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Pete Burrill | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 22 2018 3:41 PM

I just received the email today about the new changes and I am not very happy about this. I admit that I don't use all the features in Logos Now but if I want the sermon writing tools then my subscription doubles. I live in Canada and the exchange rate is always going up and down so my price will be closer to $250 per year and then any books I buy are on top. I have been using Logos for 20 years but this on really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. When I first started using Logos it seemed more ministry minded but now it feels like it's all about the business. I will have to seriously reconsider my subscription. I liked that I could upgrade the software without buying a whole new library but will this be the next feature to go?

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 3:55 PM

If you want them to hear what the customers are saying, we have to STOP giving them the money. THAT would make them listen. Stop the flow of money. #unsubscribe

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 4:05 PM

Pete Burrill:

I just received the email today about the new changes and I am not very happy about this. I admit that I don't use all the features in Logos Now but if I want the sermon writing tools then my subscription doubles. I live in Canada and the exchange rate is always going up and down so my price will be closer to $250 per year and then any books I buy are on top. I have been using Logos for 20 years but this on really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. When I first started using Logos it seemed more ministry minded but now it feels like it's all about the business. I will have to seriously reconsider my subscription. I liked that I could upgrade the software without buying a whole new library but will this be the next feature to go?

Pete, I'm sorry you're not happy with the changes. Keep in mind that you have until at least 11/12/18 before you need to make a decision on what to do from here. You haven't lost anything, and your experience won't change until then (or later, if you're renewal date comes after that). It sounds like the best option for you might be to buy the Logos 7 or Logos 8 Full Feature Set with the promo code that you received by email. Let me know if I can help in any way.

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Pete Burrill | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 4:40 PM

So you want me to double my subscription price for one feature? I don't think so.

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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 5:03 PM

Phil, give us a clue (even if it's not correct) as to what the price for Logos 8 might be for those of us who have Logos 7 Full Feature Set. If you're not sure, simply make something up. We'll believe anything!  :-) 

Seriously though, any idea?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 5:20 PM

Pete Burrill:
So you want me to double my subscription price for one feature? I don't think so.

Can you explain a bit more what you mean by "one feature"? I can't figure out what you are referring to.

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Marshall Harrison | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 5:47 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Pete Burrill:

I just received the email today about the new changes and I am not very happy about this. I admit that I don't use all the features in Logos Now but if I want the sermon writing tools then my subscription doubles. I live in Canada and the exchange rate is always going up and down so my price will be closer to $250 per year and then any books I buy are on top. I have been using Logos for 20 years but this on really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. When I first started using Logos it seemed more ministry minded but now it feels like it's all about the business. I will have to seriously reconsider my subscription. I liked that I could upgrade the software without buying a whole new library but will this be the next feature to go?

Pete, I'm sorry you're not happy with the changes. Keep in mind that you have until at least 11/12/18 before you need to make a decision on what to do from here. You haven't lost anything, and your experience won't change until then (or later, if you're renewal date comes after that). It sounds like the best option for you might be to buy the Logos 7 or Logos 8 Full Feature Set with the promo code that you received by email. Let me know if I can help in any way.

My promo code only gets me $100 off. Not sure what I can get for that. Any idea on Logos 8 pricing yet?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 6:00 PM

Marshall Harrison:
Any idea on Logos 8 pricing yet?

FL hasn't officially announced L8... and won't until just before it releases. 

Marshall Harrison:
Not sure what I can get for that.

Do you own your L7 features? Do you plan to subscribe to FL Connect? If not, you should consider purchasing a feature set. 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 22 2018 6:20 PM

JT (alabama24):

Marshall Harrison:
Any idea on Logos 8 pricing yet?

FL hasn't officially announced L8... and won't until just before it releases. 

Marshall Harrison:
Not sure what I can get for that.

Do you own your L7 features? Do you plan to subscribe to FL Connect? If not, you should consider purchasing a feature set. 



I probably won't upgrade to 8. maybe the free engine. I don't need any more books. I don't think I want any of the new features.

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Pete Burrill | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 5:01 AM

There are two sermon writing features that are disappearing with the new subscription. Those are the two features that I am not going to double my subscription price just to have access to.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 7:13 AM

Pete Burrill:
There are two sermon writing features that are disappearing with the new subscription.

Are you referring to the Sermon Editor itself and the Sermon Outlines Section in Guides?

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 9:23 AM

One option would be to replace your Logos Now subscription with a Verbum Now subscription.

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Verbum Now and Faithlife Connect

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Verbum Now customers may have heard that Logos Now and Logos Cloud customers will be transitioned into our new subscription product, Faithlife Connect, and that we’ll be discontinuing those programs over the next year.

We currently have no plans to discontinue Verbum Now and will not be transitioning Verbum Now customers into Faithlife Connect.

If you’d like to learn more about Faithlife Connect, visit https://connect.faithlife.com

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Pete Burrill | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 3:28 PM

Yes, that is what I am referring to, disappearing with the new subscription unless you want to buy the full feature set for $200 US/year.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 6:32 PM

Pete Burrill:

Yes, that is what I am referring to, disappearing with the new subscription unless you want to buy the full feature set for $200 US/year.

Pete, you also have the option of switching from Logos Now to Verbum Now when your Logos Now subscription expires. Verbum Now is sticking around, costs the same as Logos Now, and is almost identical to it.

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m wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 23 2018 11:01 PM

abondservant:
I don't need any more books. I don't think I want any of the new features.

This is why FL needs to raise prices. Read Bob's explanaton and it is pretty clear that those who have bought (past tense) lots of books are not buying many more books. So they no longer add much to the revenue stream, BUT they "demand" more features and that costs money. So stop demanding more features and support or buy lots more books - or pay for the cost of development of the things you "demand"Smile  

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 24 2018 5:33 AM

m wilson:
Read Bob's explanaton and it is pretty clear that those who have bought (past tense) lots of books are not buying many more books.

This sounds like a marketing overgeneralization to me, as in: ''this new store, everybody is going.''  Read as, U should get with the program + go to [ + Ur outa touch if U don't].

FL wants us to get with the rent program.  Surely there are new customers who want to buy; they have not suddenly become extinct. But, the blanket-statement meme they wanna inhabit Ur brain is their version of rent.

Broad-based generalizations are often toooo wide to be true.  I say listen for their utterance, then dissect them for veracity.  Often the originator wants to slide them into Ur ''ecosystem'' so they become true for U.

As an example: I have heard the average North American male is 5'10''.  Hmmm.  Taller than that: my son, my dad's dad, my mom's brother, me.  Shorter: my dad.  At 5'10'': my son-in-law.

Parse those statements!!!  They are not all 5'10'' !!!

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 24 2018 6:59 AM

m wilson:

abondservant:
I don't need any more books. I don't think I want any of the new features.

This is why FL needs to raise prices. Read Bob's explanaton and it is pretty clear that those who have bought (past tense) lots of books are not buying many more books. So they no longer add much to the revenue stream, BUT they "demand" more features and that costs money. So stop demanding more features and support or buy lots more books - or pay for the cost of development of the things you "demand"Smile  



I don't think I've demanded much over the years, and I've definitely spent a fair share of cash.

I have been in the habit of buying more books despite not implicitly needing them. I think that was what I was getting at - thats what may be changing for me in the midst of all this.

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Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 24 2018 11:22 AM

m wilson:

abondservant:
I don't need any more books. I don't think I want any of the new features.

This is why FL needs to raise prices. Read Bob's explanaton and it is pretty clear that those who have bought (past tense) lots of books are not buying many more books. So they no longer add much to the revenue stream, BUT they "demand" more features and that costs money. So stop demanding more features and support or buy lots more books - or pay for the cost of development of the things you "demand"Smile  

Many of us aren't buying more books because FL changed the payment plan system several years ago. My purchases from the two years prior to the plan change were roughly 400% higher than in the two years since the change. There are many resources that I'd love to have and I absolutely would have purchased at least as much as I did before the change if FL hadn't modified their policy. Other members of the forum have acknowledged over the years that that policy change also led to a reduction in their Logos spend. I have no doubt that some customers have everything they need, but a good number of us just could no longer afford the prices without the old payment plan system. 

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 2 2018 2:52 PM

Check out Bob's announcement about the new migration plan for Logos Now members.

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