iPad or HP slate?
discipline is a strong character-qualification of the spirit... how about waiting a few more months untill the HP slate is on the market. Any known disadvantages or advantages to expect in comparising the iPad with the HP slate?
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ton verdam said:
how about waiting a few more months
Discipline is always good and we should exercise it in our lives.
Waiting may or may not be an act of discipline. It just depends on your needs. The problem that I see with your logic is that in a few months, Apple will announce their new improvements that will best the Slate. And, the cycle continues in the technology war. Therefore, with electronic gadgets, waiting just to wait doesn't really work.
My solution is, get the platform that you can afford and that works best for you at the time (AND, one that runs Logos well!). Save your money and in a couple more years buy the next new and improved "needed" gadget. Then, bless someone with your old one! [:)]
Elder/Pastor, Hope Now Bible Church, Fresno CA
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ton verdam said:
Any known disadvantages or advantages to expect in comparising the iPad with the HP slate?
Engadget article includes iPad and HP Slate comparison with specifications:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-slate-to-cost-549-have-1-6ghz-atom-z530-5-hour-battery/
Appears HP Slate is Windows 7 touch screen net-book, meeting minimum Logos 4 technical requirements:
http://www.logos.com/support/techfaq
In contrast, iPad runs iPhone OS - lacks some Logos 4 desktop features (e.g. Biblical People):
For portable use, iPad has significantly longer battery life and power adapter needs 1/3 less energy.
For durability, suspect iPad better. Like several competitors, HP engineering includes replacement need in 2 or 3 years.
Apple Mac engineering lasts longer - viable market buy/sell used Mac's:
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I sure am waiting for the HP.
Being able to use Logos and READ MY BOOKS EVEN IF THERE IS NO INTERNET/WIFI/3G CONNECTION is ultra-important. Want to go to the country and research in your Logos books with an iPad? Have fun finding a signal.
Someone here said HP uses planned obsolescence which has never been the case with ANY HP item I have owned. I had an HP laser printer than year after year I would hope it would die so I could upgrade and it just kept plugging away, 1.5 decades after I purchased it!
A second reason why HP rocks is I bought an HP laptop in July of last year. In December, the battery died. I just figured I would have to buy one so I placed an order for one on eBay. It didn't even occur to me that the battery might be covered still, and even if it is, how much trouble is it to figure out getting a replacement??? Well, the NEXT time I booted, using the powercord since the battery would not charge, a message popped up on my laptop saying, "Battery is bad, STILL covered under warranty, click here for replacement!" I was astounded! I clicked and HP sent a NEW battery with postage-paid envelope for the old one.
(I used the generic one I bought on eBay and resold the new HP battery once it arrived for a profit.)
I have written about 80 books, published worldwide, about computers. Being an author does NOT make me an expert, and I do not talk about the books to brag. Really! I say that only to say I do understand technology and I did a lot of research on iPad wanting one JUST FOR LOGOS. And I decided against it.
I WILL get the HP tablet in a couple of months when it comes out and I made this decision based SOLELY on my use of Logos.
If anyone disagrees, you need to read their justification because they have valid reasons for preferring the iPad. But it's not for me due to my using it for Logos.
GP
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It might be wise to wait and see how L4 functions with a touch interface it wasn't designed for. Then you'd be in a better position to choose...
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Thanks, Good solid arguments pro and con.
I will buy one just because of LOGOS4 - one other question I would have is: how will the Slate's screen do in camparison with the ipad. I like to do my research under my figtree in the sun (just like Jesus
) and the sun's reflection on the screen is important. With my laptop I can hardly read in bright light outside...0 -
It is up to you, but my recommendation would be (1) determine what features you need and (2) wait and see real-world usage with Logos 4 since you're going to be waiting so long already. Why?
1. Logos performance on the Slate is uncertain: indexing, touch-screen performance, searching, etc. It will definitely work on the Slate, but I'm curious about those areas.
2. Purchasing the entry level model may not be a good idea. My Logos installation already takes up over 25 gigs. Also, the Slate comes with 1 gig of ram that is likely not user upgradeable according to reports. This is below Logos 4 requirements for Windows 7, and would need to be upgraded.
3. The size of the Slate appears to be thicker than the iPad, and that may affect how you hold/use it.
In the end, just be sure you know what you're getting. There are a few unsatisfied Logos for iPad users because they didn't know what the program could do. Make sure you are informed. The Slate v. iPad debate is deceptive because the two devices are different. The philosophy behind them is different, as is their functionality, and more importantly, the functionality of Logos.
IMO: if you want a "tablet computer", buy the Slate. If you want a fancy ebook reader and "internet tablet" buy the iPad.
Disclaimer: I love my iPad, but I use it primarily for reading (not for research or sermon preparation).
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DHG said:
It might be wise to wait and see how L4 functions with a touch interface it wasn't designed for. Then you'd be in a better position to choose...
I don't mean this as a Mac vs. Windows response (so please hear me out), but I'd never consider the HP Slate simply because it's running Windows--an OS not specifically designed for a touch interface. To give fair time, I also wouldn't buy a touch-based Mac (Axiotron makes them) for the same reason.
It's too early to know if the iPad will be successful where no touch screen computer has been before. But if it is successful, I believe it is because the interface has been completely rethought for use with fingers instead of a mouse (or even a stylus).
The interface is what the iPad brings new to the table of touchscreen computers. I've yet to see what the HP Slate brings that's really new. I realize that Windows 7 is "touch enabled," but is there a significant difference in the way you interact with it from what you normally do with a mouse?
The iPad has a higher resolution screen--somewhere around 130 dpi if I remember correctly--which makes using it as an eReader favorable to a regular computer. Is the HP Slate going to have anything greater than the standard Windows resolution of 96 dpi?
The iPad has been surprisingly fast in my experience because it is using a chip customized for the device and the interface. As already mentioned above, the HP Slate is going to use a standard Intel Atom 1.6 ghz processor which is found in the majority of (s)low-powered netbooks out there and meets only the minimum of L4's requirements in Windows.
Again, it's too early to tell if the iPad will be a success, but if it is (and I think it will be), it will be because it brings something entirely new to the table. It brings a new platform in which the computer has been completely rethought for the way we interact with it. A lot of people are excited about it. I don't see as many people excited about a touch-enabled netbook. But we'll see.
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R. Mansfield said:
I don't mean this as a Mac vs. Windows response (so please hear me out), but I'd never consider the HP Slate simply because it's running Windows--an OS not specifically designed for a touch interface. To give fair time, I also wouldn't buy a touch-based Mac (Axiotron makes them) for the same reason.
But Rick, W7 was designed for touch interface. Why do you think the icons are so big on the taskbar?
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Mike Aubrey said:
But Rick, W7 was designed for touch interface. Why do you think the icons are so big on the taskbar?
Of course! That must be it!
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Roger Feenstra said:ton verdam said:
how about waiting a few more months
My solution is, get the platform that you can afford and that works best for you at the time (AND, one that runs Logos well!). Save your money and in a couple more years buy the next new and improved "needed" gadget. Then, bless someone with your old one!
This is exactly my plan, and why I went ahead and purchased the iPad 16GB now. As my need increases I'll buy a much bigger tablet storage-wise(gonna be a 2nd gen iPad). Then I'll bless a brother or sister with my old one. Did this with my first gen ipod-touch, really made my friend happy.
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R. Mansfield said:
The iPad has a higher resolution screen--somewhere around 130 dpi if I remember correctly--which makes using it as an eReader favorable to a regular computer. Is the HP Slate going to have anything greater than the standard Windows resolution of 96 dpi?
The screen resolution of the iPad and Slate is
virtually identical. I don't have exact L
by W dimensions of the displays; however, the resolution can still be approximated
with the Pythagorean theorem. According to leaked
HP Slate specs, the Slate's display is 8.9-inch and 1024 by 600 pixels, which
is 133 dpi diagonally. The iPad's 9.7-inch, 1024 by 768 display is 132 dpi.This resolution can be obtained on many notebook PC's by ordering
a high resolution, e.g. UXGA display.0 -
let me be on record as offering myself as "friend" to anyone wishing to pass on their old 1st Gen iPads in the future. . .
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Yes. I agree Dan, lol. I am making myself available to anyone that wants to give their iPads away in the future.[A]
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Greg Perry said:
Being able to use Logos and READ MY BOOKS EVEN IF THERE IS NO INTERNET/WIFI/3G CONNECTION is ultra-important. Want to go to the country and research in your Logos books with an iPad? Have fun finding a signal.
......I made this decision based SOLELY on my use of Logos.
This is the only reason why I am holding out on purchasing the iPad right now.
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Or, just plan ahead and download your books when you have internet access...
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R. Mansfield said:
The interface is what the iPad brings new to the table of touchscreen computers. I've yet to see what the HP Slate brings that's really new. I realize that Windows 7 is "touch enabled," but is there a significant difference in the way you interact with it from what you normally do with a mouse?
That's my main question. Having used Logos on my son's iPod Touch, I have a pretty good idea of what I would be getting if I went with the iPad. But before I consider a device such as the Slate, I need to know (1) how well the OS user interface functions and (2) just as importantly how the L4 interface functions.
Anyone have insight?
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Using a MyFI-like device to access cellular-provided Internet via a WiFi hotspot might be a great way to keep iPAD coverage high, without locking into yet another 3G fee...assuming you use a MyFI-like capability already with your laptop/iTouch/etc.
In general, using these displays outdoors is just going to cause eyestrain. I used to have a MotionComputing slate (WinXP) with the outdoor screen--I loved the device, but it was still pretty much useless outside.
I expected great things from HP with their slate, but was saddened to hear they would NetBook it...and even worse, really cripple it's RAM--with specs like that, it would be much better running a lighter OS. I really want to run the full Logos--not that I'll be doing primary research from a slate, but because when I read I like to highlight the text, search, etc & the other mobile offerings are too limited in these areas. However--some other Logos users are using Netbooks without complaint (understanding that it isn't going to be a speedy experience).
I've looked at the convertable PCs (the Lenovo W201t, the HP EliteBook 2470p) that pack i7 processors, somewhat dedicated graphics, and SSDs to ensure that a mobile Logos experience was palatable (in the event I wanted to use it for PC-based instruction/presentation). However, those PCs are very expensive and seem to currently be effected by some kind of i7 processor parts shortage. I've seen good performance reviews of the Lenovo, although that company seems to have very serious order fulfillment issues. I've not heard an independent assessment of the new HP Elitebook.
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Troy D. Walker said:
Yes. I agree Dan, lol. I am making myself available to anyone that wants to give their iPads away in the future.
. . . i have a sinking feeling our friendship overtures will go unheeded . . . [{] [O] [:(]
[:P]
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Observation: know several old HP laser printers reliably used in an office for many years, including after HP stopped selling and supporting them.
HP publishes ink jet expiration information:
http://www.hp.com/pageyield/articles/us/en/InkExpiration.html
After couple years use, HP TX1000 tablet with Vista Home Premium no longer able to boot up. Google search finds others in same situation. With recent experience, wonder about HP Slate's engineered durability.
For Logos 4, suspect HP TouchSmart tm2t tablet (or Toshiba Portege M780 series) being more responsive than HP Slate - albeit bit more $$$.
Looking forward to Logos 4 review(s) on iPad and HP Slate.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Looking forward to Logos 4 review(s) on iPad and HP Slate.
See my review of Logos 1.4 on the iPad here.
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R. Mansfield said:
See my review of Logos 1.4 on the iPad here.
Rick, brilliant review. I have been watching this space for some time as I have really wanted a portable Kindle like device to read Logos books on. The big thing missing yet for me is highlighting and markup. Combine this with notes, I anticipate the user experiences is going to be awesome. The ability to then have this integrated into my computer based studies is awesome.
If I can muster the self control, I plan to wait until the second generation iPad comes out. I wonder if anyone on here can guesstimate the product cycle?
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Apple generally updates about once a year.
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R. Mansfield said:
See my review of Logos 1.4 on the iPad here.
That was a very thorough review. Good too! Thanks.
Elder/Pastor, Hope Now Bible Church, Fresno CA
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R. Mansfield said:
Looking forward to Logos 4 review(s) on iPad and HP Slate.
See my review of Logos 1.4 on the iPad here.
Thank you for your review. It is very well done and balanced. I use Logos on the iPhone however the limitations are still too big (highlighting, notes, clippings) to use it for my regular reading. So I think I would buy HP Slate just to have an access to my full-blood Logos. (Also voice reading is very important to me for reading books while driving).
Bohuslav
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R. Mansfield said:
Great review...only thing missing is to address the "connected" methods to access the full version of L4 from the iPAD (http://community.logos.com/forums/p/15514/118421.aspx#118421 ) I'd imagine this would require the Unlimited Data plan though...
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It should work with wifi as well.
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Well, if you were waiting on the HP Slate to run the full version of Logos 4/Win, it looks like that ship has sailed:
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/04/30/hp-reportedly-abandons-plan-to-build-windows-7-based-tablet/?mod=yahoobarronsI'm certain that HP will still release the slate, but it's not going to run Windows, but probably Palm's Web OS for which there is no current Logos release.
This goes back to what I was saying the other day about the fact that the advantage of the iPad's OS (and by extension Palm's Web OS, for that matter) is that it was made for touch and not a mouse.
The success of the iPad (selling at least a million units in a month's time) has already proven that the OS matters.
All that to say, if you want Logos on a tablet device, and were waiting for the HP Slate, you probably ought to reconsider the iPad.
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Perhaps you should read Terry's post on another thread in this forum. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/16378.aspx
Interesting. I'm not bothered, I'm going iPad when it is released in UK and I can afford it.
iMac Retina 5K, 27": 3.6GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9; 16GB RAM;MacOS 10.15.5; 1TB SSD; Logos 8
MacBook Air 13.3": 1.8GHz; 4GB RAM; MacOS 10.13.6; 256GB SSD; Logos 8
iPad Pro 32GB WiFi iOS 13.5.1
iPhone 8+ 64GB iOS 13.5.1
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Here's a good one: "iPad Killer: We Can't Even Get an iPad Challenger"
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The Slate is officially dead, even before it lives? Huh. That was quick.
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R. Mansfield said:
Here's a good one: "iPad Killer: We Can't Even Get an iPad Challenger"
Well, looks I will have to rethink the iPad idea (if HP Slate is dead)... and we thought it will deliver us from the closed-platform-device...
Bohuslav
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I wouldn't call the slate dead quit yet: http://www.examiner.com/x-11295-LA-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m5d8-HP-Hurricane-webOS-tablet--likely-to-be-released-this-ub-3rd-qyarter
User Interface Designer - Logos Bible Software
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next question is: will LOGOS run on a webOS?
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Darren Paul Wright said:
I wouldn't call the slate dead quit yet: http://www.examiner.com/x-11295-LA-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m5d8-HP-Hurricane-webOS-tablet--likely-to-be-released-this-ub-3rd-qyarter
No, this is a different animal. We've not heard anything to suggest that the HP Slate is not dead.
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Darren Paul Wright said:
I wouldn't call the slate dead quit yet: http://www.examiner.com/x-11295-LA-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m5d8-HP-Hurricane-webOS-tablet--likely-to-be-released-this-ub-3rd-qyarter
If it comes with Window 7,then it is not dead.
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:Darren Paul Wright said:
I wouldn't call the slate dead quit yet: http://www.examiner.com/x-11295-LA-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m5d8-HP-Hurricane-webOS-tablet--likely-to-be-released-this-ub-3rd-qyarter
If it comes with Window 7,then it is not dead.
Of course it all may be vaporware until it actually ships, but the latest 'news' articles (really just rumors) point to a new name and new operating system. Make what you will of it.
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I waited for HP's Slate after they had MS's CEO tout it...and waited...
not again. Movin' on.
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Since HP canned the slate, maybe Google is steepiing into the battle?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&sid=aIAw8jhEQoxU
Google in Talks With Verizon About a Tablet Computer (Update3)
Share Business ExchangeTwitterFacebook| Email | Print | A A ABy Amy Thomson and Brian Womack
May 11 (Bloomberg) -- Google Inc. is in talks with Verizon Wireless to develop a tablet computer that would compete with Apple Inc.’s hit iPad.
The tablet will run on Google’s Android operating system, Marquett Smith, a spokesman for Verizon, said today in a phone interview. He declined to elaborate and said the carrier will release more details later this week.
The device would accelerate the rivalry between Apple and Google, which already compete in wireless software and mobile advertising. Apple released the iPad in the U.S. on April 3 and sold a million of them in 28 days. Mountain View, California- based Google has worked to move beyond its core business of Internet search and into mobile services.
“Everyone is going to have a device that is going to compete with the iPad,” said Al Hilwa, an analyst at research firm IDC in Seattle. “Apple created that market, legitimized it. Everybody has seen that this is going to be huge.”
Google has nothing to announce at this time, the company said in an e-mailed statement.
“Anyone can take the Android platform and add code or download it to create a mobile device without restrictions,” the company said. “We look forward to seeing what contributions are made and how an open platform spurs innovation.”
Google, the world’s most popular search engine, declined $12.60 to $509.05 at 4 p.m. New York time in Nasdaq Stock Market trading. It has dropped 18 percent this year. Verizon Communications Inc., which co-owns Verizon Wireless with Vodafone Group Plc, fell 21 cents to $28.40 on the New York Stock Exchange. The stock has lost 14 percent this year. Verizon Communications is based in New York.
Verizon Variety
Now that most U.S. consumers own mobile phones, Verizon Wireless aims to boost sales of service for other kinds of devices, including e-readers and laptop computers. The U.S. has enough phones for more than 90 percent of the population, limiting growth opportunities there.
“Obviously, the carriers want to get in on this gig,” Hilwa said. “It’s going to be very competitive.”
Apple, based in Cupertino, California, had a head start over its rivals, releasing the iPad in a “very mature form,” he said.
“It’s probably going to take a year to two years for them to get to the same functionality as the iPad,” Hilwa said.
The Wall Street Journal reported the tablet plans earlier today.
To contact the reporter on this story: Amy Thomson in New York at athomson6@bloomberg.net; Brian Womack in San Francisco at bwomack1@bloomberg.net
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Michael Birney said:
Apple, based in Cupertino, California, had a head start over its rivals, releasing the iPad in a “very mature form,” he said.
“It’s probably going to take a year to two years for them to get to the same functionality as the iPad,” Hilwa said.
This is what I found with Android, when it came out, my first impression was that it resembled my first gen iPhone in functionality. Personally, I believe comparing the two is counter productive though, they are being pointed at two different user groups, just like the Mac and Windows are. Apple will probably always be smoother (Slicker) because of the control they maintain over the product. When you give up that control, it is bound to make a difference in how the device looks and operates. This isn't necessarily a bad thing though.
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I just want to see http://library.logos.com//beta=true developed more full as this solves many cross platform problems.Would be nice for it to sync with my account for example. I like the home page on l4 and this would look great in a browser.
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We're going to see lots of tablets from many different companies. I think it's a change comparable to the shift from command line computers to GUI computers. It's a new way of doing things, and quite probably the future. One day, you'll simply have this one device. Need a larger screen? Plug it into a monitor and add a keyboard if necessary.
And there will be platform wars just like in the early days of consumer computing. Apple's iPhone OS, HP/Palm's Web OS, Android, Windows Mobile--these will all be contenders and when the dust settles, probably only a couple of significant platforms will remain.
But there's a lesson to be learned in missing the paradigm shift. WordPerfect was king of word processors in the command line days. But they were slow to create a Windows version and MS Word (established in GUI form first on the Mac and then on Windows) became the dominant player. Major software companies like Microsoft and Adobe could easily be left behind in the new wave if they aren't making attempts to port their software to these new platforms.
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For me as Prerequisite Window 7
Blessings in Christ.
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