Sermon Published without my permission

I have a different problem. I received an email that the message (photo attached) would automatically be published. However, when I open the Sermon editor, the checkbox does not even exist. I have 7.5.0.0045. The challenge I face is that this particular 'sermon' was a response to a congregant's theological challenge. The document contains personal information that I exported and emailed to him. Now that information will be published without my consent and I have no way to turn it off.

Any ideas as to why I don't get the checkbox?

Marc

I wrote it March 30. I received an email yesterday (Sunday) that is would publish today (Monday). Yet the document was created before the feature went live.

Ken said:

I agree as well. I don't know if I'm speaking for most, but most of my sermons are for my congregation as they sometimes contain personal or contextual info. I love the idea of publishing a sermon for the public when I want to but I was surprised I had to uncheck a button when I used Sermon Editor for the first time.  Sometimes sermons are partially finished or in point form as well which wouldn't make any sense to anyone if they were to get published. Please separate this feature a little further from the basic use of the editor.

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Francis said:

I don't mean to come across as "yelling" as it were, but I do want to communicate unequivocally that we as users must have complete confidence that there will not be any game played, and no tricky roundabout approaches, around the confidentiality of our content. Such decisions simply do not belong to Faithlife. 

This is one case where yelling may be appropriate. It is an absolute deal-breaker for me.  I simply will not use the sermon editor.  How can I afford to use any software that may - without my knowledge - publish something under my name on the internet?  That's quite a risk.

Graham Criddle said:

Technically it’s not without our knowledge.

The software issue is that the consent box is being filled in when it shouldn’t be. I check it and deselect it and so nothing is published.

as per my posts above I think this should be changed but understand the issues the Faithlife team are having in tracking this down.

Granted.  But I think it's telling that you have to start the sentence with the word "technically."  The core issue is that the software behaves in a way that is, from the standpoint of an average user, both unexpected and potentially harmful.

Please understand, I understand how chasing down what's causing this might be difficult, and I'm not trying to impugn anyone's motives at FaithLife.  I just don't think it's prudent to use a software feature that behaves this way.

EastTN said:

It is an absolute deal-breaker for me. 

Yes.  I have not bothered to learn about sermon editor simply because this issue is a deal breaker for me.  I produce sermons in docx and upload them as a personal book and that works perfect for me. Sermon editor may have cool features, but I am not even interested in learning about them because of the issue raised by this thread.  I am happy for those using Sermon Editor and enjoying it.

Robert murray said:

Sorry to to sound so blunt but evidently, the mistake was not learned or logos is too proud to admit they made a mistake. 

In Faithlife's eyes they have not made a mistake, to them there is no lesson to be learned. It is very clear from their comments this was never going to be changed form opt out to opt in check box by default because they want their premium subscription service to full of sermons - they care little what users think. They are of the view if you use our sermon editor then your sermons are our to do what we like with them until you tell us otherwise. In this instance this is shameful behaviour by those who sat in that room and decided it was acceptable to do this and it is shameful behaviour by the leaders of this company who signed off on it. 

Garrett Ho said:

I echo Alabama's suggestion. It should require opting in, although the current behavior is the next best thing. Also, since the website seems to use the sermons as a selling point for its premium service, I'd suggest that Faithlife be careful about these sorts of issues.

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Scott Alexander said:

Mark said:

Jacob and Scott

Why cant the default be that the box is unchecked, and if one wants to opt in, they have the option to check the box and up in? 

Mark, there was much discussion internally around this change. SoundFaith has proven itself to be a valuable sermon archiving resource and its integration with Sermon Editor makes it possible to utilize without any extra work. Most people won’t change the defaults and we really want people to get to use this feature. However, we understand it’s not for everyone and so we send a notification email after the first auto-publish event, ensuring that everyone knows about the change.

Robert murray said:

When will Logos figure out that we dont like this and that it needs to be fixed and NOT just have a "bandaid" put on it???

 I suspect when, and if, a critical mass of users decide that there's a big enough risk of having something accidentally posted that they aren't ready to publish - or simply don't want to publish - that they won't use the feature. 

Seriously!!!!!  What is the issue with this????????

Robert murray said:

Marc Brule said:

I just can't imagine what it would mean for missionary in a hostile location to have his sermon published, placing life and ministry in real danger. Or does Faithlife not consider the risks taken by those in underground churches? It's one thing to have a congregation specific detail published, which is cause for concern. It's another thing altogether to put people's lives at risk for the sake of marketing and content building.

It's annoying for me but not dangerous. I sure hope this gets resolved.

Agreed 100%

I refuse to even look at the product until this is resolved.  Personal book is how I prepare sermons

Marc Brule said:

I just can't imagine what it would mean for missionary in a hostile location to have his sermon published, placing life and ministry in real danger. Or does Faithlife not consider the risks taken by those in underground churches? It's one thing to have a congregation specific detail published, which is cause for concern. It's another thing altogether to put people's lives at risk for the sake of marketing and content building.

It's annoying for me but not dangerous. I sure hope this gets resolved.

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