8.3 Beta 2: Fresh Installation

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2019 5:29 PM

Summary

  1. Uninstalled 8.3 Beta 1 and deleted the Logos folder
  2. Started Installation of 8.3 Beta 2
    1. Chose Custom to D: drive
    2. Set Auto Download of Updates to NO (default = YES)
  3. Signed In + "Preparing Library"
  4. "Download Your Logos 8 Library" window appeared
    1. Chose Recommended 345/2551 resources @ 6.76 GB;
      1. (Everything was 2551 resources @ 20.99 GB)
    2. Set Auto Download of New Resources to NO (default)
  5. Step 1 - Preparing to Download
  6. Step 2 - Downloading 3.76 GB resources
  7. Step 3 - Indexing
    1. Sounded like indexing, but No log for about 8 minutes.
    2. Log showed 8 Library resources indexed (checking 164?EDIT: understand 164 = 152 datasets + 12 resources
  8. Pressed button to "Open Logos"
    1. All resources = 2255   (2113 in v 8.2)
    2. On This device = 12 (see below)
      1. Presumably, only 8 needed indexing
      2. Also presume this was because I set Auto Download of Updates to NO (Step 2.2)
      3. But why were any resources downloaded (these 12 are not useful)?
    3. Note absence of Ratings (My Tags are OK for these 12).
    4. Notification icon showed:
      1. 481.6 MB of Updates waiting
      2. 12 updated resources
      3. 152 Updated datasets (including non-used RVI datasets)
  9. Downloaded 481.6 MB
    1. On This device = 84 (see below)
    2. These are more useful, but My Tags and my Ratings are missing from many of them.
    3. No Commentaries, so a Passage Guide is useless
    4. Did not include BKC & SBLGNT which are frequently used (and loaded with my last used layout)

First 12 resources

Current 84 resources

Further Comments

  1. EDIT: Resource Types are not balanced
    1. Not enough Encyclopedias, Monographs
    2. No Commentaries, no Concordances
    3. Too many Lectionary
  2. Logos folder is 8.28 GB. Resources folder is 7.04 GB for 236 files.
    1. 152 datasets were "Updated". 152 datasets + 84 on device = 236 files (OK)
    2. The Estimate was 6.76 GB for 345 resources
  3. Looking at "Not on this device"
    1.  user Series are also missing.
    2. EDIT: one PB is included that cannot can be downloaded (the one other PB is not in Library)
    3. many Hidden resources are included, accounting for the 2255 vs 2113  in Logos 8.2
      1. AFAIK these are still listed in Program Settings > Hidden Resources!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 5 2019 10:59 PM

Dave Hooton:
No Commentaries, so a Passage Guide is useles

  1. Scanning 59 Tyndale Commentaries  from a folder.
    1. Indexing completed in a fast 35s (50s overall).
    2. No "Updated" notice
    3. Passage Guide still useless as no user Rating for collection rule (had to Add new section with All Commentaries)

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 2:30 AM

David, reading this..
I guess you are saying, unhide all resources before installing beta, to prevent download, before installing beta or do I misunderstand your results

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 2:41 AM

DominicM:

David, reading this..
I guess you are saying, unhide all resources before installing beta, to prevent download, before installing beta or do I misunderstand your results

The red letter is for a Bug, because hidden resources should stay hidden ("hidden" affects all installations, whilst "removed" resources are local).

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I believe some of the oddness is due to a problem that we've resolved for beta 3 that would cause a subset of the selected resources to download initially. Anything I don't directly address below is likely related to that issue. I would love for you to run another installation test after Beta 3 ships.

Dave Hooton:
Note absence of Ratings (My Tags are OK for these 12).

This sounds to me like your syncing process has not completed. Is your syncing icon still spinning? If so, please wait until it stops and see if the ratings show up. If not, please upload logs.

Dave Hooton:
The Estimate was 6.76 GB for 345 resources

We've got an open case to investigate some apparent problems with the expected download size that is reported.

Dave Hooton:
EDIT: one PB is included that cannot can be downloaded (the one other PB is not in Library)

That sounds correct. One PB was presumably uploaded, and the other was not.

Dave Hooton:
many Hidden resources are included, accounting for the 2255 vs 2113  in Logos 8.2

Are you saying that you you have Hidden resources that are showing up in your Library? This is definitely a bug. Please upload a log.

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DominicM:

David, reading this..
I guess you are saying, unhide all resources before installing beta, to prevent download, before installing beta or do I misunderstand your results

DominicM, if you already have an existing installation, then there should be no changes to what is downloaded and not. If you are making a brand new installation, then the application will prompt you for what you want to download (although it appears there may be problems with hidden resources incorrectly getting downloaded).

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 11:05 AM

Dave Hooton:

Dave Hooton:
No Commentaries, so a Passage Guide is useles

  1. Scanning 59 Tyndale Commentaries  from a folder.
    1. Indexing completed in a fast 35s (50s overall).
    2. No "Updated" notice
    3. Passage Guide still useless as no user Rating for collection rule (had to Add new section with All Commentaries)

Dave,

What is your highest Base Package? I can then check what should be downloaded under recommended for Commentaries.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 12:04 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

This sounds to me like your syncing process has not completed. Is your syncing icon still spinning? If so, please wait until it stops and see if the ratings show up. If not, please upload logs.

Sync icon is not spinning - all items are up to date. I tried restarting Logos and a Sync Repair, but a lot of user metadata is still missing.

075520.Logos.log

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
Are you saying that you you have Hidden resources that are showing up in your Library? This is definitely a bug. Please upload a log.

Hidden resources are in Library, inflating the resource count.  They include 60x Thru the Bible Commentary, 42x CAL Targums, RSVCE, Pictorial Lives of the Saints.

Unfortunately, I lost the original log. I will run another installation test with Beta 3.

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
We've got an open case to investigate some apparent problems with the expected download size that is reported.

Make it clear that it is a download size, and separate the number of datasets from the number of library resources.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 6 2019 5:50 PM

Philana R. Crouch:
What is your highest Base Package? I can then check what should be downloaded under recommended for Commentaries.

Silver from Logos 6 is my highest. BKC is my favourite, but NAC, EBC (old), or Tyndale Commentaries would be fine.

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Dave, I think I understand what's happening here now. It's probably the resources that were not downloaded (and in your case, that's most of your resources) are not showing your custom metadata. I'm looking into a fix now.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 3:00 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
It's probably the resources that were not downloaded (and in your case, that's most of your resources) are not showing your custom metadata.

Of the 84 that were downloaded with the installation, 53 don't have a user Rating, and are missing other user metadata.

None of the 59 Tyndale commentaries that I subsequently scanned from a folder have user metadata.

The majority (2090) of resources "Not on this device" have no user metadata.

The  only way I get user metadata is to sync it from another installation e.g. with new resources

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Brian Kane | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2019 6:46 PM

Can I ask where you are getting the installer to do a fresh installation of the Beta versions? I'm looking for the beta installer for macOS

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2019 12:54 PM

Look for a link in the post that notifies you about new software  versions being available e.g. Logos 8.3 Beta 3 (8.3.0.0007)

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 20 2019 1:48 PM

Dave Hooton:

Sync icon is not spinning - all items are up to date. I tried restarting Logos and a Sync Repair, but a lot of user metadata is still missing.

This has been fixed in 8.3 Beta 4.

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