Does This Mean We Are Losing Our Free Original Starting March 1, 2019?

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Scott Cameron | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2019 3:29 PM

Jake Press (Faithlife):

As of March 1st, you will be able to redeem 3 Classics from the entire 3,000+ list.

Hi Jake, will the list of Classic books remain the same, or will the list get refreshed with any new additions?

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2019 3:44 PM

Are you guys going to expand the list that we can choose from the Originals? There's so many Faithlife Originals that are top tier such as "lexham discourse commentary" and "lexham bible guide" ... but they're hardly or almost never available since you offer the Originals.

Much more, I noticed the lacked of LEXHAM publisher support in L8 base package/s resources. I bought The Ultimate, but I hardly see Leham Publisher resources in my library. What's going on??

Lastly, please do expand the list on the Connect Classic, because The Ultimate base package I bought contain close to 50% of Classical Resources... (which I personally hate) .... now, I don't have good selection to choose from from the Faithlife Connect Classic. Putting me in an awkward position.

To be honest... choosing from the Classic was never an enjoyable experience... due to the selection. Now that you've increased it to 3 books... I hope the pain doesn't increase either.

Please consider that. Thanks.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2019 5:17 PM

Jake Press (Faithlife):

Hello Everyone,

Thank you for reaching out. We would like to clarify that you are not losing anything from your benefits of Faithlife Connect. As of March 1st, we are adding in new libraries (resources and books) all included in your subscription without you having to redeem anything. As we evaluated the titles that we would include, we realized a significant portion (80%+) would be titles you would normally select from via Originals. We had to change this benefit so that you wouldn't be selecting from titles that are now going to be included in your subscription.

We also wanted to make sure that we keep our promise to offer value, and thus the reason why we are giving you an additional 25% that can be used for 1 time (anything in the cart) EACH MONTH.

Lastly, we are also expanding how many classics you get on a monthly basis as well. As of March 1st, you will be able to redeem 3 Classics from the entire 3,000+ list.

We hope you continue to enjoy the benefits of Faithlife Connect and look forward to continuing to serve you.

Thank you!

Connect Team

So you are taking away the ability to choose a faithlife original title each month to own outright on the basis you now have a temporary licence over many of the books that could be chosen?  

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Andrew Biddinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2019 6:20 PM

Jake Press (Faithlife):

We would like to clarify that you are not losing anything from your benefits of Faithlife Connect. ...We had to change this benefit...

Hmm...So, if I understand correctly, we are losing ability of "purchasing and owning" a new Faithlife Original each month and it is being replaced by having a large selection of temporary licensed books. Is that correct, Jake?

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Avi | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 12:05 PM

Justin Smith:

Jake Press (Faithlife):

As we evaluated the titles that we would include, we realized a significant portion (80%+) would be titles you would normally select from via Originals. We had to change this benefit so that you wouldn't be selecting from titles that are now going to be included in your subscription.

Hi Jake,

While up until now we could keep the monthly free Faithlife Original books included with our Connect subscription regardless of our subscription status, we now only can access these resources as long as we have a Connect subscription. As I stated above, a temporary license is not equivalent to a free book. In my experience this is a big change not really made up for with a 25% cupon or two extra public domain books. I realize different users will see different value in these changes, but in my case this feels like a definite loss of value, after purchase. :(

My thoughts exactly. I'm really disappointed by this change... =\

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 12:48 PM

Mark Smith:
For me this more than makes up for the loss of one free book a month. I counted 52 new resources added to my Library on January 2. YMMV since I did own a few of the ones downloaded and you may own more or fewer than I do. All 52 have temporary licenses, but I am supposing from the email that we'll have them on a more-or-less permanent basis.

Yes, I hadn't seen this. That does change things a bit. I have 14 temporary resources that were added on 3 January, all of which are Faithlife titles.

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 1:06 PM

I like it! Thanks. 

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 1:15 PM

I also like the change. FL originals we're growing thin for me. But I hope at some point more classic scholarship titles become available.

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Michael_H | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 1:20 PM

The more I read, the more I am confused...

1. I cannot locate any new resources added to my library on 1 Jan or 2 Jan. The only added item was "The Works of President Edwards Vol 1" on 3 Jan

2. how can I filter or locate any resources in my library that are on temp license only?

3. can someone provide a list (even thoughtit might not be complete) of resources added in beginning of Jan?

Thanks in advance for any your input.

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MWW | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 1:28 PM

Michael_H:
1. I cannot locate any new resources added to my library on 1 Jan or 2 Jan

The same for me and I am a Faithlife Connect Essentials - No Library (Formerly Logos Now) subscriber. We’re we not invited to the party?

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 1:33 PM

Michael_H:

The more I read, the more I am confused...

1. I cannot locate any new resources added to my library on 1 Jan or 2 Jan. The only added item was "The Works of President Edwards Vol 1" on 3 Jan

2. how can I filter or locate any resources in my library that are on temp license only?

3. can someone provide a list (even thoughtit might not be complete) of resources added in beginning of Jan?

Thanks in advance for any your input.

Type "license:temporary" into the library pane. 

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 2:32 PM

Justin Gatlin:

Michael_H:

The more I read, the more I am confused...

1. I cannot locate any new resources added to my library on 1 Jan or 2 Jan. The only added item was "The Works of President Edwards Vol 1" on 3 Jan

2. how can I filter or locate any resources in my library that are on temp license only?

3. can someone provide a list (even thoughtit might not be complete) of resources added in beginning of Jan?

Thanks in advance for any your input.

Type "license:temporary" into the library pane. 

I just did, and only found 17 temporary licenses, the majority of which are Catholic resources (from Verbum Basic).

Of the 5 temporary licenses from Lexham Press, two are Bible Study Magazine and two are Lexham Survey of Theology. The fifth was a commentary that I got from signing up for some mailing list promotional offer.

Since I'm also an Essentials (No Library) subscriber, I wonder if I didn't get temporary access to those resources added in the beginning of January.

Perhaps FL could clarify if Essentials (No Library) subscribers are losing a permanent free book benefit, yet not gaining temporary access to any resources from the Faithlife Original catalog.

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 3:19 PM

Yes, I'm also beginning to wonder if NL subscribers have less benefits.

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Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 5:09 PM

MWW:

Michael_H:
1. I cannot locate any new resources added to my library on 1 Jan or 2 Jan

The same for me and I am a Faithlife Connect Essentials - No Library (Formerly Logos Now) subscriber. We’re we not invited to the party?

It looks like I'm in the same position as you have described. Its certainly possible some differentiation of customers based on the type of Faithlife Connect Essentials package they hold may be taking place. However, for myself at least, I'm not too concerned about the temporary licenses as I prefer to seek permanent resources. Still, it would be nice for there to be clarity about these things.    Keep well  Paul  

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 5:10 PM

PetahChristian:
Perhaps FL could clarify if Essentials (No Library) subscribers are losing a permanent free book benefit, yet not gaining temporary access to any resources from the Faithlife Original catalog.

It seems to me that this was the question posed by the OP - and Faithlife appear to be unwilling/unable to provide a straight answer. It's a simple enough question - do we still get a free original book or not?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 5:25 PM

Michael_H:
I cannot locate any new resources added to my library on 1 Jan or 2 Jan.

This may or may not apply to your situation, but for clarification: Just because something was added to your account on 1 or 2 January doesn't mean that you would see this listed on that date. It would be listed on your computer on the date which you downloaded it. 

EDIT: The January date by Mark may be misleading. He may have received resources early, or for some other reason. Jake said that these resources would be added on MARCH 1st.  

Jake Press (Faithlife):
As of March 1st, we are adding in new libraries (resources and books) all included in your subscription without you having to redeem anything.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 6:12 PM

Andrew Biddinger:

Jake Press (Faithlife):

We would like to clarify that you are not losing anything from your benefits of Faithlife Connect. ...We had to change this benefit...

Hmm...So, if I understand correctly, we are losing ability of "purchasing and owning" a new Faithlife Original each month and it is being replaced by having a large selection of temporary licensed books. Is that correct, Jake?

that's how I am understanding it, but I would like clarification.  I SUPPOSE I might like to own one book vs. rent many. . . but I'm not complaining.  I also would like access to many that I would have to wait months before I owned, if ever.  

Originally I just thought everything was the same except for the fact that I now got an additional purchase discount and 2 more free classics.  I thought the OP was a little alarmist.  Now, after Jake's explanation, I am thinking perhaps the original email needed to be more specific and clear (a common perception among us users).  Still, I'm grateful even as I ask for things like this to be COMPLETELY understandable and maybe vetted by 4 Logos employees, 5 MVPs and 10 regular users before sending out Big Smile

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 7:39 PM

JT (alabama24):
EDIT: The January date by Mark may be misleading. He may have received resources early, or for some other reason. Jake said that these resources would be added on MARCH 1st.

Here's what the email said (my emphasis added).

We’re Making a Change to Faithlife Connect

Ready to build your library? Beginning March 1, 2019, Faithlife Connect Essentials subscribers and above will receive a monthly coupon code for 25% off an order on Lexham Press.

This discount will only be valid on a single transaction each month on LexhamPress.com, and includes both print and digital books.

Additionally, we added more books to your library at the beginning of January, many of which are original content from Faithlife (Faithlife Ebook Originals.)

As of March 1, 2019, Faithlife Connect Essentials subscribers and above can redeem three free ebooks each month, now from the Faithlife classics ebook list.

Mark Barnes said he received these on 3 January.

IF a person already owned a lot of Faithlife resources he/she would not see many or any new resources added. Mark Barnes saw a lot fewer than I did, undoubtedly because he already owned many resources that I didn't.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 8:17 PM

Thank you Mark! I'm still concerned as to why I didn't receive this email as an essentials no library old LN now subscriber. Since I don't have a temporary library I wonder what changes I'll have. I'm concerned at the lack of Notification To myself by Faithlife and as it seems others who haven't received this notification. Time will tell I guess but I knew the free original wouldn't be forever as they were giving away high quality books at a loss.

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 2 2019 8:20 PM

Sounds like a good change to me! I love the classics!

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