Warning about Logos 8 Notes: Dangerous Deletion Bug or Weakness in Program?

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 10:10 AM

Wayne levi Price:
I am not talking about changing the color of the NOTE. I am talking about changing the COLOR of the Highlight you use to Highlight a particular VERSE or Words in a Bible Passage.

Exactly. This - the blue shaded word in my screenshot above - is a Solid Colors/Blue highlight that I applied (by using the shortcut B I have assigned to it in the Highlighter Tool many years back).

Nevertheless it appears in the Notes tool (since Highlights are notes since about Logos 4) and there you can change the color without erasing the highlight before

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 10:29 AM

Unless you make a video showing people how to do that I have no idea how?

There is no way your simple explanation is showing me how to actually make the change. 

Sorry, I dont see how to do it the way you are telling Big Smile

When I put a note on a word - then I highlight it later. then I go to change the Color of the highlight, I have to Erase the old highlight first, then add the new color. This will delete the Anchor or note fil attached to the old Highlight. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 10:42 AM

Wayne levi Price:
When I put a note on a word - then I highlight it later. then I go to change the Color of the highlight, I have to Erase the old highlight first, then add the new color.

This is only when you use the Highlight tool. Just forget that for the moment, but open the Notes tool instead. This tool has restyling capabilities for notes icons as well as for highlight styles. You can assign them to your note, change the color or remove either highlight style or note icon.

  

EDIT: this will show you all highlighting palettes and all highlights you have available in the highlight tool. To change from Blue to Green I just have to click: uncheck one, check the other. Hope this helps - I'm not a video person and have to run for a church meeting now. Will look into this later. 

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 12:11 PM

Thanks for your guidance. You did point me in the right direction.

I made a video showing people how to change the color the way you showed me.

Let me know if it is right or not.

Thanks

Video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23x417CaDiA&list=UUvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A 

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 12:15 PM

I think I figured it out.

Let me know if it is right or not?

Thanks

Video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23x417CaDiA&list=UUvKtswSPgm669Odrg8myn6A 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 3:22 PM

Wayne levi Price:

Thanks for your guidance. You did point me in the right direction.

I made a video showing people how to change the color the way you showed me.

Let me know if it is right or not.

For the most part, yes. Some things:

- you talk about "files" when all there is is a note or highlight, even without text. The old notes system used to have files (called "notefiles" - they have been converted to the "notebooks" you are using for test or study purposes). Now all notes and highlights are in one big database. There are no files, you were making notes and highlights (which technically are notes, too) - it may confuse people when you talk about files.

- deleting a highlight by dragging it to the Trash was something I didn't even show you, but you found it: great stuff. There's one even better thing: If you really manage to delete a note, as in written text = study results, go to the trash: it keeps them all and you can undelete them. You don't lose the study results you wrote into your notes. (What it currently does not keep is removed anchors when there are other anchors in the note/highlight. So using the Ctrl-Shift-K on a by-selection-note without text or a highlight will delete those and put them into the trash, just as when you drag them - they can be recovered. When you use it on a by-selection-note with text or highlight with multiple anchors, it will take out that one anchor. Actually this worries me a bit)    

- you found that you don't need to delete a highlight to change it: that's what I tried to show with my screenshot (actually that's what Adam tried to point you to as well in the very first answer you received on page 1 of this thread). So changing green to blue or whatever will work like a charm. 

- You seem to like adding highlights: bold and large and yellow and a box around, then maybe put a note. You found that all of these are different individual highlights that just happen to have the same anchor. If you use the same combination very often, it will pay off to have a custom highlight that combines all of those in one style. You can have a note and all of the highlighting in one place - I know, when one is used to it, it's much more convenient. I happen to dislike Logos' orange highlighter, which just marks a kind of red. So to get to a bright orange, I'll type OY or YO to add orange to yellow and it's instructive too. And I will mark a longer passage yellow and then use orange overlay for the real core message. This all to tell you: I feel your pain in getting told to make it in a different way. You don't need to. Just keep on.

- There's one thing: you said how do I find the four different highlights I put on a passage - putting all of them in a notebook is tedious. That's true. You don't need that as long as the facets help you find stuff. They currently won't if you highlight in a long book in the bible, since you can find a note by simply clicking on it, which is not true for highlights. This would argue for keeping the highlight together with the note (e.g. if the highlight conveys a certain meaning and you use the note to document why you think the words should be understood like that).  But Logos developers are working at bringing back the sort order By Reference. Then all your highlights and notes made for one passage are directly next to each other and you can find them regardless of notebooks. I was hoping for this feature for the current beta, but it hasn't materialized yet. I'm sure it will in short time.  

I do hope this helps.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 3:34 PM

WOW - That was really helpful, indeed.

Because I am using the same series of Highlights, you said, " it will pay off to have a custom highlight that combines all of those in one style."

How can I do this?

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 3:52 PM

Wayne levi Price:

Because I am using the same series of Highlights, you said, " it will pay off to have a custom highlight that combines all of those in one style."

How can I do this?

In the Highlight tool you choose a palette you like and choose "Add new style" from the dropdown command. Then you can add all the things you might like. I just built a style I called LYB for large yellow box:

Then you can play with all the effects:

red: make text larger

red box: make text bold

blue box: highlighter/solid background color selection

blue arrow: draw box around 

those are just examples of what you can do. This is how it looks, and it's applied with one keyboard stroke

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 4:08 PM

Thanks.

It works good.

Peace

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 7 2019 3:46 AM

Wayne, 

In addition to NB.Mick's response, I'll add two things:

  1. I would say that for what your are creating 4 annotations (3 highlights and 1 note) I would create only 1. To do this first create your custom highlight as per Mick's instructions, then when you apply this highlight simply add a note icon in the Notes tool (the newly applied highlight should automatically be active)
  2. You can find any annotation regardless of where you "saved" it by simply right-clicking on the highlighted text and choosing "open annotation(s)". This will open a notes tool panel with this/these annotations already selected.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 7 2019 12:34 PM

Sometimes it is working and others it is not

What am I doing wrong?

I made a VERY SHORT video showing you what I am doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPDw662U1As&t=4s 

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What you are doing wrong is you are creating two different notes (in the sense of an entry in the notes tool). One is the one created from "applying highlighting" and the other is created from "adding a note". When there are two notes in the notes tool for a range of text, you are not guaranteed to get the one you want when you "open annotation". You might get the "note" and you might get the "highlight", which will affect which decoration options have been selected.

If you want to add a note to an existing highlight, I'd recommend using "open annotation". Then adding a note icon if desired (using the selector just to the left of the highlighting style), and add any notes that you want.

Likewise, if you want to add a highlight to an existing note, open the annotation and select the desired highlighting style.

In this way you will have a single entry in your collection of notes. This makes it so that you can reliably make any of the desired changes you want.

It may be easier to throw away the idea of thinking of entries in the notes tool as either a note or a highlight. Instead, they are all an entry connected with a place in your book (either a text selection or a verse) that can be decorated like a note (with a marker) or decorated like a highlight (or both or neither if desired). Any entry can contain notes that you take. Any entry can be marked up in any way you want. Any entry can be attached to any number of anchors (or even none).

I hope that helps your understanding.

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 7 2019 4:54 PM

That was very helpful -

My problem is that I Don't always make written notes when I highlight something.

I often highlight one week then go add notes the next.

Then I will often desire to change the color of the notes at a later date.

As I changed the color by deleting the old color and adding a new color, I realized that I was also deleting the NOTE link that was added to the verse.

I really do not want to "HAVE TO" make a NOTE just for the Color so that I can change it later. It seems that it would be a lot easier just to click on the color and change it. But, your saying that 'if I want to change the color I need to be able to identify the NOTE that it is in, Right?

I am kinda getting it. Little by little.

I do appreciate your help.

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Wayne levi Price:
I really do not want to "HAVE TO" make a NOTE just for the Color so that I can change it later.

Assuming that when you say "NOTE" here, you mean an entry that shows up in the Notes tool, then there is no way around this. Any note or highlight you make is an entry in the Notes tool.

But, if you only have one entry at any given distinct location (overlaps are fine, such as if you want a different highlight on a single word within a sentence that has been highlighted), then it makes it much easier to make changes. If you want to add some text, just "Open annotation" and add the text. If you want to change the color, just "Open annotation" and change the color. If you want to add or remove highlighting, or add or remove a note marker, or attach your note text to other locations in your Bible (or other books), just "Open annotation" and make the desired changes. The key is to only have one entry in the Notes tool so that you can reliably use "Open annotation" and make the changes you want to that single entry.

Please don't be afraid to ask if you need more clarification.

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Angelia Ulrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 20 2019 7:58 AM

GM. I am endeavoring to learn the new L8 notes system. When I opened a cmty, I saw a note that I had highlighted. It also had an icon attached that I had not attached. I highlighted the text, clicked control+shift+k & the icon was gone but the text was highlighted in a different color. I've tried multiple times to select the text & control+shift+k to get the highlight completely gone. It will not "erase." Thanks for your insight.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 20 2019 9:13 AM

Angelia Ulrich:

GM. I am endeavoring to learn the new L8 notes system. When I opened a cmty, I saw a note that I had highlighted. It also had an icon attached that I had not attached. I highlighted the text, clicked control+shift+k & the icon was gone but the text was highlighted in a different color. I've tried multiple times to select the text & control+shift+k to get the highlight completely gone. It will not "erase." Thanks for your insight.

A new thread with a screenshot would be helpful. Is it possible that you have a search window open? 

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Wayne levi Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 20 2019 3:34 PM

It may not be highlighted but may be colored due to a feature selected from a drop-down menu above in the toolbar. Check the 3 dots drop-down menu and uncheck some of the boxes. It is just an idea. Maybe I am wrong. 

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