I assume this is something additional to the free Logos training videos offered to everyone, but I haven't found anything describing what it consists of or how it's accessed.
Can anyone provide a pointer to where it's described?
I'm guessing it refers to Logos Pro Training.
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Kevin A. Purcell: I'm guessing it refers to Logos Pro Training.
The Logos Pro videos can be viewed by anyone, whether or not a Faithlife Connect member, so I hope that's not what they are referring to in the list of Faithlife Connect features/benefits.
It's available on the free tier of Connect so I think that's a reasonable guess. I'm not positive though.
Rick Ausdahl: Kevin A. Purcell: I'm guessing it refers to Logos Pro Training. Thanks for posting, Kevin! The Logos Pro videos can be viewed by anyone, whether or not a Faithlife Connect member, so I hope that's not what they are referring to in the list of Faithlife Connect features/benefits.
I think Kevin is right to guess it's the Logos Pro training. It's nice padding; we're always dazzled by the word 'free'.
Yasmin Stephen: Rick Ausdahl: Kevin A. Purcell: I'm guessing it refers to Logos Pro Training. Thanks for posting, Kevin! The Logos Pro videos can be viewed by anyone, whether or not a Faithlife Connect member, so I hope that's not what they are referring to in the list of Faithlife Connect features/benefits. I think Kevin is right to guess it's the Logos Pro training. It's nice padding; we're always dazzled by the word 'free'.
Can someone from Faithlife please respond?
Rick Ausdahl: Yasmin Stephen: I think Kevin is right to guess it's the Logos Pro training. It's nice padding; we're always dazzled by the word 'free'. Well, you all might be right, BUT ...IF THAT IS THE CASE, IT SHOULD NOT BE LISTED AS A FAITHLIFE CONNECT FEATURE/BENEFIT.
Yasmin Stephen: I think Kevin is right to guess it's the Logos Pro training. It's nice padding; we're always dazzled by the word 'free'.
Well, you all might be right, BUT ...IF THAT IS THE CASE, IT SHOULD NOT BE LISTED AS A FAITHLIFE CONNECT FEATURE/BENEFIT.
But why not? I could understand if they only mentioned it under the paid tiers of Connect, but seeing as it's on the free tier as well, I don't see a problem with it?
James McAdams: But why not? I could understand if they only mentioned it under the paid tiers of Connect, but seeing as it's on the free tier as well, I don't see a problem with it?
I agree. The Basic connect package specifies that you get 14-volume research library and some basic bibles study tools. In addition to that, you get free training to learn how to use those things.
Seems fine to me
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My goodness, people. Cut FL some slack.
Paul Strickert: My goodness, people. Cut FL some slack.
James McAdams: Rick Ausdahl: Yasmin Stephen: I think Kevin is right to guess it's the Logos Pro training. It's nice padding; we're always dazzled by the word 'free'. Well, you all might be right, BUT ...IF THAT IS THE CASE, IT SHOULD NOT BE LISTED AS A FAITHLIFE CONNECT FEATURE/BENEFIT. But why not? I could understand if they only mentioned it under the paid tiers of Connect, but seeing as it's on the free tier as well, I don't see a problem with it?
Rick Ausdahl: [...] it's listing what are SUPPOSE to be the benefits of Faithlife Connect--things people might consider as reasons to be a Faithlife Connect member. But the videos are available to EVERYONE, whether a Connect member or not.
[...] it's listing what are SUPPOSE to be the benefits of Faithlife Connect--things people might consider as reasons to be a Faithlife Connect member. But the videos are available to EVERYONE, whether a Connect member or not.
Ah, I think that's where we disagree - I think you're looking at it as if Faithlife Connect is solely trying to attract existing customers who are already familiar with the product/offerings, but I think this is aimed at new customers at least as much as existing ones.
If someone signs up to Faithlife Connect and they're not familiar with Logos or want to improve their knowledge of it, it's helpful for them to know that they get training material included for free. That's all.
Isn't the free training the quickstart videos that come with a base package purchase?
James McAdams: Rick Ausdahl: [...] it's listing what are SUPPOSE to be the benefits of Faithlife Connect--things people might consider as reasons to be a Faithlife Connect member. But the videos are available to EVERYONE, whether a Connect member or not. Ah, I think that's where we disagree - I think you're looking at it as if Faithlife Connect is solely trying to attract existing customers who are already familiar with the product/offerings, but I think this is aimed at new customers at least as much as existing ones. If someone signs up to Faithlife Connect and they're not familiar with Logos or want to improve their knowledge of it, it's helpful for them to know that they get training material included for free. That's all.
Mattillo: Isn't the free training the quickstart videos that come with a base package purchase?
Rick Ausdahl: As an existing Logos customer, what will I get from a Connect subscription that I don't already have. That's why I went to the Connect web pages -- to determine what the extra $100/year for the Essentials level would provide that I don't already have.
As an existing Logos customer, what will I get from a Connect subscription that I don't already have. That's why I went to the Connect web pages -- to determine what the extra $100/year for the Essentials level would provide that I don't already have.
Not the training, as you pointed out.
But the new benefits of access to two courses a year (up to $1500 value), and one free Lexham/Kirkdale Press book a month (average $300 value) do help tip the scales, when added to the early release access and discounts on libraries and other books.
Not sure what you mean by extra $100/year as LN was $100, and Connect (No Library) is still $100 for existing subscribers.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
PetahChristian: Rick Ausdahl: As an existing Logos customer, what will I get from a Connect subscription that I don't already have. That's why I went to the Connect web pages -- to determine what the extra $100/year for the Essentials level would provide that I don't already have. Not the training, as you pointed out. But the new benefits of access to two courses a year (up to $1500 value), and one free Lexham/Kirkdale Press book a month (average $300 value) do help tip the scales, when added to the early release access and discounts on libraries and other books. Not sure what you mean by extra $100/year as LN was $100, and Connect (No Library) is still $100 for existing subscribers.
By "extra $100/year", I simply meant it was $100 a year I wouldn't be spending if not a subscriber to the Essentials package, which was the only package I would be considering.
I agree with you Rick. FL marketing is stating a benefit of connect membership is free training. Yet if all it is referring to is Logos Pro training then the marketing is misleading - no matter how others may want to try and paint it. It is not a benefit of a connect membership at all if it is available to those who are not connect members.
Petah you are once again throwing a red herring to try and distract attention from the issue the OP has raised - the m.Ed courses has nothing to do with the issue Rick raises and does not give FL a free pass to make misleading statements about other components of the offer. You have not been around long enough to understand FL marketing has a history of making misleading statements.
PetahChristian: Rick Ausdahl: As an existing Logos customer, what will I get from a Connect subscription that I don't already have. That's why I went to the Connect web pages -- to determine what the extra $100/year for the Essentials level would provide that I don't already have. Not the training, as you pointed out. But the new benefits of access to two courses a year (up to $1500 value), and one free Lexham/Kirkdale Press book a month (average $300 value) do help tip the scales, when added to the early release access and discounts on libraries and other books..
But the new benefits of access to two courses a year (up to $1500 value), and one free Lexham/Kirkdale Press book a month (average $300 value) do help tip the scales, when added to the early release access and discounts on libraries and other books..
Rick Ausdahl:I assume this is something additional to the free Logos training videos offered to everyone, but I haven't found anything describing what it consists of or how it's accessed.
Clicking (i) for Free Training on https://connect.faithlife.com/pricing shows a pop-up:
Clicking (i) for Faithlife Courses on https://connect.faithlife.com/pricing shows a pop-up with a link:
Thankful for free Mobile Ed courses => LT270: Study the Bible with Logos: Jonah 1:1–16 and => LT271: Study the Bible with Logos: Jonah 1 that can be used "inside the app" (albeit everyone can freely obtain a "permanent" license so Connect subscription could include "temporary" license). Personally would appreciate Faithlife adding a link to Free Training pop-up for clarification.
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