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Greg Perry | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jun 22 2010 11:00 AM

I have waited long enough for a Windows tablet to compete with the iPad. Doesn't look promising anytime soon.

So, I am probably ready for the iPad. The ONLY reason is because I want Logos on the go easier than with my laptop and a more effective screen experience than the iPhone.

I searched YouTube and was surprised to find only one video demonstrating the iPad and Logos (a 2-parter).

Have any been posted here? My biggest question is how fast the response is in general, especially when hooked to a WiFi signal (not using the 3G service).

Thanks.

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Greg Perry | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 11:01 AM

(I failed to explain, the YouTube video is not extremely clear and does not show responsiveness too effectively.)

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Cameron Watters (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 11:39 AM

I don't know of any, but you'll probably have more luck on the iPhone/iPad app forum:

http://community.logos.com/forums/74.aspx

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tjebme | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 11:41 AM

I'm glad to have Logos on the iPad (particularly because of the money I have invested in my Logos library). However, I regularly find myself anticipating a better experience in the future as Logos hopefully continues to improve the product on the iPad. I use the Logos app for maintaining reading plans, but regularly do my Bible reading on a competitor's app because it is more e-reader like and it's not quite as sluggish. The Logos app is usable when it comes to speed, but there is often a lag for me between the time I try to initiate a function and when the Logos app carries out the command...like reading in a book and then trying to call up the Logos menu at the bottom of the screen. Maneuvering through the library can also be a trying experience. I'm not sure how the program actually operates, but it often feels like it is trying to talk to a server and thus the several second lag between the command and the end result. I have a 25MB pipe so I'm not restricted in terms of data capacity/throughput at home. For me, the bottom line is this app has huge potential on the iPad, but there is a lot of room for improvement.

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 11:45 AM

I did a little testing with mine and it is about 3.5 seconds to pull up a passage to read. That is using a pretty good wireless network and internet connection. This compares with milliseconds for a local resource app I use that will remain unnamed. It is usable but not great for me.

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Daniel Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 11:52 AM

I don't have an iPad but my father in law does, and compared to the iPod Touch (I've used 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen models) the iPad on WiFi felt sluggish.  Possibly reception is not as good due to antenna placement or something?  Just my two cents.  On my iPod, I do see the delays others have noted when using the passage guide, but it's pretty snappy on locally downloaded resources (3rd gen iPod Touch).

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Cameron Watters (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 12:04 PM

Robert Mullen:
This compares with milliseconds for a local resource app I use that will remain unnamed. It is usable but not great for me.

Is that for a locally-cached resource (which you should be able to do on the iPhone/iPad app)?

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 12:10 PM

Cameron Watters:

Robert Mullen:
This compares with milliseconds for a local resource app I use that will remain unnamed. It is usable but not great for me.

Is that for a locally-cached resource (which you should be able to do on the iPhone/iPad app)?

The milliseconds comment is a competitor's application that does store resources on the iPad. Unfortunately it has a small library and no original languages. That is what drives me back to Logos. I have used the Logos app in offline mode which speeds it up tremendously but it also makes search, word study, interlinear, etc. all unavailable. I know it would be a bunch of work to convert those server side functions from .NET Framework to Cocoa (I have converted data centric routines in my own company in that direction) but it can be done and I hope Logos views it as worthy of their time. I keep hoping to see a roadmap so I can know whether I need to invest some money elsewhere. I would rather Logos gets my dollars but in the end I need my tools.

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Thomas Ball | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 12:54 PM

I'm moving this thread to the iPhone forum as that is where the developer for that program typically looks. Others there may be helpful as well.

 

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Steve Hultquist | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 12:57 PM

On my iPad:

4 seconds from launch to home page. Clicking Read brings up the resource immediately. Clicking a new resource (that's downloaded) is about 2-3 seconds. A Passage Guide is about 5 seconds. A word study, 2-3 seconds.

I suppose I could do a video one of these days...

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John Calvin Hall | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 22 2010 1:31 PM

Greg Perry:
My biggest question is how fast the response is in general, especially when hooked to a WiFi signal (not using the 3G service).

 

Hey there Greg.

 

I am in the exact same boat as you!  Last week I broke down and bought a 64Gig iPad, and I don't regret the investment.  Booting up the iPad is very quick, and if you are in a solid Wi-Fi hotspot, the connection is almost instantaneous.  

 

As far as booting up Logos, it takes about 2 seconds to have Logos booted and another 4 seconds for you to open your Library.

Is this fast enough?  :)

 

Sure, there are a few things that I would see added to Logos iPad Edition that is not currently there, but I figure this will come along sooner or later.

{{Hey Logos!  Would LUV to be able to have 2 sources open simultaneously!}}

 

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:32 AM

Greg Perry:

(I failed to explain, the YouTube video is not extremely clear and does not show responsiveness too effectively.)

When you say not clear what did you mean? Blurry or didn't explain things clearly.

What could be shown to show responsiveness?

I am asking as I am betting that it was my video you were viewing. I'm open to improve it as I will be doing another to coincide with my CCMag review just released today.

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Greg Perry | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 23 2010 10:50 AM

Kevin, I am sorry but it was I who was not clear when I posted the first post in this thread. But I was trying to get a feel for responsiveness more than anything and although I learned a lot about responsiveness from your videos, some of the posts above are more helpful because they specifically answer the time it takes to open Passage Guide given various WiFi speeds, etc.,  and what it is like move around and open various other areas.

You do show those kinds of things but the video seems a little washed out and not close-up enough in places but that is NOT your fault I believe.

Much of your video, especially part I, sort of assumes we are familiar with the iPhone app some, and not all of us are. Some of us only know desktop PC Logos so it took me a while and several viewings to figure out what you were doing, such as having to "restart the app" to get the screen updated properly, etc.

Also, obviously I am used to seeing Camtasia-style videos in learning and using Logos and a video made from a camera filming an iPad and iPhone can never be quite as pure in color or crispness in resolution so at times I had trouble knowing exactly what I was seeing on your video.

***I want to stress, that is more of the nature of this sort of video and MUCH LESS an aspect of what YOU specifically did.

But I also want to thank several of the posts above for helping give me an idea of the time responsiveness and to know what to expect in speed. I have a VERY fast desktop so the iPad speed seems extremely slow to me given what people said above.

And yet - I have the lust of the eyes and want a cool iPad, extra-fast Cray-computer-like speed, and... oh and Logos giving me every book they offer free would be good also... but we can't have it all!

Thanks,

Greg

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Chris Dixon | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 24 2010 9:48 AM

By far, the biggest drawback for me is the inability to cut and paste or make clippings.  I'm constantly finding things I want to mark or remember, and I have to exit out of the app, make a "to do" entry, and then go look it up again sometime later on my PC to cut-and-paste (often having a hard time finding it again).

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Greg Perry | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 24 2010 10:17 AM

Chris, this was one of my concerns also being single-tasking.

With the new multi-tasking OS for the iPhone, many are saying that the iPad should be upgraded to this before the end of the year too. Do you think the ability to have both to-do AND Logos open at the same time will help reduce this annoyance to just a minor aggrevation?

(Actually, with multi-tasking apps, probably we will be able to copy-and-paste by dragging, from app-to-app?)

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 24 2010 6:16 PM

 

Just a question for you iPad owners.

I know there is no camera, but can you click the home button (round intentation) and the power switch simultaneously, to capture a screen image?

 

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John Calvin Hall | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 24 2010 9:35 PM

Dan Sheppard:

Just a question for you iPad owners.

I know there is no camera, but can you click the home button (round intentation) and the power switch simultaneously, to capture a screen image?

 

 

1.  John reads post.

2.  John thinks to himself, "Naw!  This can't happen.  Never even heard of this!"

3.  John grabs iPad, and powers it up...

4.  John hears a "click" of a camera shutter!!!!

 

 

Wow!!!  Didn't know I could do that!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 24 2010 11:02 PM

Dan, I'm just a lurker here, an not even an iPad owner, but how on earth did you, as presumably a non-iPad-owner too, know that would work? Or is John Calvin pulling our leg (he could have taken that photo with a digital camera for all I know)?

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John Calvin Hall | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 25 2010 1:10 AM

Rosie Perera:
Or is John Calvin pulling our leg...

 

* John looks down at his left hand... empty.

* John looks down at his right hand... also empty.

 

Nope! Not pulling anybody's leg.

 

This is an actual screen shot, taken in the manner that was suggested.  I just didn't know you could do that.

Hey!  Does anyone else know how to do what with the iPad???

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Bryan O Clements | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 25 2010 11:35 AM

It is the same function as on the iPhone.  Being that they use the same operating system, yes you can take a screen shot by pressing the Menu button and the power switch at the same time.

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