Syntax Search question
I am trying to learn how to use the syntax search. I started out with something simple, just to try to figure out how the tool works. I wanted to find all the places where εἰμι is used. Here's how I set up the search:
This produces 136 hits. To check my work, I did a morphology search with lemma:εἰμί@VPAI1S which returned 280 hits (which is actually 140 hits because of the way the morph search counts hits, right?). Why the difference? The morph search found Rom 7:14 and Rev 1:18 that the syntax search didn't. Other than that, I don't see a difference in the results.
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Gary O'Neal said:
I am trying to learn how to use the syntax search.
Gary, take a look at this thread, Kevin and Rick walked me through the process:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/11066.aspx
While not an answer to your question, it does give more examples of using the tool.
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I did a syntax search for eimi with just the morph restrictions
It came up with 140 hits, just like your regular morph search. This leads me to think that the 136 hits for your search includes Clause functions with more than 1 occurrence of ειμι in them.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:
It came up with 140 hits, just like your regular morph search. This leads me to think that the 136 hits for your search includes Clause functions with more than 1 occurrence of ειμι in them.
Ok, thanks Kevin. I see that. So I wanted to construct a search that would return Rom 7:14 and Rev. 1:18. Any suggestions? I opened the graphs and tried to construct a search to match the clause analysis and have come up blank.
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Terry Poperszky said:
Gary, take a look at this thread, Kevin and Rick walked me through the process:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/11066.aspx
While not an answer to your question, it does give more examples of using the tool.
Terry
That's the thread that got me started with this, so I've been trying to figure it out. BTW, my name is 'John' on that thread. [:O]
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Gary O'Neal said:
εἰμί is not the head term at those locations so it cannot be accessed via a node (verb phrase, Verbal function). Another verb denoted by verb* is the head. So it can only found by specifying it at the Word level.
Dave
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Gary O'Neal said:
Thank you. This thread has helped me to figure some things out. I'll walk you through my process of discovery.
So I wanted to get a search that returned Rom 7:14. I made a search I thought would find it (notice the matching skips levels)
But that didn't return it. Dave's comment on head terms made me realize that the information in the nodes follows the head terms down (notice the "head term morphology" ect in the right side panel!
So πεπραμενος is the term that the CL*, V*, vp*, and verb* nodes are encoded with not ειμι. To turn ειμι up here we would need to include a word, even the terminal node wouldn't work because there is no * beside it.
Of course this all would probably be moot if the Cascadia graphs were right on this section!
This is not a verbless clause! Unless there's a rule of syntax I'm forgetting this sure seems like an error. OpenText backs me up.
So, anyone, is there a rule I'm forgetting or should I dig up the syntax database error reporting?
Prov. 15:23
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Gary O'Neal said:
BTW, my name is 'John' on that thread.
I really wish the forum gave you access to all the other posts rather than the one you are replying too [:$]
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Kevin Becker said:
This is not a verbless clause! Unless there's a rule of syntax I'm forgetting this sure seems like an error. OpenText backs me up.
Kevin
Thanks for digging this out. I could see no reason why it wasn't returning this hit. I'll have to keep working with this and try to figure this tool out better.
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Dave Hooton said:Gary O'Neal said:
εἰμί is not the head term at those locations so it cannot be accessed via a node (verb phrase, Verbal function). Another verb denoted by verb* is the head. So it can only found by specifying it at the Word level.
Dave
I see that εἰμί isn't marked as the head term, but the construction seems to be the same as other verses where it is marked as the head term. Is there any reason for this?
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Terry Poperszky said:Gary O'Neal said:
BTW, my name is 'John' on that thread.
I really wish the forum gave you access to all the other posts rather than the one you are replying too
Ha ha! [:D] That's ok. You gave me a chuckle. I can't say anything about calling people the wrong name. I pastored (or pestered) a lady named Alice for six years--and for six years I often found myself calling her April.
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Terry Poperszky said:
I really wish the forum gave you access to all the other posts rather than the one you are replying too
Hi Terry, there is a way to have access, even if in another tab.... at least in IE8. YMMV on how you have to do it. Here's how it works for me:
- Even while you're on the Compose page of a single post you're replying to....
- Scroll up to the navigation area (top left) of the page. On this page, it's Home>Logos 4>Syntax Search question
- Ctrl+Left Click on the last entry (here, Syntax Search question )
- A new page opens up giving you access to all the posts in the thread.
If there is more than a single page of posts in the thread, you'll still have to navigate to the right page. But it works.
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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BillS said:
Hi Terry, there is a way to have access, even if in another tab.... at least in IE8. YMMV on how you have to do it. Here's how it works for me:
Gee, that works. Thanks.
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Gary O'Neal said:
I see that εἰμί isn't marked as the head term, but the construction seems to be the same as other verses where it is marked as the head term. Is there any reason for this?
Whenever two verbs occur together εἰμί is not nominated as the head. That occurs in Jn 3:28 (2nd) and Acts 25:10 in addition to Rom 7:14 and Rev. 1:18. I cannot answer why, but OpenText certainly differs in each case!
Dave
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