wasn't a Logos user, this list would be the information I'd look for when deciding about this (especially since installation of software. a multi GB download and time consuming indexing is between deciding to give it a try and actually seeing the power of it).
Mick
Have joy in the Lord!
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I'm getting no information when I click on Premium under Collections. All I get is "Your copy of this document is up to date". Under Biography, everything seems to work OK. Is there any say to see what resources are available in Premium. I'm certainly not going in this direction until I know what I'm getting.
Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.
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Alex Scott said:
I'm getting no information when I click on Premium under Collections. All I get is "Your copy of this document is up to date".
A collection is something you can use in your L6 library to see which products belong.
Alex Scott said:Under Biography, everything seems to work OK. Is there any say to see what resources are available in Premium.
Erm, this?
It will give you all of them (not in a nice list, though)
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
A collection is something you can use in your L6 library to see which products belong.
That's not the point. I know what is in my library. I want to know (and surely anyone wanting to subscribe to Cloud) what are the resources you get when you subscribe, in this case to the Premium level. I cannot believe that Logos is expecting new users to subscribe to this sight unseen. There is absolutely no information on the web-site as to what resources you get when you subscribe. And even if there is a list somewhere in the forums, that certainly is not the place a new user is going to look. This is ridiculous.
Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.
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Alex Scott said:NB.Mick said:
A collection is something you can use in your L6 library to see which products belong.
That's not the point. I know what is in my library.
If you know what's in your library and how collections work, why do you expect it to give you information it can't?
Alex Scott said:I want to know (and surely anyone wanting to subscribe to Cloud) what are the resources you get when you subscribe, in this case to the Premium level. I cannot believe that Logos is expecting new users to subscribe to this sight unseen. There is absolutely no information on the web-site as to what resources you get when you subscribe.
Did you actually read me post above? That's exactly my point and I was encouraging Jacob to not leave the FAQ as it reads now but give the information that is available out to potential users.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Maybe you don't read so well either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Jacob not say above, "I've created two types of documents to make it easier for everyone to see exactly what resources come in which packages. Below, you will find collection and bibliography files for all three levels:", and "I intend to keep these up-to-date as the resource licensing changes over time"? And was the purpose of my first post above not to say that I'm not getting the indicated information when I click on Premium under the Collections files???
Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.
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My apologies for the ambiguous language. The two types of documents exist for two types of users. The collection files are intended to show subscribers what resources they have in their respective levels in cases where they own base packages or other resources.
The bibliography files were created for users interested in subscribing and want to see what resources are in each level before subscribing.
All,
Regarding the FAQ, thanks for the suggestion and concern, and I will pass this information along.
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Jacob Cerone said:
My apologies for the ambiguous language. The two types of documents exist for two types of users. The collection files are intended to show subscribers what resources they have in their respective levels in cases where they own base packages or other resources.
The bibliography files were created for users interested in subscribing and want to see what resources are in each level before subscribing.
All,
Regarding the FAQ, thanks for the suggestion and concern, and I will pass this information along.
Sounds good. Linking to those from the FAQ would be perfect!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Jacob Cerone said:
The bibliography files were created for users interested in subscribing and want to see what resources are in each level before subscribing.
You have GOT to be kidding!!!!!! You mean I have to sort through over 100 pages of documents sorted only by the Author's names in random order to try and discover what the resources are???? You people have taken a wonderful concept and turned it into a total useless morass of gibberish. Can I get a list of those who subscribe to this mess??? I have some land in Florida I'd like to sell them.
Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.
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Alex Scott said:
You mean I have to sort through over 100 pages of documents sorted only by the Author's names in random order to try and discover what the resources are????
Er.. ah ... it looks like typical bibliographic order to me. What am I missing?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Nathan, how do you get to view those documents? All I see is a page which says that my copy is up to date. What copy? I don't see one anywhere! It seems that I need some higher knowledge to get access to such documents. Can you please provide that so that I'm able to see the documents? Thanks.
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John Duffy said:
how do you get to view those documents? All I see is a page which says that my copy is up to date. What copy?
That would be your copy of the Collection you can view in the Documents menu of L6. They show you what you own. The Bibliography documents contain all of the Cloud material and can be seen from inside L6 or on the linked documents.logos.com page. Plus:
Jacob has edited his post to also include PDFs of the Bibliographies: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/107124/740717.aspx#740717
Have joy in the Lord!
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Thanks Mick, I'll have a look at that. But how do I provide a link so that when I'm promoting Logos Cloud interested church members can view the list of resources? They need to be Logos users, and know more about it than I do/did (where to view the documents), before they can see what they would be paying for! Not only is there a steep learning curve once they sign up for Logos, but they need to ascend and conquer that learning curve before they can find out what resources they are paying for. I'm a great fan of the concept of Logos Cloud, but I would like to see a simple webpage (which I gather would be regularly updated) with a list of resources visible to the public before I can promote it.
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John Duffy said:
They need to be Logos users, and know more about it than I do/did (where to view the documents), before they can see what they would be paying for!
If you just give them the link to Jacob's post, they will see three pdfs (the last three documents) where they can see what resources they will get. Even that might be overwhelming for most people. Logos has tried to break it down into very easy descriptions of intended tasks and functionality in the three levels of Cloud: https://logoscloud.com/pricing
Other than that, I think it's the "come and see!" approach - since the first month is free, there's no risk if somebody subscribes 'for a try' and cancels within four weeks.
Have joy in the Lord!
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John Duffy said:I'm a great fan of the concept of Logos Cloud, but I would like to see a simple webpage (which I gather would be regularly updated) with a list of resources visible to the public before I can promote it.
Me too. But just be aware, John, that the list you'll get under the collections title that shows up in your Logos 6, is a list of all that you already own that is a part of the cloud resources. That must be of some value to someone somewhere but it's practical use totally escapes me.
The lists under the bibliographies contain all the resources but they are hidden behind the author's names and the only way to get any idea of what the resources are is to read through the entire list of 162 pages and hope you find what you are looking for.
Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.
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NB.Mick said:
Other than that, I think it's the "come and see!" approach - since the first month is free, there's no risk if somebody subscribes 'for a try' and cancels within four weeks.
Hi Mick. Hmm, a bibliographic list, sorted by author name, isn't really what I would have liked to see. I was hoping to see something like the comparison list of resources in base packages. I don't really want to ask people to sign up in order to see what they would get if they signed up. But I suppose that a comparison table will appear in due course - it'd just have been good to have it when Logos Cloud is first launched.
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Jacob Cerone said:
Nathan,
Thanks for the feedback. I've created two types of documents to make it easier for everyone to see exactly what resources come in which packages. Below, you will find collection and bibliography files for all three levels:
Collections:
Bibliography:
Premium
Plus
EssentialsPDF:
I intend to keep these up-to-date as the resource licensing changes over time.
I'm not seeing these two items in your Cloud Plus PDF Bib. Are they still a part of Cloud Plus?
Qumran Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls Database
Reformed Dogmatics, Geerhardus Vos
Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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I think one of these was included in the Cloud Plus list, but I can't tell if both are in there. Are Vocab of the Greek New Testament and Moulton-Howard-Turner Greek Grammar Collection included in Cloud Plus? Those are the two volumes I'm missing from L6 Biblical Languages, but I haven't found a way to justify either option to go for them yet.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Hi Nathan,
At the moment, the Moulton-Howard-Turner Greek Grammar Collection is not included in Plus, but Moulton's Vocabulary of the Greek Testament is. The Qumran Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls Database and Vos' Reformed Dogmatics are also in Plus.
Hope that helps!
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Jonathan Bolin said:
Hi Nathan,
At the moment, the Moulton-Howard-Turner Greek Grammar Collection is not included in Plus, but Moulton's Vocabulary of the Greek Testament is. The Qumran Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls Database and Vos' Reformed Dogmatics are also in Plus.
Hope that helps!
jonThanks for the info! Much appreciated!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Jacob, has the files been updated for the new resources added this month, and will you be rolling a set of files for the new Professional collection (just curious on what I'm missing out at $100/month). :-)
Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Nathan,
All the files have now been updated. I've also added a collection and pdf file for the Professional Collection.
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Jacob Cerone said:
Nathan,
All the files have now been updated. I've also added a collection and pdf file for the Professional Collection.
Sounds great. How do I update to the latest copies of the files inside Logos? Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Since I used the same collection files and only added to them. They should sync to the master file that you've downloaded. If that is not the case, re-add the file to your account.
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