New version of the NABRE includes reverse interlinears

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Brian Losabia | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Mar 21 2016 7:51 PM

Thanks Logos/Faithlife/Verbum for the awesome upgrade to the NABRE.  The Deuterocanonical books like Tobit, etc. have Greek reverse interlinears mapped as well.  I'm not sure which Verbum libraries include the NABRE w/ reverse interlinears -- hopefully people with all the other reverse interlinears get this one too.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2016 8:19 PM

The NABRE reverse interlinears are part of Verbum Now and Logos Now.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 21 2016 8:45 PM

Terrific! I've been reading through this translation for the first time and am enjoying it a lot. This makes it even better.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 1:48 AM

Brian Losabia:

Thanks Logos/Faithlife/Verbum for the awesome upgrade to the NABRE.  

Yes

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 8:05 AM

I like it.  Also, there are some other visual indicators I've noticed in the text that have more substinative information about people places, etc.  THey look like megaphones and flags.

What are those called?

 

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Brian Losabia | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 8:47 AM

Steve:

I like it.  Also, there are some other visual indicators I've noticed in the text that have more substinative information about people places, etc.  THey look like megaphones and flags.

What are those called?

 

Referent data are the tags which power things like Clause Search, the Factbook (I think), and things like that.  Reported Speech is the data set which does the megaphones (to let you know who is speaking, who is being cited/quoted).  I think that both of these data sets require a reverse interlinear on the Bible translation to work.

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F. Kelly Dougherty | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 12:51 PM

If I bought the NABRE back at Christmas, did I just receive this upgrade or do I need to do something?

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Stephen Terlizzi | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 2:05 PM

F. Kelly Dougherty:

If I bought the NABRE back at Christmas, did I just receive this upgrade or do I need to do something?

Same question here...I have Verbum Masters with the NABRE and I don't see the interlinears. I do see them with the RSVCE.

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Brian Losabia | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 2:18 PM

I think you need a big enough library to have all the RI-powered functions and you need to be a subscriber to Logos Now/Verbum Now.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 2:43 PM

Brian Losabia:
I think you need a big enough library to have all the RI-powered functions and you need to be a subscriber to Logos Now/Verbum Now.

To clarify how things work: The reverse interlinears are a set of four resources we produced that align the English text of the NABRE to the Greek and Hebrew text of the original languages. They are distinct from the NABRE itself. These reverse interlinears are currently only available in Verbum and Logos Now and Verbum and Logos Cloud. (The Verbum 6 libraries contain some reverse interlinears for other Bibles, such as the NRSVCE and RSVCE NT--so you may have this functionality in those Bibles. Verbum Now/Cloud also contain a reverse interlinear for the RSVCE Hebrew OT.)

If you only own the NABRE and subscribe to Verbum Now, I think you'll have the basic reverse interlinear alignment functionality. (I.e., you can access and search the Greek or Hebrew text via the English.) For the features mentioned in this thread that are attached to the original language data (e.g. Biblical people, places, things, speakers, referents, etc.), you'll need a base package that includes those features.

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Stephen Terlizzi | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 3:56 PM

Louis St. Hilaire:

Brian Losabia:
I think you need a big enough library to have all the RI-powered functions and you need to be a subscriber to Logos Now/Verbum Now.

To clarify how things work: The reverse interlinears are a set of four resources we produced that align the English text of the NABRE to the Greek and Hebrew text of the original languages. They are distinct from the NABRE itself. These reverse interlinears are currently only available in Verbum and Logos Now and Verbum and Logos Cloud. (The Verbum 6 libraries contain some reverse interlinears for other Bibles, such as the NRSVCE and RSVCE NT--so you may have this functionality in those Bibles. Verbum Now/Cloud also contain a reverse interlinear for the RSVCE Hebrew OT.)

If you only own the NABRE and subscribe to Verbum Now, I think you'll have the basic reverse interlinear alignment functionality. (I.e., you can access and search the Greek or Hebrew text via the English.) For the features mentioned in this thread that are attached to the original language data (e.g. Biblical people, places, things, speakers, referents, etc.), you'll need a base package that includes those features.

I guess I mistakenly thought that Verbum Now was for customers that did not want to invest in the licensing model, but rather in the subscription model. I did not realize that we would not receive the new functionality in software updates if we chose the licensing model route. This is quite disturbing to me that new functionality that is similar to existing functionality in Verbum 6 is not readily made available to the licensing model customers as well as subscription model customers.

I guess I will need to do without the NABRE interlinears. They were a nice-to-have.

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Steve

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2016 4:00 PM

Stephen Terlizzi:
I guess I mistakenly thought that Verbum Now was for customers that did not want to invest in the licensing model, but rather in the subscription model. I did not realize that we would not receive the new functionality in software updates if we chose the licensing model route.

Verbum Cloud is the subscription model for resources.

Verbum Now is the immediate gratification (subscription) model for new features.

Many people conflate the two or have them confused.

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Average Joe | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2016 8:01 AM

Stephen Terlizzi:

I guess I mistakenly thought that Verbum Now was for customers that did not want to invest in the licensing model, but rather in the subscription model. I did not realize that we would not receive the new functionality in software updates if we chose the licensing model route. This is quite disturbing to me that new functionality that is similar to existing functionality in Verbum 6 is not readily made available to the licensing model customers as well as subscription model customers.

I think of Verbum Now as a way to get the features of Verbum 7 before Verbum 7 releases. Without Verbum Now, we'd probably be waiting until Verbum 7 for these reverse interlinears to be released. And my guess is that the NABRE reverse interlinears will be part of some of those Verbum 7 base packages.

As the reverse interlinears are listed as separate resources for the base packages, it makes sense to me that they don't simply give them away to everyone who has that Bible translation when they are released. Even though I had certain translations, I didn't have all the reverse interlinears until I upgraded my base package.

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