I woke up this morning to find that whilst I was asleep my unfinished sermon was published to soundfaith without my permission. I was asleep at the time and so I know there's nothing I did. I have also never used soundfaith before.
There's a check box at the bottom of the Sermon header information to pubilish it automatically to Soundfaith. I think this was new in 7.5. I make sure it's unchecked every time, as it somehow got checked on one occasion. I suspect if you check your Sermon document you'll find this box is checked.
Thanks Greg.
Shouldn't be that easy, I think a button would be more appropriate. It's like one of those opt in email things.
Shouldn't be that easy
I agree... mostly. It should be that easy for those who want it to be so, but it should be an OPT IN and NO ACTION should be required on the part of those who don't want to participate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Unchecking the checkbox sets a preference that will apply to all future Sermon Editor documents. In other words, you only need to uncheck it once.
Additionally, the sermon that was published can be deleted by updating the publish state on soundfaith.com
My apologies for the unexpected behavior, we definitely want to leave control of your content up to you.
This doesn't seem to be how it works for me.
On the left is a sermon document I was working on yesterday and - as you can see the publish box is unchecked. On the right is a sermon document I have just opened and publish box is checked
I am running 7.6 beta 1 but believe I saw the same behaviour on the stable 7.5 release
Graham, I'm not able to reproduce this behavior.
The checkbox remembers the last explicit value choice. (Which can be different from the value from your last sermon, say if you check it, and then delete that sermon.)
Are you sure the last choice you made was to uncheck it, and then a new sermon started with it checked?
This thread encouraged me to check my soundfaith....
I noticed the publish tick and before I started writing the sermon, made sure it was unchecked. But still it was published...albeit draft...multiple times. If it's unchecked, it should never go any place except my own documents...even in draft state.
This bothers me for some reason. I feel strongly that my data is trusted to stay in one place. And, is logos profiting off of the intellectual work of their users? Did user agreement change regarding my data? Will other data be shared on other sites that I will have to police to make sure it's not published?
If I delete from soundfaith on that website, does it delete on documents.logos.com?
This thread encouraged me to check my soundfaith.... I noticed the publish tick and before I started writing the sermon, made sure it was unchecked. But still it was published...albeit draft...multiple times. If it's unchecked, it should never go any place except my own documents...even in draft state. This bothers me for some reason. I feel strongly that my data is trusted to stay in one place. And, is logos profiting off of the intellectual work of their users? Did user agreement change regarding my data? Will other data be shared on other sites that I will have to police to make sure it's not published? If I delete from soundfaith on that website, does it delete on documents.logos.com?
John, are you using Proclaim? When you send your sermon to Proclaim we automatically create a sermon document in draft mode on SoundFaith.com. The draft sermon is only visible to your account. We do this so when/if you publish your audio recording from Proclaim to SoundFaith the Sermon Editor metadata is preserved and updated, instead of overwritten.
More information about sermon audio recording and publishing in Proclaim can be found here.
Can you imagine the outcry that would happen if Microsoft started publishing everything we wrote in Word? Especially if they charged others to use your writings? I have been using sermon builder and have had mixed thoughts about it, trying to decide whether to continue using it as it matures. This makes the decision easy. I am going back to Word and Powerpoint and publish my sermons when and where I decide to do so.
Wait a minute, I just noticed I have 7.5 version and the check box for automatically publishing to sound faith is not showing on my sermon editor. Any idea why? Is that feature still in beta? My Spanish sermon published to soundfaith which I don't mind, but it'd be nice to have the option which one I want to publish and which one not.
DAL
Wait a minute, I just noticed I have 7.5 version and the check box for automatically publishing to sound faith is not showing on my sermon editor. Any idea why? Is that feature still in beta? My Spanish sermon published to soundfaith which I don't mind, but it'd be nice to have the option which one I want to publish and which one not. DAL
OK, so it's showing on a new sermon when I open a blank sermon document, but the option is not available when I click on the edit sermon link on previously created sermons. Now what? How do we fix this to unpublish and publish back and forth?
Thanks!
Graham, I'm not able to reproduce this behavior. The checkbox remembers the last explicit value choice. (Which can be different from the value from your last sermon, say if you check it, and then delete that sermon.) Are you sure the last choice you made was to uncheck it, and then a new sermon started with it checked?
Hi Jacob
I've created a number of sermon documents over the last week and they all started with the publish box unchecked.
But then I have just created another one and the publish box was checked - I haven't touched this setting for some time
Attached is the logfile of the session at the time although not sure if that will help at all
8780.Logos.log
Graham--
I'm sorry to hear that! We'll investigate.
It's just happened again - a couple of times recently.
This is with 7.8 SR-1
Any progress in tracking this down?
Thanks, Graham
And I've just created another couple of Sermon documents and they both have the auto-publish option selected. This is with Logos 7.10
Graham, I'm sorry to hear you continue to experience this issue. We haven't reproduced the problem here, but we'll take a deeper look into the issue.
I agree as well. I don't know if I'm speaking for most, but most of my sermons are for my congregation as they sometimes contain personal or contextual info. I love the idea of publishing a sermon for the public when I want to but I was surprised I had to uncheck a button when I used Sermon Editor for the first time. Sometimes sermons are partially finished or in point form as well which wouldn't make any sense to anyone if they were to get published. Please separate this feature a little further from the basic use of the editor.
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May need to try again...I have had it switched off for a long time now. However, I just got an email yesterday that a message was going to be published. I checked and yes, it was checked to auto-publish...again...
When will Logos figure out that we dont like this and that it needs to be fixed and NOT just have a "bandaid" put on it???
I suspect when, and if, a critical mass of users decide that there's a big enough risk of having something accidentally posted that they aren't ready to publish - or simply don't want to publish - that they won't use the feature.
I just can't imagine what it would mean for missionary in a hostile location to have his sermon published, placing life and ministry in real danger. Or does Faithlife not consider the risks taken by those in underground churches? It's one thing to have a congregation specific detail published, which is cause for concern. It's another thing altogether to put people's lives at risk for the sake of marketing and content building.
It's annoying for me but not dangerous. I sure hope this gets resolved.
