Which new Wordsearch resources would you like to see first?

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Brad Bryant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 20 2020 8:42 AM

Agree!

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Ira Mozee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 20 2020 3:34 PM

Ron Mattoon Series 

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 28 2020 4:47 PM

I have quite a number of books to be migrated from Wordsearch to Logos.  Do you have any idea when they will all come over?  Thanks

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 4 2021 11:49 AM

Michael Kinch:

I have quite a number of books to be migrated from Wordsearch to Logos.  Do you have any idea when they will all come over?  Thanks

Hi Michael,

We are still working hard to get them delivered. As you may imagine, it's quite a complicated process (much more so than we expected!).

The good news is that about 90% of the books we didn't previously have in Logos are now available in some form (whether ebook, Reader Edition, or Research Edition). Of the remaining books, we are continuing to prioritize the books that are most requested in this forum post. 

We're working to get an updated timeline put together so that you can have a better sense of what is coming and when you can expect to see them.

Thanks!

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 4 2021 1:53 PM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):

Hi Michael,

We are still working hard to get them delivered. As you may imagine, it's quite a complicated process (much more so than we expected!).

The good news is that about 90% of the books we didn't previously have in Logos are now available in some form (whether ebook, Reader Edition, or Research Edition). Of the remaining books, we are continuing to prioritize the books that are most requested in this forum post. 

We're working to get an updated timeline put together so that you can have a better sense of what is coming and when you can expect to see them.

Thanks!

Thanks Ben.  Yes I am sure it was a huge undertaking.  Thank you for the update.

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 7:48 PM

Logos has added the Wordsearch "Strong's Talking Hebrew Greek Dictionary" to my Logos library. But you know what is funny? It does not talk, which obviously was one of it's unique features.

You did not leave Strong's program but just clicked on a little sound icon next to the Greek or Hebrew word and it would pronounce it for you. Also the "Strong's Talking Dictionary was hot linked directly to Vines Greek / Hebrew words and the "Theological Dictionary of New and Old Testament words. This feature would leave Strong's open and open a new tab Window in the other two dictionaries. Any chance we will get the sound files back in the Strong's Talking Dictionary? And maybe some of the other functions?

I know it is a great undertaking but the commentary, interlinear, original language dictionaries all found in one set called the "Complete Biblical Library" was with out a peer when it came to its interlinear and dictionaries, which are not based on Strong's numbering system. The dictionaries not only gave an historical usage of the words being defined but also a complete Englishmen's search for every word. Plus it gave the different forms of the Hebrew or Greek word being defined. All in one click of the mouse and there it was right in front of you. This is my number one choice for expediting the transition to Logos.

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skypeace | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 10:36 PM

Indeed this resource was fantastic in WordSearch, but I have not really thought it would ever be transitioned to Logos as it is too complicated a process.  The two programs have different magnitudes of operation as WordSearch was more the blue collar get it done kind of ministry program whereas Logos has always seemed to be the more academic reflective sort of program.  

One is great for the lecture hall church, the other for the upper room Bible study. I will be surprised if we get the Talking to work in this decade. Shalom 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 10:41 PM

Nicholas Nelson:
You did not leave Strong's program but just clicked on a little sound icon next to the Greek or Hebrew word and it would pronounce it for you. Also the "Strong's Talking Dictionary was hot linked directly to Vines Greek / Hebrew words and the "Theological Dictionary of New and Old Testament words. This feature would leave Strong's open and open a new tab Window in the other two dictionaries. Any chance we will get the sound files back in the Strong's Talking Dictionary? And maybe some of the other functions?

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/196897.aspx has a bit of context on this

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Bob Tillotson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 1 2021 7:33 AM

I was wondering how soon Rod Mattoon's commentaries, Treasures from ... would be completed.  I have been using my wordsearch program for our study in Luke but would like to be using the Logos program.  Thanks.  Bob

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 1 2021 7:36 AM

Good question Bob. I have been looking for it as well.

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Daniel Hughes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 6 2021 4:20 PM

I own ADULT QUESTIONS FOR LESSONMAKER and this is vital for my small group prep. It shows up as a title in LOGOS but is not functional at all. This gives questions for small groups from Gen to Rev.

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AJ Kerezy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 7:35 PM

Hi,

  I would request the Dake Bible commentary, and this means it's functionally indexed to the Bible. By the way I'm not the ONLY person who's requested it. I can see, and I suspect most of the requests are just forum posts to try to pacify Wordsearch users. There's no REAL metrics being captured here.

I feel it would be more honest if you wouldn't call a commentary "available" unless it's indexed and functioning with an index, such that changing the book, chapter, verse of an open Bible changes the commentary right along with it. 

Having a commentary that's supposed to change or move as you move from book/chapter/verse in the Bible - but doesn't move or change-  is like a car without an engine.  It's pretty much worthless. Nobody's going to search a Bible commentary that's just like a pdf. That's ARCHAIC to search a pdf for a chapter and verse, that's the whole reason I bought software, so it can do the work.

We're like six months out (was it 09/2020) from the supposed conversion, and I suspect half the commentaries aren't even indexed (I could be wrong, but I wonder how many of the books/commentaries that were indexed in Wordsearch are still not TRULY FUNCTIONAL in Logos?). 

It would be better not to even have the commentary's in the software if they're not indexed. An eBook is nothing more than like a pdf and it's just out and out deceptive to call them "AVAILABLE" when they're next to worthless. It's like a gas powered car without an engine, or a house without a roof. I bet if your house or apartment didn't have a roof, you'd be complaining up and down, and move out.

Please don't school me - a free text search of a pdf is like - why even have software at all?

I use Bible software so that my commentary moves right along with the Bible as I move around the Word between different Books, Chapters and Verses. This IS NOT advanced functionality. This is just basic, expected functionality that should just come with the software. Providing an un-indexed pdf is totally disgraceful. Providing an eBook or pdf that doesn't AUTOMATICALLY change along with the open Bible is totally WORTHLESS.        Who's idea was that?  Somebody who doesn't have to use the software day in and day out.

Then you try to SHAME your users for expecting fundamental functionality that either you won't provide, or you've prioritized lower than silly things that aren't germane. Get all of the commentaries indexed, and working - or be HONEST to the Wordsearch users, and just tell them, they're better off WAITING and using what really functionally already works (and has been working for years) in their software.   QUIT shaming your users for wanting simple basic functionality we had in Wordsearch, that you can't seem to provide - but deceptively call "AVAILABLE" on your website.

Do you even publicly display your software backlog?  Do you use an agile methodology? Are your users voting on your work priorities, or is some "marketing genius" calling the shots on what work gets done?   Why put an engine in the car, or a roof on the house when we can have fancy colors and icons on the outside?   It's EXTRA SAD - because your website marketing LIES as it says, and I quote "Do the Work of the Ministry without the Busywork" ---  but wait, the basic Bible commentaries aren't even indexed with the Bible such that changing to a different book, chapter or verse changes the commentary. I DO have to do the busywork myself - because ???? why???

I expect this kind of deception from my cable company, a used car dealer, a health care company and politicians - but it's coming from a Bible software company who claims some Bible commentary is "AVAILABLE", but it's not much more than a pdf.  Disgraceful.

Frustrated by the Cover Up Here

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 7:54 PM

Continue to use Wordsearch - we'll get someone to contact you when all the resources are converted. None of us are aware of the details that lead to some resources taking longer than others. None of us know the quality of the source documents FL received. The only real recourse is patience, use the previous product (Wordsearch), and/or speculate and express frustration.

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MWW | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 18 2021 8:18 PM

AJ Kerezy:
I can see, and I suspect most of the requests are just forum posts to try to pacify Wordsearch users.

I was a WORDsearch user and I have to say the Logos in my estimation is 100 times better. I also find Faithlife more upfront and honest than WS. If you were a user of Mac computers, WS strung us along promising functional software that would operate on the Catalina OS, that went on month after month after month and finally they just gave up. Also, truthfully WS’ UI was stuck in the 1990s, and though WS resources could be cheaper it didn’t have one 10th of the capability of Logos... particularly if you compared their mobile device software in which WS wouldn’t even qualify as being basic software.

These forums are made of people trying to help people master Faithlife products, and there are some volunteers that dedicate incredible amounts of time and effort to assist people to be better students and teachers of the Word using Faithlife software. Your tone is not helpful or consistent with the nature and the purpose of these forums. Truthfully, you come across as angry, rude and disagreeable.  Perhaps you are really mad at WS and you are channeling that toward Faithlife or perhaps you have other issues at work in your life that have you on edge. But I would appreciate, as I am sure many others would, if you keep your discourse civil and your tone courteous.

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Dennis Polston | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 4:27 AM

I have been a DAKE user for many, many years. I bought the Annotated Reference Bible about 35 years ago and it moved with me when I bought Word Search. Like you, I miss it so much that, when I open Logos, I always open Word Search on my desktop so I can move the Bible portion together and view the Dake's Notes.

The Dake's Notes are awesome because Dake put together scriptures like no other. You can, for example, find in the notes a list of Seven Things God Has Done in reference to Eph 2:4.

Logos has some strong features, and part of my "preference" for WS is probably due to familiarity. The Strong's Greek and Hebrew Talking Dictionary is easy to use and with a click you can hear how the word is pronounced. Double clicking on a word in KJV brings up this feature. I also have, That's Easy to Say and several others. Bible Notes are easier to add with just a click and Note Stacks is invaluable.

I am trying to convert fully to Logos but I will never be able to complete the switch until the Dake Bible, or, at least, the complete Notes are included with full functionality.

D. R. Polston

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MJ Staples | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 5:47 AM

Please work on the Thompson Chain Reference Bible

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AJ Kerezy:
I feel it would be more honest if you wouldn't call a commentary "available" unless it's indexed and functioning with an index, such that changing the book, chapter, verse of an open Bible changes the commentary right along with it. ... An eBook is nothing more than like a pdf and it's just out and out deceptive to call them "AVAILABLE" when they're next to worthless.

The Catalog page shows Status and Edition; they are intended to be read together.

The Dake Annotated Reference Bible, for example, is "Available" as an "Ebook".

AJ Kerezy:
It would be better not to even have the commentary's in the software if they're not indexed.

We thought this would be helpful for all migrating customers, but we've since learnt that some customers like having an interim ebook version available, and some very much do not. Given that we already published the Ebook version, we don't plan on taking it away, but will leave it available until the Logos Edition is ready.

It sounds like you understand how an "Ebook" functions (or doesn't function, rather) in Logos. If you don't like that, I suggest periodically checking your personal migration page at https://www.logos.com/wordsearch/library-migration and not switching to Logos until the word "Ebook" no longer appears there.

We should also be emailing batches of customers when the conversion is finished and their library is complete, so you could also wait until that email is sent out and the resources are in their final state before trying Logos again. (Note that some resources will remain as Ebooks--we're not promising to convert everything--but the important commentaries and other reference works will get upgraded to Logos editions.)

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 9:59 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
The Dake Annotated Reference Bible, for example, is "Available" as an "Ebook".

The verses are only taken as pictures. The samething with many other imported WS resources. I am vrey curios to see the Fire Bible in Logos edition, if this is not going be to happen , then please tell me to give up hopping on nothing. 

Blessings in Christ.

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Rev Paul Papas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 10:14 PM

Will the Wordsearch software remain functioning as it is already set up and functions in a way and manner most agreeable to my needs?

If WS remains functioning then we would not have a concerns about pdf ebooks. 

I don't think you should list something as available if it is an ebook.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 19 2021 10:40 PM

Rev Paul Papas:

Will the Wordsearch software remain functioning as it is already set up and functions in a way and manner most agreeable to my needs?

Yes... but it will not be updated for changes that might be required in Windows. (If you were a macOS user, you probably know that WS stopped working on macOS Catalina long before the Logos acquisition. It's not unlikely that the same could eventually happen on Windows.)

The Wordsearch servers are currently still online, but they will be decommissioned in the future. At that point, Wordsearch will no longer be able to be downloaded and installed from scratch. You will need to have a complete backup that you can restore on to a new computer. (For long-term viability, it would be wise to set up a full VM environment containing Wordsearch, and back up the full VM.)

Rev Paul Papas:
I don't think you should list something as available if it is an ebook.

It's available as an Ebook. Depending on the resource, it may be available later as a Logos edition.

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