Searching for where God is called Shepherd

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Luke B. Wolford | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jan 5 2017 11:28 AM

Hello Everyone,

I have been searching for every passage where God is called shepherd. I found several with looking at the factbook for God as Shepherd and searching the ESV for these passages with {Section <Culture God as shepherd>}. One that it missed though is Genesis 48:15 "And he blessed Joseph and said, “The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day,"

Is there a better search query I could have used that would include more passages? I did try searching (<person God> OR <person Jesus>) INTERSECTS <person A Shepherd>. This only returned two verses in John where Jesus is calling himself the Good Shepherd.

Thanks.

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 5 2017 12:12 PM

Luke B. Wolford:
Is there a better search query I could have used that would include more passages? I did try searching (<person God> OR <person Jesus>) INTERSECTS <person A Shepherd>. This only returned two verses in John where Jesus is calling himself the Good Shepherd.

I think you have been close. I tried this:

(<person God> OR <person Jesus>) INTERSECTS Shepherd

I got 13 verses, but it doesn't contain Ps 23. So I tried this:

(<person God> OR <person Jesus>) WITHIN 3 WORDS Shepherd

This gives 32 Verses, but with some false hits which you need to weed out.

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Luke B. Wolford | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 5 2017 12:27 PM

I didn't know if there were any sorts of special searches for a reference to God where he is called something kind of like searching for a lemma with a specific gloss. Thanks for your help.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 5 2017 12:46 PM

Luke B. Wolford:
I have been searching for every passage where God is called shepherd.

Cultural concept search finds many verses:

{Section <Culture God as shepherd>}

Genesis 48:15 is included in search:

(<person God> OR <person Jesus> OR {Addressee <Person God>}) INTERSECTS (<Sense = shepherd> OR shepherd)

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 5 2017 1:24 PM

Luke B. Wolford:
Is there a better search query I could have used

We should rely on the Cultural Concept to be complete and accurate as <Person ..> searches will fall short e.g. I think <Person A shepherd> is not intended to be used along with referents to <Person God>, <Person Jesus> except in the restricted sense of the passages you found in John.

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Luke B. Wolford | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 5 2017 2:44 PM

I wonder why something like Genesis 48:15 is not included in the cultural concepts search.

Anyway, thanks everyone for your replies. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 5 2017 2:54 PM

Luke B. Wolford:
wonder why something like Genesis 48:15 is not included in the cultural concepts search.

Probably a simple error in coding which should be reported as such.

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Luke B. Wolford | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 5 2017 3:17 PM

Ok. I'll start a new thread and do that. Thanks

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 9 2017 11:01 AM

Dave Hooton:

Luke B. Wolford:
Is there a better search query I could have used

We should rely on the Cultural Concept to be complete and accurate as <Person ..> searches will fall short e.g. I think <Person A shepherd> is not intended to be used along with referents to <Person God>, <Person Jesus> except in the restricted sense of the passages you found in John.

Dave is correct: by "referent" we mean that, in this linguistic context, this phrase (or name or pronoun) specifically refers to a given person. Except for a few unusually cases, those references are exclusive: a phrase referring to a generic shepherd doesn't also refer to God.

The Figurative Language Dataset brings in a few other examples where Jesus uses the shepherd metaphor to describe himself (though we've only shipped annotations for the Gospels and a few other NT books at this point).

{Label Figurative Language WHERE  Source ~ <FigurativeLanguageTerm Shepherd> AND Target ~ <FigurativeLanguageTerm Jesus>}

See http://community.logos.com/forums/t/134659.aspx for more comments about what is and isn't included in Cultural Concepts annotation.

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Luke B. Wolford | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 9 2017 2:29 PM

Thanks Sean,

What I was hoping I could do was find every instance sort of like you can find every instance where God is called Lord with <person God> ANDEQUALS Lord. Where I went wrong is that Lord is used of God like a name where Shepherd is not. I have used Logos for years but still am learning how to do the complex searches.  Thanks for your help.

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2017 9:06 AM

I wish the search was simplified.  I cannot ever remember the search formulas, and loathe having to find them.  I wish when I clicked "Search" and chose Bible, the software was smart enough to offer these possible searches when it gave the initial result.

Example:  Search> "God as shepherd" > Bible > =

Results:  Pick one:

  1. Exact Phrase
  2. Similar Phrase
  3. Inference of Phrase

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2017 11:59 AM

Michael S.:

I wish the search was simplified.  ......

Example:  Search> "God as shepherd" > Bible > =

Without quotes, slowly type that into a Basic or Bible Search box and select the suggestion for Culture. Unfortunately, the format is incorrect but you will  get the correct format in the Cultural Concepts section of Factbook. Type flood and you will see suggestions for that 

So, the basic facility exists but the search format is often wrong e.g. for <Event The flood> remember to enclose it with {Section} --> {Section <Event The flood>}. This bug is known to Faithlife. For <Topic xxx> just use the Topic Guide.

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 13 2017 7:31 AM

Michael S.:

I wish the search was simplified.  I cannot ever remember the search formulas, and loathe having to find them. 

I agree. This is one of biggest challenges with Logos. I just cannot remember the syntax, mainly because I don't do enough complex searches. I wished Logos could search like Google. For instance, if I search Google for "God as shepherd" (without the "), the first hit is a website with 43 verses that talk about God being a shepherd.

But I know that Logos just doesn't have the user base that Google has, so I will likely need to use both:

- Google for fuzzy searches

- Logos (after some syntax research) for precise searches

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 13 2017 4:38 PM

Armin:
For instance, if I search Google for "God as shepherd" (without the "), the first hit is a website with 43 verses that talk about God being a shepherd.

Doing same search in Logos 7 for Everything includes "Fuzzy Bible Search" for Now members and Cloud+ subscribers that has 102 verses: Fuzzy Bible Search needs online connection plus can return verse results from Bibles not in your Library:

Ranked Library results has entries to consider. Number of library results depends on resources in your library.

Factbook section includes Guidance theme, which has 155 passages:

In Factbook, can click on a verse to open a Bible. In the Bible, can right click to choose theme for searching, which generates the correct complex query for searching Guidance theme with 2,187 verse results:

Refined Guidance theme search by intersecting with shepherd:

shepherd INTERSECTS {Section <PreachingTheme = Guidance>}

Armin:
- Logos (after some syntax research) for precise searches

Morph Query Builder is easier to use.

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 14 2017 8:31 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Doing same search in Logos 7 for Everything includes "Fuzzy Bible Search" for Now members and Cloud+ subscribers that has 102 verses: Fuzzy Bible Search needs online connection plus can return verse results from Bibles not in your Library:

Thanks for the suggestion. I am a Now member and tried your suggested search. However, Logos hangs and the search never completes. Here is a sample:

4743.God as Shepherd Search.zip

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 14 2017 10:57 AM

Armin:

Thanks for the suggestion. I am a Now member and tried your suggested search. However, Logos hangs and the search never completes. Here is a sample:

4743.God as Shepherd Search.zip

Curious if Mac had been woke up from sleep ? Also if Mac had network change ? (turn Wi-Fi off/on or connect to different Wi-Fi)

Sample reminded me of thread => Bug/Regression: 7.2 SR-1 Sync on OS X 10.10.5 => Spinning Cursors & would not Exit Now

Work around when sync won't complete is restarting Mac.

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