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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 11:34 AM

DAL:

mab:

DAL:
Oh yeah, how much did you invest right off the bat? — taxes and everything else included.  Give us the actual price, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing that with us.

Let's try remedial reading: You invest in what matters most to you. Counting the cost isn't always apparent on a price tag.

I have over $40K in Logos. What I spent on the computer is spit.

What part of that don't you understand? 

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too.  Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have.  I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point.  It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it.  It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop.  That’s a great way to support your point!  Great job ๐Ÿ˜‚

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor.  It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now ๐Ÿ‘‹ 

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Could you guys just agree to disagree and not clutter up this thread with this kind of arguing?

Disclaimer:  I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication.  If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 11:45 AM

The ability to create Reading Plans based on divisions in the table of contents of resources.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 11:54 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Hebrew/Aramaic read aloud with cantillation chanting

That would be very interesting. I know very little about cantillation, but heard an example last night in Hebrew class of how an accented syllable affects chanting.

My top three Logos 9 Wishlist items: Carta, Dark mode, and Hebrew audio bible, please.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 11:55 AM

Don’t worry, Joseph! I won’t bother with the guy anymore.  His temporary solutions are of no help anyway; so myself and others, will just keep our fingers crossed hoping we get some real speed in the next upgrade.

DAL

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Roger G Black | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 11:58 AM

YesGeeked

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 12:03 PM

1. Speed

2. No more features until all existing ones are finished and polished.  For example, what is use for corresponding highlights, when it is not available to mobile devices? 

3. Touch screen friendly. 

"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill 

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 12:06 PM

DAL:

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too.  Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have.  I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point.  It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it.  It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop.  That’s a great way to support your point!  Great job ๐Ÿ˜‚

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor.  It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now ๐Ÿ‘‹ 

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚



You proved my point that you still can't read what I wrote. So here : I spent exactly $2419.99 at Best Buy for an XPS 15. Compared to the exact
$41,200.38 in my Logos order history that is spit. Do you need a serial number? Blood type? 

No wonder Jesus didn't answer the Pharisees. Still blind.

 

 

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 12:06 PM

DAL:

The part I don’t understand is the part you seem to miss — Logos needs speed and it’s a proven fact experienced by others too.  Not everyone has over $40K invested in Logos like you “claim” you have.  I kind of doubt it, but that’s not the point.  It seems kind of odd and funny (even hilarious) that you are willing to brag about having invested “over” $40K in Logos, but you will not tell us the actual price you paid for your “Spit” laptop, ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ I have a lot invested in Logos too and upgraded my laptop also and it still lags and slows down other programs. So I expect the software to function properly without me having to spend another fortune on a machine to be able to run it.  It‘s a reasonable request everybody has asked, including Rosie who has actually invested in Logos more than you and her investment is real not like your so called hypothetical “over $40K” and you can’t even say how much you actually paid for your spit laptop.  That’s a great way to support your point!  Great job ๐Ÿ˜‚

So anyway, keep lying to yourself about your nonsense “count the cost” metaphor.  It doesn’t apply here nor your fake hypothetical arrogant “over $40K” investment. Your spit laptop investment is probably fake too and that’s why you’re not telling us.

Ok, bye now ๐Ÿ‘‹ 

Ps. So how was that for remedial reading? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚



You proved my point that you still can't read what I wrote. So here : I spent exactly $2419.99 at Best Buy for an XPS 15. Compared to the exact
$41,200.38 in my Logos order history that is spit. Do you need a serial number? Blood type? 

No wonder Jesus didn't answer the Pharisees. Still blind. 

And Logos is fast!!!!!!

 

 

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 12:48 PM

mab:
And Logos is fast!!!!!!

Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance? I know speed can be relative if you've never used something faster than Logos. I might think Logos 8 was fast on my machine if I had never used anything else. I've used Accordance Lite (trying before buying) on the same machine as Logos 8 and it's much more snappy and quick. It's more responsive and fast. That's what WE want Logos 9 to be like.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 12:59 PM

John Kight:
Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance?

Let's not forget the speed demon, Libby. With mab's pc, she'd burn the data up. Then there's Bibleworks that updates the side panels so fast, you have to really use both hands on the mouse. Watch out for those whiskers! I haven't tried WordSearch. But I think Phil wanted do-able ideas.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 1:02 PM

Anyway...how about bringing back the “choose your preferred Bible” option that we had in the home screen in Logos 7? I thought I read somewhere it was going to be brought back.

Also, a better and easier way to prioritize resources.  Sometimes you have prioritized so many resources already that when you want to prioritize new ones trying to arrange them where you want them becomes kind of hard.

DAL

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 1:06 PM

DAL:
Also, a better and easier way to prioritize resources.  Sometimes you have prioritized so many resources already that when you want to prioritize new ones trying to arrange them where you want them becomes kind of hard.

Oh yes, an updated and more user friendly GUI for prioritization would be nice. It's already a very, very powerful feature, but I don't know how many generations of the software it's been since it got a visual makeover, and I think it needs one.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 1:33 PM

SineNomine:

DAL:
I’m 100% sure you mean new books from the existing catalog that have never been included in a base package before — not new books that aren’t part of the existing catalog and that all of a sudden will magically appear in the new Logos 9 base packages.  If memory serves me correctly, I don’t think that’s ever been done before.

I think it has been done before, but I can't remember any specific examples of resources offhand. It has definitely been done in base package-like feature-enhanced libraries.

Maybe, but it’d be nice for FL to clarify so they avoid creating false expectations/hopes for a lot of users ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ‘Œ

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 2:52 PM

John Kight:
Out of curiosity, mab, have you ever used Accordance?

Yes. I was using it before Logos 4 came out.

John Kight:
That's what WE want Logos 9 to be like.

Sorry if my contentment with the product's current ability should be seen as adversarial when it's not. I waited through four generations of Logos for it just like everyone else and I am sure it will improve.

I'd be happier if I was as snappy and quick as my computer can be. 

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 3:09 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Can you imagine integration of worship songs with Bible Study ? (that quickly works well)

And here I'd be satisfied with a a new guide section that selected hymn texts already in Logos by passage and/or topic ... and classified them by meter, tone, or chant as appropriate. Examples from my library:

  • Bevan, Frances. Hymns of Ter Steegen, Suso, and Others. London: James Nisbet & Co., 1894.
  • The Roman Psalter. Electronic edition. Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 1999.
  • Birkbeck, W. J., and G. R. Woodward, eds. The Acáthist Hymn of the Holy Orthodox Eastern Church. London; New York; Bombay; Calcutta; Madras: Longmans, Green and Co., 1917.
  • Bonar, Horatius. Communion Hymns. London: J. Nisbet & Co., 1881.
  • Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: First Series. New York: Robert Carter & Brothers, 1866.
  • Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: Second Series. London: J. Nisbet & Co., 1886.
  • Bonar, Horatius. Hymns of Faith and Hope: Third Series. London: James Nisbet & Co., 1866.
  • Bonar, Horatius, and Charlotte Murray. Songs of the Dawn. London; New York: James E. Hawkins; E. P. Dutton & Co., 1887.
  • Brownlie, John, trans. Hymns of the Holy Eastern Church: Translated from the Service Books with Introductory Chapters on the History, Doctrine, and Worship of the Church. Paisley: Alexander Gardner, 1902.
  • Charlesworth, James H., trans. The Earliest Christian Hymnbook: The Odes of Solomon. Eugene, OR: Cascade Books, 2009.
  • Chilcote, Paul Wesley. The Song Forever New: Lent and Easter with Charles Wesley. New York; Harrisburg, PA; Denver: Morehouse Publishing, 2009.
  • Ephrem the Syrian. Ephrem the Syrian: Hymns. Edited by Bernard McGinn. Translated by Kathleen E. McVey. The Classics of Western Spirituality. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1989.
  • Ephrem the Syrian. Select Metrical Hymns and Homilies of Ephraem Syrus. Translated by Henry Burgess. London; Berlin: Robert B. Blackader; Sampson Low, Son and Co.; Asher and Co., 1853.
  • General Synod of the Lutheran Church in the United States. Book of Worship. Philadelphia: Lutheran Publication Society, 1884.
  • Hymnal and Liturgies of the Moravian Church (Unitas Fratrum). Bethlehem, PA: Provincial Synod, 1920.
  • Ironside, H. A. The Poems and Hymns of H. A. Ironside. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009.
  • Keach, Benjamin. Spiritual Songs: Being the Marrow of the Scripture, in Songs of Praise to Almighty God; From the Old and New Testament. Second Edition. London: John Marshal, 1700.
  • Keble, J. The Psalter, or Psalms of David: In English Verse. Fourth Edition. Oxford; London: James Parker and Co., 1869.
  • Ken, Thomas. Bishop Ken’s Christian Year or Hymns and Poems for the Holy Days and Festivals of the Church. London: Basil Montagu Pickering, 1868.
  • Kurtz, Benjamin. Lutheran Prayer Book: For the Use of Families and Individuals. Revised and Enlarged Edition. Baltimore: T. Newton Kurtz, 1860.
  • Lawson, John. A Thousand Tongues: The Wesley Hymns as a Guide to Scriptural Teaching. Exeter: The Paternoster Press, 1987.
  • Logos Hymnal. 1st edition. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995.
  • Lund, Eric, and Bernard McGinn, eds. Seventeenth-Century Lutheran Meditations and Hymns. The Classics of Western Spirituality. New York; Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 2011.
  • Luther, Martin. Hymns of the Reformation. Translated by Philip Melancthon. London: Charles Gilpin, 1845.
  • Luther, Martin. The Hymns of Martin Luther: Set to Their Original Melodies with an English Version. Edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1883.
  • Luther, Martin, and John Hunt. The Spiritual Songs of Martin Luther: From the German. Translated by Thomas Clark. London: Hamilton, Adams, and Co., 1853.
  • Neale, J. M., trans. Hymns of the Eastern Church. London; New York: J. T. Hayes; Pott & Amery, 1870.
  • Page, T. E., E. Capps, W. H. D. Rouse, L. A. Post, and E. H. Warmington, eds. Prudentius. Translated by H. J. Thomson. Vol. I & II. The Loeb Classical Library. London; Cambridge, MA: William Heinemann Ltd; Harvard University Press, 1949–1953.
  • Pick, Bernhard. Hymns and Poetry of the Eastern Church. New York; Cincinnati: Eaton & Mains; Jennings & Graham, 1908.
  • Pierson, Arthur T., and A. J. Gordon. The Coronation Hymnal: A Selection of Hymns and Songs. Philadelphia: American Baptist Publication Society, 1894.
  • Prudentius. Prudentius: Latin Text. Edited by T. E. Page, E. Capps, W. H. D. Rouse, L. A. Post, and E. H. Warmington. Vol. I & II. The Loeb Classical Library. London; Cambridge, MA: William Heinemann Ltd; Harvard University Press, 1949–1953.
  • Ryle, J. C. Hymns for the Church on Earth. London: William Hunt and Company, 1876.
  • Simpson, A. B. Hymns and Songs of the Four-Fold Gospel, and the Fullness of Jesus. New York: The Christian Alliance Publishing Company, 1890.
  • Simpson, A. B., ed. Hymns of the Christian Life. Vol. 2. South Nyack, NY: Christian Alliance Publishing Co., 1897.
  • Simpson, A. B., and R. Kelso Carter, eds. Hymns of the Christian Life. Vol. 1. New York: Christian Alliance Publishing Co., 1891.
  • Spurgeon, C. H. Our Own Hymn Book: A Collection of Psalms and Hymns for Public, Social and Private Worship. London: Passmore & Alabaster, 1883.
  • St Ephrem. Hymns on Paradise. Translated by Sebastian Brock. Popular Patristics Series. Crestwood, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 1990.
  • St Symeon the New Theologian. Divine Eros: Hymns of St Symeon the New Theologian. Edited by John Behr. Translated by Daniel K. Griggs. Vol. 40. Popular Patristics Series. Crestwood, NY: St
  • St. Ephrem the Syrian. The Hymns on Faith. Translated by Jeffrey T. Wickes. Vol. 130. The Fathers of the Church. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America Press, 2015.
  • The Benedictine Monks of Conception Abbey. The Revised Grail Psalms: A Liturgical Psalter. Chicago, IL: GIA Publications, Inc., 2010.
  • The Book of Common Prayer from the Original Manuscript: Attached to the Act of Uniformity of 1662. London; Edinburgh; Glasgow; Melbourne; Sydney; New York: Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1892.
  • The Book of Common Prayer: And Administration of the Sacraments and Other Rites and Ceremonies of the Church. New York: The Protestant Episcopal Church, 1892.
  • The Episcopal Church. The Book of Common Prayer, 1979. New York: Church Publishing Incorporated, 2007.
  • The General Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Hymns, Selected and Original, for Public and Private Worship. Second Edition; First Revised Edition. Baltimore: T. Newton Kurtz, 1852.
  • The Norwegian Evangelical Lutheran Synod, The Hauge’s Evangelical Lutheran Synod, and The United Norwegian Lutheran Church of America. The Lutheran Hymnary. Minneapolis, MN: Augsburg Publishing House, 1921.
  • The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America. The Book of Common Prayer and Administration of the Sacraments and Other Rites and Ceremonies of the Church. New York: The Seabury Press, 1976.
  • United Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in the South. The Book of Worship. Charleston, SC: Committee of United Synod on Common Book of Worship, 1907.
  • Van Oudenrijn, M. The Harp of Glory: Enzira Sebhat: An Alphabetical Hymn of Praise for the Ever-Blessed Virgin Mary from the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Edited by John Behr. Translated by John Anthony McGuckin. Vol. 39. Popular Patristics Series. Yonkers, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 2010.
  • Vincent, Charles, D. J. Wood, and John Stainer, eds. The Hymnal Companion to the Book of Common Prayer with Accompanying Tunes. Third Edition, Revised and Enlarged. London; New York; Bombay; Calcutta: Longmans Green, and Co., 1914.
  • Watts, Isaac. The Psalms and Hymns of Isaac Watts. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1998.
  • Whitefield, George. A Collection of Hymns for Social Worship. Seventh Edition. London: William Strahan, 1758.
  • Whitley, Katerina Katsarka. Light to the Darkness: Lessons and Carols: Public and Private. New York; Harrisburg, PA: Morehouse Publishing, 2008.
  • Woodward, G. R., trans. The Most Holy Mother of God: In the Songs of the Eastern Church. London: The Faith Press, 1919.

And yes, Hillsong Worship deserves equal treatment but it's the old stuff I've used for Bible Study with Art over the years. And I love the idea of the Hebrew cantillation to which I'd want to add the Byzantine chants Wink

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 6:48 PM

Wild Eagle:

1. Speed

2. No more features until all existing ones are finished and polished.  For example, what is use for corresponding highlights, when it is not available to mobile devices? 

3. Touch screen friendly. 

Yes to all of the above!

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 6:50 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?

  • What general themes or areas should we focus on?
  • What bugs should we fix?
  • What improvements should we make to existing features?
  • What new features should we add?
  • What new data sets should we build?
  • What new books should we include?

Please specify desktop, mobile, and/or web, where appropriate.

What does your ideal Logos 9 upgrade look like? What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?

If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?

Please include links to forum threads, User Voice requests, etc. where applicable.

We've reviewed the User Voice feedback for desktop, mobile, and books, but I want to make sure that the priorities there are reflective of the current priorities of our forum community.

Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback!

Honestly, i think that a robust focus on mobile, markup, and notes would be key. This would involve integration with Apple Pencil (iPad OS and Sidecar) and styylus on other devices. Notes that would allow freehand notetaking, image importing, etc would be wonderful and should be integrated across all platforms. It would be optimal to have markup respond more seamlessly with pencil in a reading mode. 

Also, try to get better feature parity and polish in the mobile/web platform. 

Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
gbcaz.org

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Darrell Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 8:37 PM

I second speed, particularly for startup and light use (viewing resources) on desktop. Often, I just want to refer to a resource, not conduct a complex query. Indexing, updates, building up to max horsepower... all these should not take precedence over what I need to do. Maybe, along the lines of what John Duffy suggested, allow users to have a 'lite' or fast startup configuration when they don't need the full firepower.

There are some practical pointers, which I've done a couple of: e.g. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/187051.aspx

I still think, though, that this is a problem for Logos and not primarily the user. With a system that meets and exceeds the published system requirements (and is able to run photo and video editing software), it is not reasonable to me to require all these tweaks to hardware and software just to have Logos desktop be functional.

Due to the speed issue, I mostly use Logos on mobile now. I only went to desktop recently to create a custom Bible reading plan.

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John | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 9:48 PM

If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app.  Until that happens the customer base will continue to age. I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it.  The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets, and are not buying as many computers.  In fact phones and mobile devices have outsold computers every year since 2010....it’s been an entire decade now.  At a bare minimum, all of the tools in the guides menu should be available in the app, workflows, etc.  Tablets and phones so powerful nowadays they are easily able to handle that.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 18 2019 10:05 PM

John:
I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it.  The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets,

I can vouch this applies to my daughter-in-law ELCA pastor and her seminary cohorts.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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