Which new Wordsearch resources would you like to see first?

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  • Small Heath
    Small Heath Member Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭

    I'm anxious to get The Gospel Project. I had it downloaded onto my desktop and the first year became corrupted. I can't download it from WS anymore. I only need Fall of 2015, Winter of 2016, Spring of 2016, and Summer of 2016. All I need is the first year. I purchased those through Lifeway. How can I get a copy of those? Pretty please?

  • Robert Jassey
    Robert Jassey Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Dake, please

  • Small Heath
    Small Heath Member Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭

    Are you including resources from Lifeway, like The Gospel Project, which is scheduled to become a Logos resource, or will I need to repurchase that? 

  • George
    George Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Please get my Preacher's Outline Sermon Bible Commentary it is the most valuable resource other than the Bible itself.

  • Richard Summitt
    Richard Summitt Member Posts: 3 ✭✭

    Yes--I agree--would like to have Dake Bible notes, and other Dake products--are they in the making?

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,114

    George said:

    Please get my Preacher's Outline Sermon Bible Commentary it is the most valuable resource other than the Bible itself.

    These are already available: https://www.logos.com/wordsearch/library-migration 

    Is there something specific you're missing?

  • Bobby and Kimberly Atwood
    Bobby and Kimberly Atwood Member Posts: 6 ✭✭

    I have used Word Search for years and have grown quite fond of it's features and functions. I know we can be conditioned to doing things a certain way and have been opened minded about Logos but it's just not worth it at this point. I understand there is a learning curve to anything new but when I spend over an hour to try and figure out how to do a simple function that took seconds on Word Search it's very disheartening. I understand Logos is a more advance software program but I only have so many hours in a day like everyone else and I can't be spending most of it trying to figure out how to navigate through this non-user friendly program. I have decided to keep using my Word Search software for time purposes. I mean, Word Search had a Strong's numbering system built into the KJV where all I had to do is just hover over the number and "BAM" there it is. Maybe some one on one help could benefit me but once again, how much time will it take. I never had any tutorial's with Word Search; it was that user friendly. I hope you guys can win me back. This may not be the right place for this post but hope it finds it's way to the right person.

  • Mickey Little
    Mickey Little Member Posts: 26 ✭✭

    Dakes Annotated Bible Study Notes and Thompson Chain Reference.

    How do we know when new titles are added? Do I just once a month go to the store and search? 

  • Richard Summitt
    Richard Summitt Member Posts: 3 ✭✭

    My wife nd I know how you feel--we have even attended Logos training seminar with Morris Proctor--still it takes much valuable time when in Wordsearch we could accomplish what we needed in so much less time--seems as though Logos has complicated matters much like when Jesus came to earth, seeing how the simple messages of God were complicated by the teachers of that day. 

  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks MVP Posts: 7,459

    Word Search had a Strong's numbering system built into the KJV where all I had to do is just hover over the number and "BAM" there it is.

    You have an option, a one-click or a two-click solution.

    For a one-click solution keep the information panel open with the 'Definition' settings including what you want to look up.

    You can reduce this to a one-click solution by setting your system to 'Update on Hover'. Mine is set to 'Update on Click".

    The two-click solution requires less screen space. Two-finger click on the trackpad (right-click if using a mouse) and providing Strongs is pre-selected in the left column you can just click on the source you want the definition from.

    (ok it might actually be a three-click solution)

    tootle pip

    Mike

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  • Word Search had a Strong's numbering system built into the KJV where all I had to do is just hover over the number and "BAM" there it is.

    Suggest opening Tools => Information followed by clicking three dots to choose Update on Hover

    Hovering over a Bible word in a Reverse Interlinear enabled Bible: e.g. King James Version (1900) that is freely included in Logos 8 Basic causes Information Tool to refresh section contents for "BAM" there it is. Note: Logos & Verbum information lookup uses original language lemma, which is useful in non-Bible resources: e.g. Apostolic Fathers that includes Didache (Teaching of the Twelve Apostles).

    Strong's numbering does not group related original language words (nouns, verbs, ...), but Logos & Verbum have root grouping that can be searched to find related words: e.g. Greek Strong's 27 is ἀγαπητός (adjective: beloved), Greek Strong's 25 is ἀγαπάω (verb: to love), Greek Strong's 26 is ἀγάπη (noun: love). Searching for root <Root = lbs/el/αγαπαω> finds these three related love lemma's in Matthew:

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Roy
    Roy Member Posts: 965 ✭✭

    I mean, Word Search had a Strong's numbering system built into the KJV where all I had to do is just hover over the number and "BAM" there it is. Maybe some one on one help could benefit me but once again, how much time will it take

    This is not too hard to set up in Logos once you know how. You need 2 things and a little setup.

    1) Any Bible that has a reverse Interlinear feature.
    2) A Lexicon that is indexed on Strong's Numbers. such as https://www.logos.com/product/10514/the-new-strongs-concise-dictionary-of-the-words-in-the-greek-testament-and-the-hebrew-bible 

    1st you will want to set up your Reverse Interlinear to "Look Like" a WordSearch Bible with the Strongs Numbers turned on.

    This is what you would have seen in WordSearch. See the # button? You know this turns the Strongs Numbers on and off.

    Next open your Logos Bible with a Reverse Interlinear feature. You will know that the Bible has this when you see this button at the top of the Bible.

    There is a drop down arrow just to the right of the button click it to configure how the reverse interlinear will display.
    (once you configure the display, this is how it will always show up until you change it. You turn the feature/display on aand off by clicking the button-not the arrow, just like you click on the # button in W.S.)

    To set this up...

    1) Choose the drop down

    2) Check the Inline Reverse Interlinear box.
        Check The Surface Box.
    3) Check the Strong's Numbers box.

    Click outside of the menu to close it.

    To activate Bible with Strongs numbers now click the 4) Reverse interlinear Button (again the button not the drop-down arrow).

    Your Bible will appear similar to this (very similar to what you had in W.S.)

    When you 5) hover over the Strongs Number, you will get a pop-up.

    The neat thing about this is you do not have to use the Strongs Lexicon. You can use ANY lexicon that is indexed on Strongs numbers.

    One last item is that you will want to have prioritized your Lexicon of choice so Logos will use it for the pop-up display.

    One last un-cluttered image to see the resource set up this way. (See the WordSearch version in the first image for this post above.)

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,114

    How do we know when new titles are added? Do I just once a month go to the store and search? 

    They will download into your library automatically.

    You can also keep an eye on https://www.logos.com/wordsearch/library-migration 

  • Roy
    Roy Member Posts: 965 ✭✭

    I mean, Word Search had a Strong's numbering system built into the KJV where all I had to do is just hover over the number and "BAM" there it is.

    To revisit this topic for just a sec. per my post above, LOGOS actually has a good tutorial page on using Strong's numbers here...

    https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028307111-Using-Strong-s-Numbers 

    you might want to check it out.

  • Stephen David Parkin
    Stephen David Parkin Member Posts: 10 ✭✭

    Hi

    Wouldn't it be more useful to have a  list of Wordsearch books "not started" separately.  That is more of interest to me as" in progress" I know they will be available soon. Otherwise you have to trawl through the list of all the books to find them. Then we could monitor those not started. But I don't know how hard that would be to produce?

    Anyone agree?

    Thanks

    Steve

  • Drew
    Drew Member Posts: 20 ✭✭

    Steve,

    If you go to the page Bradley linked to above and click on Status twice, the list will be re-sorted so Not Started items are at the top.

  • Martin Kuiper
    Martin Kuiper Member Posts: 12 ✭✭

    Thompson Chain Reference Bible please. Would be a nice Christmas gift [;)]

  • Richard Nations
    Richard Nations Member Posts: 2 ✭✭

    Any of the Holman or B and H products that I owned in Wordsearch. I see that you are now promoting B and H and  Holman products in Logos.  I will be glad to get these resources updated for Logos.  Thanks.

  • Danny Jenkins
    Danny Jenkins Member Posts: 44 ✭✭

    I would like to see Christ Centered, please. Use this Commentary all the time.

    Thanks

    Danny Jenkins 

  • Isaac Osei
    Isaac Osei Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Thompson Chain Reference definitely and for sure. I am not sure if it is already migrated. I cannot find this book I purchase in the Logos library. May you confirm or point me to the right way of searching for it. 

  • Danny Jenkins
    Danny Jenkins Member Posts: 44 ✭✭

    I have a Resource that isn't listed on "My research Library in Logos." I am waiting for "Christ-Centered Exposition Commentary" by Tony Merida and edited by David Platt, Daniel L. Akin, and Tony Merida. Can someone tell me if this set of book is going to be transfer over from WS to Logos?

    Thanks, Danny: [:D]

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,114

    I have a Resource that isn't listed on "My research Library in Logos." I am waiting for "Christ-Centered Exposition Commentary" by Tony Merida and edited by David Platt, Daniel L. Akin, and Tony Merida. Can someone tell me if this set of book is going to be transfer over from WS to Logos?

    These should all be available to you (as Faithlife Ebooks, not Research editions). They don't have the full tagging yet, so they will show up under their individual titles, i.e., Exalting Jesus in (Book), rather than under Christ-Centered Commentary.

  • Jerry Howard Atkins
    Jerry Howard Atkins Member Posts: 2 ✭✭

    Thanks for the Pleasure. Rod Mattoon's books. Pastor Jerry Atkins

  • carl forestiforesti
    carl forestiforesti Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Would love to see the "What the Bible Teaches" Commentary Series migrated sooner rather than later.

  • Nicholas Nelson
    Nicholas Nelson Member Posts: 13 ✭✭

    I would like to see the Webster's 1913 Unabridged English Dictionary brought over. My main reason is when I use older English translations, it is beneficial to use dictionary from the same time period as the Translation. There is also an 1828 version of the Webster's Dictionary. They both are worth while. I have them both in E-Sword but only the 1913 in Wordsearch.

  • John R. St John
    John R. St John Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    The Complete Biblical Library Interlinear Bible is essential as a co-tool with the Complete Biblical Library Greek to English and Hebrew to English Dictionary.....I  use it weekly and would appreciate it appearing ASAP...Thanks,

    John St. John

  • Ira Mozee
    Ira Mozee Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Ron Mattoon Series 

  • Michael Kinch
    Michael Kinch Member Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭

    I have quite a number of books to be migrated from Wordsearch to Logos.  Do you have any idea when they will all come over?  Thanks

  • Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife)
    Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 991

    I have quite a number of books to be migrated from Wordsearch to Logos.  Do you have any idea when they will all come over?  Thanks

    Hi Michael,

    We are still working hard to get them delivered. As you may imagine, it's quite a complicated process (much more so than we expected!).

    The good news is that about 90% of the books we didn't previously have in Logos are now available in some form (whether ebook, Reader Edition, or Research Edition). Of the remaining books, we are continuing to prioritize the books that are most requested in this forum post. 

    We're working to get an updated timeline put together so that you can have a better sense of what is coming and when you can expect to see them.

    Thanks!

    Senior Director, Content Products


  • Michael Kinch
    Michael Kinch Member Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭

    Hi Michael,

    We are still working hard to get them delivered. As you may imagine, it's quite a complicated process (much more so than we expected!).

    The good news is that about 90% of the books we didn't previously have in Logos are now available in some form (whether ebook, Reader Edition, or Research Edition). Of the remaining books, we are continuing to prioritize the books that are most requested in this forum post. 

    We're working to get an updated timeline put together so that you can have a better sense of what is coming and when you can expect to see them.

    Thanks!

    Thanks Ben.  Yes I am sure it was a huge undertaking.  Thank you for the update.

  • Nicholas Nelson
    Nicholas Nelson Member Posts: 13 ✭✭

    Logos has added the Wordsearch "Strong's Talking Hebrew Greek Dictionary" to my Logos library. But you know what is funny? It does not talk, which obviously was one of it's unique features.

    You did not leave Strong's program but just clicked on a little sound icon next to the Greek or Hebrew word and it would pronounce it for you. Also the "Strong's Talking Dictionary was hot linked directly to Vines Greek / Hebrew words and the "Theological Dictionary of New and Old Testament words. This feature would leave Strong's open and open a new tab Window in the other two dictionaries. Any chance we will get the sound files back in the Strong's Talking Dictionary? And maybe some of the other functions?

    I know it is a great undertaking but the commentary, interlinear, original language dictionaries all found in one set called the "Complete Biblical Library" was with out a peer when it came to its interlinear and dictionaries, which are not based on Strong's numbering system. The dictionaries not only gave an historical usage of the words being defined but also a complete Englishmen's search for every word. Plus it gave the different forms of the Hebrew or Greek word being defined. All in one click of the mouse and there it was right in front of you. This is my number one choice for expediting the transition to Logos.

  • skypeace
    skypeace Member Posts: 251 ✭✭

    Indeed this resource was fantastic in WordSearch, but I have not really thought it would ever be transitioned to Logos as it is too complicated a process.  The two programs have different magnitudes of operation as WordSearch was more the blue collar get it done kind of ministry program whereas Logos has always seemed to be the more academic reflective sort of program.  

    One is great for the lecture hall church, the other for the upper room Bible study. I will be surprised if we get the Talking to work in this decade. Shalom 

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,248

    You did not leave Strong's program but just clicked on a little sound icon next to the Greek or Hebrew word and it would pronounce it for you. Also the "Strong's Talking Dictionary was hot linked directly to Vines Greek / Hebrew words and the "Theological Dictionary of New and Old Testament words. This feature would leave Strong's open and open a new tab Window in the other two dictionaries. Any chance we will get the sound files back in the Strong's Talking Dictionary? And maybe some of the other functions?

    https://community.logos.com/forums/t/196897.aspx has a bit of context on this

  • Bob Tillotson
    Bob Tillotson Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    I was wondering how soon Rod Mattoon's commentaries, Treasures from ... would be completed.  I have been using my wordsearch program for our study in Luke but would like to be using the Logos program.  Thanks.  Bob

  • Michael Kinch
    Michael Kinch Member Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭

    Good question Bob. I have been looking for it as well.

  • Daniel Hughes
    Daniel Hughes Member Posts: 11 ✭✭

    I own ADULT QUESTIONS FOR LESSONMAKER and this is vital for my small group prep. It shows up as a title in LOGOS but is not functional at all. This gives questions for small groups from Gen to Rev.

    thanks

  • AJ Kerezy
    AJ Kerezy Member Posts: 7 ✭✭

    Hi,

      I would request the Dake Bible commentary, and this means it's functionally indexed to the Bible. By the way I'm not the ONLY person who's requested it. I can see, and I suspect most of the requests are just forum posts to try to pacify Wordsearch users. There's no REAL metrics being captured here.

    I feel it would be more honest if you wouldn't call a commentary "available" unless it's indexed and functioning with an index, such that changing the book, chapter, verse of an open Bible changes the commentary right along with it. 

    Having a commentary that's supposed to change or move as you move from book/chapter/verse in the Bible - but doesn't move or change-  is like a car without an engine.  It's pretty much worthless. Nobody's going to search a Bible commentary that's just like a pdf. That's ARCHAIC to search a pdf for a chapter and verse, that's the whole reason I bought software, so it can do the work.

    We're like six months out (was it 09/2020) from the supposed conversion, and I suspect half the commentaries aren't even indexed (I could be wrong, but I wonder how many of the books/commentaries that were indexed in Wordsearch are still not TRULY FUNCTIONAL in Logos?). 

    It would be better not to even have the commentary's in the software if they're not indexed. An eBook is nothing more than like a pdf and it's just out and out deceptive to call them "AVAILABLE" when they're next to worthless. It's like a gas powered car without an engine, or a house without a roof. I bet if your house or apartment didn't have a roof, you'd be complaining up and down, and move out.

    Please don't school me - a free text search of a pdf is like - why even have software at all?

    I use Bible software so that my commentary moves right along with the Bible as I move around the Word between different Books, Chapters and Verses. This IS NOT advanced functionality. This is just basic, expected functionality that should just come with the software. Providing an un-indexed pdf is totally disgraceful. Providing an eBook or pdf that doesn't AUTOMATICALLY change along with the open Bible is totally WORTHLESS.        Who's idea was that?  Somebody who doesn't have to use the software day in and day out.

    Then you try to SHAME your users for expecting fundamental functionality that either you won't provide, or you've prioritized lower than silly things that aren't germane. Get all of the commentaries indexed, and working - or be HONEST to the Wordsearch users, and just tell them, they're better off WAITING and using what really functionally already works (and has been working for years) in their software.   QUIT shaming your users for wanting simple basic functionality we had in Wordsearch, that you can't seem to provide - but deceptively call "AVAILABLE" on your website.

    Do you even publicly display your software backlog?  Do you use an agile methodology? Are your users voting on your work priorities, or is some "marketing genius" calling the shots on what work gets done?   Why put an engine in the car, or a roof on the house when we can have fancy colors and icons on the outside?   It's EXTRA SAD - because your website marketing LIES as it says, and I quote "Do the Work of the Ministry without the Busywork" ---  but wait, the basic Bible commentaries aren't even indexed with the Bible such that changing to a different book, chapter or verse changes the commentary. I DO have to do the busywork myself - because ???? why???

    I expect this kind of deception from my cable company, a used car dealer, a health care company and politicians - but it's coming from a Bible software company who claims some Bible commentary is "AVAILABLE", but it's not much more than a pdf.  Disgraceful.

    Frustrated by the Cover Up Here

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,949

    Continue to use Wordsearch - we'll get someone to contact you when all the resources are converted. None of us are aware of the details that lead to some resources taking longer than others. None of us know the quality of the source documents FL received. The only real recourse is patience, use the previous product (Wordsearch), and/or speculate and express frustration.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MWW
    MWW Member Posts: 429 ✭✭

    AJ Kerezy said:

    I can see, and I suspect most of the requests are just forum posts to try to pacify Wordsearch users.

    I was a WORDsearch user and I have to say the Logos in my estimation is 100 times better. I also find Faithlife more upfront and honest than WS. If you were a user of Mac computers, WS strung us along promising functional software that would operate on the Catalina OS, that went on month after month after month and finally they just gave up. Also, truthfully WS’ UI was stuck in the 1990s, and though WS resources could be cheaper it didn’t have one 10th of the capability of Logos... particularly if you compared their mobile device software in which WS wouldn’t even qualify as being basic software.

    These forums are made of people trying to help people master Faithlife products, and there are some volunteers that dedicate incredible amounts of time and effort to assist people to be better students and teachers of the Word using Faithlife software. Your tone is not helpful or consistent with the nature and the purpose of these forums. Truthfully, you come across as angry, rude and disagreeable.  Perhaps you are really mad at WS and you are channeling that toward Faithlife or perhaps you have other issues at work in your life that have you on edge. But I would appreciate, as I am sure many others would, if you keep your discourse civil and your tone courteous.

  • Dennis Polston
    Dennis Polston Member Posts: 2 ✭✭

    I have been a DAKE user for many, many years. I bought the Annotated Reference Bible about 35 years ago and it moved with me when I bought Word Search. Like you, I miss it so much that, when I open Logos, I always open Word Search on my desktop so I can move the Bible portion together and view the Dake's Notes.

    The Dake's Notes are awesome because Dake put together scriptures like no other. You can, for example, find in the notes a list of Seven Things God Has Done in reference to Eph 2:4.

    Logos has some strong features, and part of my "preference" for WS is probably due to familiarity. The Strong's Greek and Hebrew Talking Dictionary is easy to use and with a click you can hear how the word is pronounced. Double clicking on a word in KJV brings up this feature. I also have, That's Easy to Say and several others. Bible Notes are easier to add with just a click and Note Stacks is invaluable.

    I am trying to convert fully to Logos but I will never be able to complete the switch until the Dake Bible, or, at least, the complete Notes are included with full functionality.

    D. R. Polston

  • MJ Staples
    MJ Staples Member Posts: 1 ✭✭

    Please work on the Thompson Chain Reference Bible

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,114

    AJ Kerezy said:

    I feel it would be more honest if you wouldn't call a commentary "available" unless it's indexed and functioning with an index, such that changing the book, chapter, verse of an open Bible changes the commentary right along with it. ... An eBook is nothing more than like a pdf and it's just out and out deceptive to call them "AVAILABLE" when they're next to worthless.

    The Catalog page shows Status and Edition; they are intended to be read together.

    The Dake Annotated Reference Bible, for example, is "Available" as an "Ebook".

    AJ Kerezy said:

    It would be better not to even have the commentary's in the software if they're not indexed.

    We thought this would be helpful for all migrating customers, but we've since learnt that some customers like having an interim ebook version available, and some very much do not. Given that we already published the Ebook version, we don't plan on taking it away, but will leave it available until the Logos Edition is ready.

    It sounds like you understand how an "Ebook" functions (or doesn't function, rather) in Logos. If you don't like that, I suggest periodically checking your personal migration page at https://www.logos.com/wordsearch/library-migration and not switching to Logos until the word "Ebook" no longer appears there.

    We should also be emailing batches of customers when the conversion is finished and their library is complete, so you could also wait until that email is sent out and the resources are in their final state before trying Logos again. (Note that some resources will remain as Ebooks--we're not promising to convert everything--but the important commentaries and other reference works will get upgraded to Logos editions.)

  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭

    The Dake Annotated Reference Bible, for example, is "Available" as an "Ebook".

    The verses are only taken as pictures. The samething with many other imported WS resources. I am vrey curios to see the Fire Bible in Logos edition, if this is not going be to happen , then please tell me to give up hopping on nothing. 

    Blessings in Christ.

  • Rev Paul Papas
    Rev Paul Papas Member Posts: 8 ✭✭

    Will the Wordsearch software remain functioning as it is already set up and functions in a way and manner most agreeable to my needs?

    If WS remains functioning then we would not have a concerns about pdf ebooks. 

    I don't think you should list something as available if it is an ebook.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,114

    Will the Wordsearch software remain functioning as it is already set up and functions in a way and manner most agreeable to my needs?

    Yes... but it will not be updated for changes that might be required in Windows. (If you were a macOS user, you probably know that WS stopped working on macOS Catalina long before the Logos acquisition. It's not unlikely that the same could eventually happen on Windows.)

    The Wordsearch servers are currently still online, but they will be decommissioned in the future. At that point, Wordsearch will no longer be able to be downloaded and installed from scratch. You will need to have a complete backup that you can restore on to a new computer. (For long-term viability, it would be wise to set up a full VM environment containing Wordsearch, and back up the full VM.)

    Rev Paul Papas said:I don't think you should list something as available if it is an ebook.

    It's available as an Ebook. Depending on the resource, it may be available later as a Logos edition.