Introducing the New Logos Notes

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Keith Cowart | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 11:24 AM

I understand I can open it in a floating window, but that requires an extra step that didn't exist before. But quite frankly, that's the least of my worries. It's no longer possible to create notes in a specific notebook. It's not easy to get to what used to constitute one of my old notebooks and if it contains unanchored notes (My Topical Bible) the only way to organize them is either by date created or date modified. My entries are in alphabetical order by topic. My hope is that Logos will find a way to maintain the functionality of the old system while incorporating the best of the improvements. 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 11:35 AM

Keith Cowart:

I understand I can open it in a floating window, but that requires an extra step that didn't exist before. But quite frankly, that's the least of my worries. It's no longer possible to create notes in a specific notebook. It's not easy to get to what used to constitute one of my old notebooks and if it contains unanchored notes (My Topical Bible) the only way to organize them is either by date created or date modified. My entries are in alphabetical order by topic. My hope is that Logos will find a way to maintain the functionality of the old system while incorporating the best of the improvements. 

Organizing by reference will be here in just a couple of weeks. It works great in the beta version right now.

You can add notes to a notebook if the notebook you are wanting to put it in is already open.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 11:39 AM

Keith, if the extra step is of concern, you can resize it in your layout. From the drop-down menu in the add note function, you can place it in a specific notebook. That changes when/where you choose the notebook so I'm being a bit dense on where the problem lies. My notebooks all came across the conversion intact so the only difference I see is in where I make the selection. The loss of the title is the only problem I see where what you did in the past isn't readily possible in the new system.

I see your workflow for creating a note something like:

  1. Optionally select anchor text
  2. Add note to open an "empty" note - from Context Menu is anchored; from note panel if not anchored.
  3. Select notebook from filter column
  4. Add note content

Does this match what you are doing or am I totally misunderstanding?

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Keith Cowart | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 11:40 AM

That's helpful, but I also noticed that Logos currently has no plans to restore note titles. Some of my notebooks are organized alphabetically by title. If the titles are gone that will leave those notebooks in chaos. Any idea why they are set on removing titles?

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Keith Cowart | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 11:42 AM

That last reply was in reference to David Taylor's reply. I'm going to check out MJ Smith's reply to see if that helps overall, but as you point out, it doesn't help with the loss of titles.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 12:07 PM

Keith Cowart:
Any idea why they are set on removing titles?

Some conjectures but no real information.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:24 PM

Please JOIN US as we raise awareness to LOGOS and the developers that there are many UNHAPPY people since the NEW NOTE SYSTEM.

It is an outrage in my personal opinion that many of the Features are no longer available.

Join our You-Tube Channel and help us call for ACTION as we post our opinions about the Logos Bible Software.

Here is a link to the channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A 

Hang in there.

Maybe they will FIX - RESTORE the Logos 7 Note Features.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:26 PM

Wayne levi Price:

Please JOIN US as we raise awareness to LOGOS and the developers that there are many UNHAPPY people since the NEW NOTE SYSTEM.

It is an outrage in my personal opinion that many of the Features are no longer available.

Join our You-Tube Channel and help us call for ACTION as we post our opinions about the Logos Bible Software.

Here is a link to the channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A 

Hang in there.

Maybe they will FIX - RESTORE the Logos 7 Note Features.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A 

They are bringing most of the features back (several are already on the current beta) and while you wait you can always use the old system. They are taking action.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:27 PM

We must continue to Make our complaints heard until they Fix these issues.

With LOVE, of course, we must demand that they bring back the features that we paid for already, Logos 7 Notes were more practical. 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:29 PM

Wayne levi Price:

We must continue to Make our complaints heard until they Fix these issues.

With LOVE, of course, we must demand that they bring back the features that we paid for already, Logos 7 Notes were more practical. 

But they are fixing them so why keep complaining when they are already working on it? If they weren't doing anything and showing no progress I could understand....

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:31 PM

Besides the loss of Note Titles, we lost many functions. I want to hover my mouse over the Note in the bible and see what notebook it is, I want to click the note and have it open the entire notebook. I want HYPERLINK Citation back.

All these things and more have been an upgrade nightmare, to say the least.

It is extremely cumbersome to search for the notebook by typing in the name when all we had to do is Click it.

I upgraded 3 times but will NOT upgrade again until they fix these issues. 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:34 PM

Wayne levi Price:
Besides the loss of Note Titles

I'll grant you this one.

Wayne levi Price:
I want to hover my mouse over the Note in the bible and see what notebook it is,

They said, I believe, this is being worked on.

Wayne levi Price:
I want to click the note and have it open the entire notebook.

What do you mean open the entire notebook??

Wayne levi Price:
I want HYPERLINK Citation back.

You will have this on March 4th. It is already working in the beta.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:35 PM

Nothing has changed with what we are complaining about in 3 months now.

Not one feature that I am aware of, that was with Logos 7 Notes that was lost, has been restored.

If it has let me know.

3 Months and NOTHING.

how about at least ONE of the old Logos 7 features.

Besides, if you do not continue to PRESS from time to time, they will not realize how much WE NEED the features we were using and already paid for.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:38 PM

Wayne levi Price:
Nothing has changed with what we are complaining about in 3 months now.

This is not factually true.  See my previous post.

Wayne levi Price:
Not one feature that I am aware of, that was with Logos 7 Notes that was lost, has been restored.

Currerntly in the beta on my machine I can sort by reference, have citation links, have labels and label searching. I can also set the default font.

Wayne levi Price:
3 Months and NOTHING.
See above

Wayne levi Price:
Besides, if you do not continue to PRESS from time to time, they will not realize how much WE NEED the features we were using and already paid for

But they do realize them and ARE actively working on them and we have them in our hands for those of us who install beta versions.  And, to be fair, you didn't pay for the notes features in L7. Those are part of the free engine.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:39 PM

My dear brother, do you not remember how we used to click a note in the bible passage and the entire NOTEBOOK would open. Now it only open 'one little note' in the entire notebook.

We are forced to manually go and type in the notebook name and physically search for it now. This is extremely time-consuming.

I am glad to hear that hyperlink are about to be restored. If that is true I will be very happy indeed.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:43 PM

Wayne levi Price:
My dear brother, do you not remember how we used to click a note in the bible passage and the entire NOTEBOOK would open. Now it only open 'one little note' in the entire notebook.

I see. You are talking about note files. Notebooks did not exist before L8. So what you are wanting is the option to make the notebook active when a note is clicked?

Wayne levi Price:
I am glad to hear that hyperlink are about to be restored. If that is true I will be very happy indeed.

It's not just true, I used it not less than 5 min ago Big Smile

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:44 PM

Wayne levi Price:
We are forced to manually go and type in the notebook name and physically search for it now. This is extremely time-consuming.

Er .. ah... I'm only forced to go to the left panel and click on the correct name ... maybe we Verbum users did get something in the upgrade. Wink

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:46 PM

MJ. Smith:

Wayne levi Price:
We are forced to manually go and type in the notebook name and physically search for it now. This is extremely time-consuming.

Er .. ah... I'm only forced to go to the left panel and click on the correct name ... maybe we Verbum users did get something in the upgrade. Wink

lol that's all I have to do in Logos as well.

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 10:48 PM

Keith Cowart:
Any idea why they are set on removing titles?

It was an attempt to simplify the user interface. Most people didn't use note titles. But we're discussing bringing them back.

Even if we don't, we do plan to support sorting notes alphabetically. We'll just sort by the first letter of the first word in the note content.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 23 2019 1:25 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
It was an attempt to simplify the user interface. Most people didn't use note titles. But we're discussing bringing them back.

I never used note titles before, but I'd really like them now.

Especially, when I'm completing a workflow, I'd like the workflow question placed into the note (ideally as a title). Thanks to workflows, I have at least half-a-dozen notes on many verses, and without the context of the workflow, it's hard sometimes to know what the note refers to.

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