Retiring the Send-to-Kindle Feature on 3/31

This is terrible news. I rely on that feature, and it keeps my buying Logos books instead of Kindle books.

Robert M. Warren

Betcha the Upload button for Personal Books is next.

William Gabriel

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31. You'll be able to use the service through the end of the month. After that point, it will no longer work. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you.

Noooooo!!!!!

My only consolation is that it wasn't enabled on most of the books I wanted to transfer.

Bradley Ermeling

Will this only limit the sending of additional resources? Will resources already sent to kindle continue to work?

Phil Gons (Logos)

Will this only limit the sending of additional resources? Will resources already sent to kindle continue to work?

Great question, which I probably should have addressed in the original post. Once a resource is sent to Kindle, it will continue to work even after we retire the feature.

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31.

Sigh. [:(]

Erwin Stull, Sr.

Betcha the Upload button for Personal Books is next.

I, myself, doubt if the upload personal books feature will go away. I could be wrong, but it appears that the discrepancy between Faithlife and Amazon would be more legal than anything else. The personal book (PB) feature is exclusively Faithlife/Logos.

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31.

[:'(]

Lew Worthington

This is terrible news. I rely on that feature....

Mark (or anyone else) -- If you have a moment, can you elaborate, please? I'm interested because I used the feature at first, but eventually found it redundant since I could access my FL resources in a FL mobile app.

This question arises from more than mere curiosity. If there's a compelling reason to use the kindle in this way, I might spend a bit of time over the next 24 days or so taking advantage of the feature before it goes away.

William Gabriel

Mark (or anyone else) -- If you have a moment, can you elaborate, please? I'm interested because I used the feature at first, but eventually found it redundant since I could access my FL resources in a FL mobile app.

This question arises from more than mere curiosity. If there's a compelling reason to use the kindle in this way, I might spend a bit of time over the next 24 days or so taking advantage of the feature before it goes away.

Personally, I prefer to read on a Kindle Paperwhite over a computer/phone/tablet. Nothing beats the Logos universe for research: notes, cross-references and everything else that falls under the umbrella of research. But when I need to simply read a block of text efficiently, the paperwhite experience is second to none.

I did not find an efficient way to transfer highlights and notes back to Logos, but going through that process manually provides some good review.

Matthew C Jones

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31.

Sigh.

Double sigh.

Personally, I prefer to read on a Kindle Paperwhite over a computer/phone/tablet. Nothing beats the Logos universe for research: notes, cross-references and everything else that falls under the umbrella of research. But when I need to simply read a block of text efficiently, the paperwhite experience is second to none.

Precisely.

If I want to read my Logos books on an eInk display, I'm now going to be forced to buy e-Ink Android devices and use the Logos app on there. That's going to cost me the best part of $200 [:(].

Bradley Ermeling

Thank you for clarifying. Just downloaded 93 items.

NB.Mick

There will be obvious blow back in that several people claimed to have upgraded to 6 for only this reason.

Actually, for me, this feature was one reason to buy a Kindle device last summer - reading stuff in glaring sunlight.

Not that I did use this feature a lot, but I could have. This still is sad news.

Robert M. Warren

doubt if the upload personal books feature will go away.

No, not for Amazon, etc. reasons. But, we have been told on the Android forum that syncing to mobile hasn't happened yet because of copyright/piracy concerns, rather than overwhelming technical issues. From that perspective, there is no difference between uploading a PB for desktop sync and uploading the same PB for mobile sync.

Christopher Engelsma

It's still very easy to send text to a Kindle. Just a few extra steps.

Hapax Legomena

This is a sad day.

Cromwell

This disappointing development raises this question:

Are there any other features, advertised and purchased as part of Logos 6, that are liable to stop working? Perhaps I am naive, but I thought that unless a feature was advertised as time limited (like two year access to Logos Books) then it should continue to function because it was purchased as part of a program. I have purchased other software that became dated, but never stopped doing what it did when used within the OS for which it was designed.

If the issue is Amazon, then could not an alternative be provided e.g. export as epub to our own HDD?

If the issue is a particular publisher or books bought after the Logos 6 purchase, could not the functionality be retained for books purchased by a set date? If the issue is not Amazon, then I don't understand how some ebook export feature cannot be retained.

Jonathan

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31. You'll be able to use the service through the end of the month. After that point, it will no longer work. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you.

Update: Books already sent to Kindle will not be affected by this change. You will be able to continue to enjoy them on your Kindle after 3/31.

I am guessing the following suggestion would be an impossibility based on my exegesis of your use of the words "combination of" and "permission issues." However, if this is an Amazon-only dispute, it would be nice if Logos considered enabling a create ePub feature.

Yasmin Stephen

I would be surprised if this had anything to do with Amazon. 'Technical' sounds like it's on Faithlife's end, and 'legal' and 'permission' sound like publsihers. My speculating little two cents.

GaoLu

Betcha the Upload button for Personal Books is next.

<<SHHHHHHHHHHH!!!>>

He didn't say nuthin'!

I agree it is too bad to see Send To Kindle go away, but really, it's not very hard to do the old fashioned way. What is lost other than a couple steps?

Liam

So bummed! I rely on this feature to send my books to the Marvin app. Will logos develop a send to ePub replacement feature by any chance? Or please put more reader friendly options in the Logos app.

Bernhard

I really appreciated the ability to use that function, but have been wondering how the publishers would allow Logos to offer it. The files do not have any DRM protection and it is trivial to convert them to any other e-book format and read them on any device. I certainly do not think that DRM is a good thing, but it was strange that the publishers would allow Logos to do something that they wouldn't allow other booksellers to do.

it would be nice if Logos considered enabling a create ePub feature.

... or create MOBI feature.

Todd Hinton

Very disappointing news. This was a great feature, and yes, a particular reason to purchase Logos 6. It will be hard to reproduce a feature that is that useful in future releases of Logos.

The good news is that purchasing books directly for Kindle will remain an attractive option.

danwdoo

Horrible news. This will mean most of my non-reference book purchases will be now be made at Amazon instead of Logos. I definitely prefer reading on an e-ink screen. Any hope we could see this return sometime in the future? This feature alone is worth paying for.

Francis

Whatever obstacles have led to this decision: I hope that FL is hearing what is being said here, business will be lost to the profit of Amazon.

Brian Losabia

The availability of the "Send To Kindle" function played a big part in my decision to purchase things like the C.S. Lewis collection, since I knew that I would enjoy reading those books on a Kindle.

This announcement from FL also sort of changes the way I feel about the Britannica Great Books of the Western World collection, as well. I don't really want to read Huck Finn or Cervantes inside of the Logos GUI, and other than the Syntopicon, I was imagining myself mainly using the Kindle to read many of those works.

[EDIT]: What's happening is sort of the reverse of a value add resulting from a new feature. Instead of a new feature of Logos ADDING utility to a resource in our libraries, this feature subtraction is actually making purchased resources LESS USEFUL than they were before. It could very well be removing utility which was present at the time of purchase of the resource.

Sometimes publishers will change licensing agreements with Logos, and as a result certain resources will no longer be available for sale on the Logos website. Anyone who owned the resource prior to the removal has, in the past, been "grandfathered", and has continued to have access to a resource that was rightfully purchased under an agreement which, for whatever reason, is no longer offered. Would Faithlife be able to "grandfather" the Send To Kindle function for folks who owned and/or purchased resources during the time window when Send to Kindle was available?

Whatever obstacles have led to this decision: I hope that FL is hearing what is being said here, business will be lost to the profit of Amazon.

If the decision is genuinely necessary, one way of mitigating the negatives would be for the Android app to better support e-Ink devices. Even simple changes like supporting hardware buttons, and an e-Ink colour scheme would help.

BillS

Will the Bible app still run on Kindle?

Will the Bible app still run on Kindle?

On the Kindle Fire, yes.

Peter Bongers

Disappointing, but not earth shattering. There is a very simple and FREE alternative.

Open desired resource in Logos;
Select Print/Export, and select the sections you wish to export to Kindle;
Under Export (lower right panel) utilize either "Save as file - Rich Text Format" or "Send to new document: Microsoft Word."
If you exported as an RTF file open it in Word and save as a Word file, or open the Word file you created to begin with;
Open the free Calibre E-book management program which you have previously installed;
Load the Word file which you created from your resource into Calibre (either by drag-and-drop or clicking "Add books") then click the "Convert books" button on the Calibre tool bar at the top, making sure to select DOCX as "input format" and MOBI or AZW3 as ouput format;
Now you have your resource in a format which you can send to your Kindle by attaching it to an email which you send to your device (it will be located wherever your Calibre library is located);

It really is quite easy and straightforward, and as a bonus if there are any limitations to size, they can be overcome by simply cutting and pasting into a single DOCX document before exporting to Calibre / Kindle.

Hope this eases the pain. [:)]

There is a very simple and FREE alternative.

But:

The 100 page limitation is a problem for most books.
You don't get clickable Bible references (which is a huge plus over standard Kindle books).

PS — My preferred workaround for the time being is to use the "Send to Kindle" printer driver, and to set the page size to the absolute maximum allowed (to work around the 100 page limit). An A2 paper size with smallest margins and smallest text will export around 400 book pages to Kindle. That's generally the easiest work around, I think.

DMB

I wonder if Send-to-Kindle was even used that much. No one seems terribly upset. Maybe Mark.

I tried it when it first came out. But the Logos books got in the way of my Kindle religious book reading. So, that was that.

I also wonder at the coincidence of Apple loosing its case last week. A big smile on Amazon's face.

Peter Bongers

Mark:

The 100 page limit can easily be overcome by simply copying and pasting into the same Word doc before you save and import to Calibre (as I indicated in the last paragraph of my post above) and you DO get clickable Bible references. I just did a quick conversion, then hit Ctrl-right click on the referenced in the document which I converted into MOBI format, and my open bible in Logos went to those resources, although right now I am on my laptop and not my Kindle DX.

Peter

Justin Gatlin

Put me on the list of people who bought a PaperWhite because of Send to Kindle. Pretty disappointed. It isn't a huge deal on its own because of the work-arounds, but combined with everything else which has happened in the last six months, it continues a steady erosion of trust.

Fr Devin Roza

I for one will be very sad to see this go. The Kindle files that Logos & Verbum create are far superior even to the original Kindle files that Amazon sells, as they include the Bible references. I really appreciate being able to read on an e-ink screen, and may end up getting an Android e-reader because of that now to run the Android Verbum app on it.

PS — My preferred workaround for the time being is to use the "Send to Kindle" printer driver, and to set the page size to the absolute maximum allowed (to work around the 100 page limit). An A2 paper size with smallest margins and smallest text will export around 400 book pages to Kindle. That's generally the easiest work around, I think.

Unfortunately, in the current version of the Send to Kindle PC driver, this will send an A2 size PDF to the Kindle, which is not very useful, at least if you "Send to Kindle" directly from the Print/Export screen.

Here are the easiest steps I know of at the moment.This will create a fully native Kindle document, with a native Kindle table of contents, and working footnotes. Unfortunately no BIble link references that work on a Kindle e-reader:

1. Make the font as small as possible. Choose Print/Export...

2. Change the paper size to A2, and the margins to Narrow. Save the A2 document as an RTF file.

3. Open the RTF in Word. Type Ctrl-A to select all. Then type Ctrl-Shift-F9 to remove all hyperlinks. The hyperlinks Logos and Verbum export won't work in the e-reader Kindle, so you should remove them to avoid problems and confusion.

4. In the RTF file, add in the Heading 1, 2, 3 styles as needed to create a Table of Contents.

5. At the very end of the document, insert a Table of Contents from the reference menu.

6. Save as DOCX.

7. Right click on the DOCX file, and "Send to Kindle" (having installed the "Send to Kindle" printer driver).

Steve Farson

Yes, this is a major disappointment. I bought Logos books, paying more, knowing I could read them in the Logos app and on my Kindle.

BillS

Will the Bible app still run on Kindle?

On the Kindle Fire, yes.

Thanks, Mark.

Will the Bible app still run on Kindle?

On the Kindle Fire, yes.

Thanks, Mark.

To elaborate: A Kindle Fire is a modified Android App and, as such, runs the Android Mobile App. The "send to kindle" feature, although used by some users in creative ways, was always intended as a means to get resources on to the Kindle e-ink ("normal" kindle) devices.

Kevin Byford (Faithlife)

Will the Bible app still run on Kindle?

On the Kindle Fire, yes.

Thanks, Mark.

Well, it depends on which Kindle Fire - those with green checkmarks are still supported:

Stephen Steele

This is terrible news. I rely on that feature, and it keeps my buying Logos books instead of Kindle books.

Agreed.

It's also deeply upsetting that even though this feature hasn't been available for any new resources for the last 6 months, some Faithlife employees have publicly denied that it affected all products, and continued to promote a feature which was broken. (I'm not saying they knew they were giving out misinformation, but unintentionally or not that's what happened - and it shouldn't have been allowed to). See for example, Mark Ward's reply to my comment in January at the very bottom of this Logos Talk post - where he was confident enough to contradict a forum post by another Faithlife employee.

This lack of transparency conveniently resulted in 6 months extra sales for Logos 6 base packages and resources based on a key feature (many have stated elsewhere that this was the primary reason they upgraded) which didn't work as advertised.

In the last 6 months I personally have bought many books in Logos format rather than kindle format because Faithlife staff told us that the send-to-kindle engine was being updated.

This is terrible news. I rely on that feature, and it keeps my buying Logos books instead of Kindle books.

Agreed.

It's also deeply upsetting that even though this feature hasn't been available for any new resources for the last 6 months, some Faithlife employees have publicly denied that it affected all products, and continued to promote a feature which was broken. (I'm not saying they knew they were giving out misinformation, but unintentionally or not that's what happened - and it shouldn't have been allowed to). See for example, Mark Ward's reply to my comment in January at the very bottom of this Logos Talk post - where he was confident enough to contradict a forum post by another Faithlife employee.

This lack of transparency conveniently resulted in 6 months extra sales for Logos 6 base packages and resources based on a key feature (many have stated elsewhere that this was the primary reason they upgraded) which didn't work as advertised.

In the last 6 months I personally have bought many books in Logos format rather than kindle format because Faithlife staff told us that the send-to-kindle engine was being updated.

I echo your frustration. Send-to-Kindle is an important feature for me as well.

(delete)

http://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/amazon-disables-send-to-kindle-on-rival-bookstores

See this article for a partial explanation:

Curtis M

I too am sad to lose this feature as I do a lot of reading on my Kindle (I much prefer e-ink to a screen for extended periods of reading). As as been said by others, this will affect what I buy from Logos. Before send-to-kindle, I only bought reference works on Logos (commentaries, grammars, lexicons, ect.), but bought special interest books, monographs, ect elsewhere because I would have to be hard put to actually want to read a book within the Faithlife ecosystem. I am sad to have to return to my previous habits because I would much rather give my money to Faithlife then "the others".

I would second the motion to develop an e-pub export system as an alternative. There are plenty of inexpensive alternatives to Kindle that will handle e-pub.

abondservant

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31. You'll be able to use the service through the end of the month. After that point, it will no longer work. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you.

Update: Books already sent to Kindle will not be affected by this change. You will be able to continue to enjoy them on your Kindle after 3/31.

Thank you for letting us know in advance. Even though this doesn't directly affect me, it makes me feel like my complaints have been heard.

mab

Amazon seems to think they run the universe. Kindle is their platform so they can play bully. I am completely content using Kindle as an app mostly on tablet and mostly for free books.

I think Logos is great on tablet. We'll survive.

Stephen Steele

While there may be licensing & permission issues outside Faithlife's control with sending copyrighted content to kindle - the same wouldn't be the case for public domain works.

Therefore there would be nothing stopping Logos having an 'export to kindle format' feature for public domain works, classic commentaries etc.

While there may be licensing & permission issues outside Faithlife's control with sending copyrighted content to kindle - the same wouldn't be the case for public domain works.

The link above said that Amazon has been stopping third-parties sending lots of "Send to Kindle" requests on behalf of customers, so it's likely that this couldn't be an automated process.

Export would still be a possibility, but that does widen the piracy door.

Corcimaru Serghei

Terrible news! Without this feature I will definitely buy less books from Logos... If possible, please, try to fix all the problems and bring this feature back!

Jacob Hantla

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31. You'll be able to use the service through the end of the month. After that point, it will no longer work. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you.

Update: Books already sent to Kindle will not be affected by this change. You will be able to continue to enjoy them on your Kindle after 3/31.

Thanks for the heads-up. This is sad news. I didn't use the feature all the time but when I did, I loved it. For some things, reading on my kindle paperwhite was so much better. I hope that this can make a return in the future

TCBlack

Well... I've just sent a dozen or so over, and I already have a few hundred on my Kindle now so I'll have plenty of casual reading for awhile.

Michael Grinder

That feature was the only reason I ever bought books through Logos. Until an equivalent feature is added, I won't be purchasing anything else.

Bruce Dunning

That feature was the only reason I ever bought books through Logos. Until an equivalent feature is added, I won't be purchasing anything else.

I too am disappointed but I would not say it was the "only" reason why I bought books through Logos. I'm curious, do you not find any value in the desktop and mobile applications?

SineNomine

That feature was the only reason I ever bought books through Logos. Until an equivalent feature is added, I won't be purchasing anything else.

I too am disappointed but I would not say it was the "only" reason why I bought books through Logos. I'm curious, do you not find any value in the desktop and mobile applications?

Did you only buy books from Faithlife that were unavailable on Amazon for the Kindle or that were cheaper from Faithlife?

J. Jackson

Well bummer. My Kindle Voyage (e ink), which I bought for this specific purpose, had become my preferred way of reading books from cover to cover.

JoshInRI

I am absolutely floored by this. Words fail me.

Video Tutorial: How to Send to Kindle after the "Send to Kindle" service is switched off

For those that are interested, I've created a quick video tutorial on what it will take to get your books onto a Kindle after 31 March. You might want to watch that to decide whether to spend the next two weeks sending hundreds of books to Kindle, just in case! After reviewing my options, I've decided not to do that.

Ragnheðin Ryggstein

What is "The old way"

http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/06/15/baen-books-reveals-amazons-byzantine-policies-on-kindle-email-delivery/

What is "The old way"

See Mark's thread here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/124007.aspx

Jacob Hantla

I wonder if Logos would be willing to make an export format that we could then manually send to kindle on our own to keep the hyperlinks. That way Logos doesn't have to be the one to interact with Kindle, but we could still send to Kindle with hyperlinks

Nathanael King

This is just really, really poor customer service. You're removing a feature that adds value to all our resources. I'll definitely be purchasing items on amazon rather than on logos because of this. Please consider allowing books to be downloaded as epub or mobi files to compensate users for the loss of this feature. It seems deceptive that you advertised this as a feature that people based their decision to upgrade on, and now you're removing it. If this wasn't Bible software, you would probably find yourselves having to deal with a class-action lawsuit. Please consider reversing your decision or providing an alternative.

MJ. Smith

This is just really, really poor customer service.

You did notice that there are legal considerations, right?

Due to a combination of technical, legal, and permission issues outside our control, we're going to retire the send-to-Kindle feature on 3/31.

http://shop.oreilly.com/category/customer-service/kindle.do

https://www.reddit.com/r/kindle/comments/30e3lr/amazon_pulls_plug_from_the_free_send_to_kindle/

http://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/amazon-disables-send-to-kindle-on-rival-bookstores

My take is a bit different as I had wondered about legal issues when it was first implemented ,,, but I think we need to be realistic and find legal and ethical ways to get the functionality we need.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Please consider reversing your decision or providing an alternative.

For alternative, see thread => Video Tutorial: How to Send to Kindle after the "Send to Kindle" service is switched off

This is just really, really poor customer service.

Observation: Amazon has a business incentive to encourage more purchases for Amazon by discouraging other eBook sellers from sending to Kindle.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Charlene

WOW! This is so sad to hear.[:'(]

Josh "Hawaii" Nelson

I just got an email about this today....and it's already disabled. I do wish I knew about that because I used the feature last year and just started using it again a few days ago. I would have sent over a few more books. I really wish you emailed this out to me sooner!!

I love that in the devotional I sent over I can read my preferred version through hyperlinks. That's pretty amazing.

Will it be possible to export a .mobi or .epub in the near future?

178294z

Very sad to hear of this. I wish I would have heard of it before today. This feature is a MAJOR draw to Logos and one reason I have chosen to buy logos formats over other features.

Phil Gons (Logos)

I just got an email about this today....and it's already disabled. I do wish I knew about that because I used the feature last year and just started using it again a few days ago. I would have sent over a few more books. I really wish you emailed this out to me sooner!!

I love that in the devotional I sent over I can read my preferred version through hyperlinks. That's pretty amazing.

Very sad to hear of this. I wish I would have heard of it before today. This feature is a MAJOR draw to Logos and one reason I have chosen to buy logos formats over other features.

I'm really sorry this is the first you'd heard of it. Anyone who used the feature was supposed to be notified a few weeks ago, but it looks like that didn't happen. I'm going to see if we can keep the feature active for another couple of weeks for those of you who didn't get notified before today.

Ralph Mauch

I'm really sorry this is the first you'd heard of it. Anyone who used the feature was supposed to be notified a few weeks ago, but it looks like that didn't happen. I'm going to see if we can keep the feature active for another couple of weeks for those of you who didn't get notified before today.

First I've heard of this was tonight, which prompted me to checkout the Forum list to see if there were more details. I was surprised that it was allowed for this long of a time period...we live in a more secular world than at any time before. This won't change any of my buying habits with FL, but I wish I didn't need to buy from Amazon, since it isn't close to what I get from Logos, Many more things I could say, other than Amazon has been a bad crutch in my life, and like with so many other things, it's too easy to spend unnecessary money on "things".

Blessings,

Craig Ostrander

I too was not notified of this until today and feature appears switched off. I am going to Israel and wanted to get a few of my commentaries on my Kindle since I won't be able to take my laptop with me on the trip. reading on the Kindle is so much more convenient then the laptop or iPad at times. You can read outside in the daylight where that is impossible on a laptop or iPad

Craig Ostrander

I attempted to "send to my Kindle" a couple hours ago as the option was still there. But it seem the upload is stuck in an endless loop as the upload progress bar is still moving but it has been like that for about 4 hours now and I see no way to end it.

But it seem the upload is stuck in an endless loop as the upload progress bar is still moving but it has been like that for about 4 hours now and I see no way to end it.

Restart the app and/or computer. The app doesn't actually "upload" anything... it simply sends a request to Logos.

I attempted to "send to my Kindle" a couple hours ago as the option was still there. But it seem the upload is stuck in an endless loop as the upload progress bar is still moving but it has been like that for about 4 hours now and I see no way to end it.

I suspect it will stay there until you upgrade to the next version of Logos (which is currently in beta testing). When you Send to Kindle, all your PC does is send a very simple request to the Logos servers. The "upload" happens from the Logos servers, not your PC. When you request a status update (by having the info panel open on that book), Logos asks the server "have you done it yet?". Until it gets an answer in the affirmative (which it now won't), it will keep saying "Uploading".

It's not doing any harm, and if you're not actually requesting a status update, then nothing will actually be happening for you to worry about.

Michael High

The first I heard of the death of Send-To-Kindle was an email sent by Logos at 22:12 on 31st March. So I had no opportunity to download any more books. As I use a 27" iMac for study and sermon prep, I bought a Kindle for reading for pleasure, purely on the strength of the Send-to-Kindle feature. On 1st April I received a follow up email that promised an 18 day stay of execution, but this turned out to be an April Fool message as the Send-to-Kindle is already dead (I've had a 'Kindle upload in progress' message for eight hours now).

Sorry Logos, but after 14 years of good service, you've really screwed up this time. I'm going to have to cancel all my books on pre-pub as I can't read them in comfort or on my travels. Don't expect me to buy a fancy phone or iPad. I'm back to paper, where support does not evaporate at short notice.

Levi Durfey

as the Send-to-Kindle is already dead (I've had a 'Kindle upload in progress' message for eight hours now).

It's not dead yet, see the above posts and also here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/124672/813819.aspx#813819

Bill Carroll

This is very sad news. Kindle is my portable choice for using Logos books with church services and Bible studies. Its also like "free advertising" because church members get to see the power of Logos in action.

So if Kindle and Logos won't be cooperating in the future, what other tablet options do we have for Logos (other than iPad and Android phones)?

Graham Criddle

So if Kindle and Logos won't be cooperating in the future, what other tablet options do we have for Logos?

There are Faithlife apps - which provide access to most of your Logos resources - available for Android and iOS.

The issue some people have with them as that most tablets are not "e-ink" and so cause strain on eyes. Apart from that the apps provide more functionality than the basic reading experience on the Kindle.

Graham Criddle

(other than iPad and Android phones)?

You could get a full Windows tablet - such as the Surface Pro family

Eric Ross

Send to kindle provides three advantages:

1) E-ink is easier on the eyes for most people
2) E-ink is usually lighter in weight and makes for an easier cover-to-cover reading.
3) E-ink has a battery life measured in multiple days.
4) The current Kindle screen apps have much larger fonts which make it useable for those with vision problems. (this could be remedied with larger fonts in the Logos/Vyrso/Verbum apps).

It is unfortunate that the current solution must fold, but I hope that that FL will be cognizant of how important this feature is. Maybe its send through email/local upload or send to Kobo. Regardless, I hope that the licensing mine-field can be navigated and new solution can be identified.

Kindle is my portable choice for using Logos books with church services and Bible studies. Its also like "free advertising" because church members get to see the power of Logos in action.

For clarification: Your post sounds like you are talking about a Kindle Fire device. Is that right? This thread has nothing to do with the mobile app for kindle fire devices (which is the android app). It is only about kindle e-ink devices (such as the paper white).

This thread has nothing to do with the mobile app for kindle fire devices (which is the android app). It is only about kindle e-ink devices (such as the paper white).

Wrong!

Send to Kindle works with both the Kindle Fire and the e-Ink devices. The app only works on the Fire devices. This thread applies to the Srnd-to-Kindle feature, which is available for Fire and e-Ink devices.

Wrong!

I was responding to a user who mentioned that he will no longer be able to show "the power of logos in action." It would be strange to claim the "power of logos" while using the kindle app on a fire device!

Drewe

So i've been wondering why this hasn't been working, being basically the first time I've tried to use it.

Maybe remove the button?

Graham Criddle

So i've been wondering why this hasn't been working, being basically the first time I've tried to use it.

It should be working at the moment assuming you are running Logos 6.10. What issues, other than sends taking a long time, are you seeing?

Maybe remove the button?

It will be removed in Logos 6.11