Why is creating collections (not) redundant?

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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 16 2021 4:45 PM

If you've carefully tagged all your resources, would that make creating collections redundant? 

I can see the benefit of creating collections for parallel resource sets, but apart from that, I think almost everywhere you can use 'mytag:...' to instantly create a collection. 

Am I overlooking something? Can someone share a purpose of Collections (apart from the said parallel resource sets) that cannot be taken care of with proper tagging? 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 16 2021 5:02 PM

Michel Pauw:
Am I overlooking something? Can someone share a purpose of Collections (apart from the said parallel resource sets) that cannot be taken care of with proper tagging? 

I've replaced most of my collections with tags. As you noted where I want parallel resources is the exception.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 17 2021 1:43 PM

I create collections for reference as well as for Searching, especially where the Rule is complex e.g. mytag:(6Month, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec)  license:temp is used to reference my Connect preview resources. If multiple months are present, then the older ones were not removed automatically.

I use a collection for AddedDate:<greater dec 1, 2019>   license:temp to find when resources were added (altering the date and the license value as needed).

As long as I find them useful, I'll keep collections with simple rules,whether mytag or type, etc.

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Gordon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 17 2021 5:03 PM

Collections are also dynamic (as opposed to tagging) resources. When I create an author collection such as: Author:"Carson, D.A.", any subsequent resources by this author automatically go to this collection. I also find using collections easier to use in accessing my commentaries because of the PRS feature. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 17 2021 11:14 PM

I create a range of Commentary sections in a Custom Passage Guide and populate those with different Collections.

Similarly you can add Collections to different sections in the Cited By Tool

These are not possible just by using tagging.

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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 12:16 AM

Graham Criddle:

I create a range of Commentary sections in a Custom Passage Guide and populate those with different Collections.

Similarly you can add Collections to different sections in the Cited By Tool

These are not possible just by using tagging.

It looks like you can now do that using 'mytag:' 

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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 12:18 AM

Gordon:

Collections are also dynamic (as opposed to tagging) resources. When I create an author collection such as: Author:"Carson, D.A.", any subsequent resources by this author automatically go to this collection. I also find using collections easier to use in accessing my commentaries because of the PRS feature. 

That's a thing! Tagging would only be equivalent if you carefully tag all your resource right after buying them. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 1:03 AM

Michel Pauw:
It looks like you can now do that using 'mytag:'

So you can!

Sorry, I had forgotten that. Thanks for pointing it out.

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Pater Noster | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 3:39 AM

I only have the stock Collections that come from Verbum; I am in the tagging camp now. Over the last few years I started tagging a lot, just about 90% of my library is tagged now. I started building a lot of Collections early on, then went through the phase where Logos/Verbum performance got terrible because of the dynamic processing of Collections. I deleted all my Collections and performance improved considerably. Does anyone know if Collections are still a big performance hit? It would be interesting to try a test, I suspect they still take a lot of CPU depending on the Collections (number and type) people have. I am surprised that's not mentioned more when people post of performance issues on startup, etc.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 4:27 AM

Pater Noster:
Does anyone know if Collections are still a big performance hit?

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/168635.aspx describes some changes that were designed to make large collections work better.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 7:12 AM

Collections make sense for me, because tagging thousands of resources is more than I want to take on. I'm not sure I'd have the stamina to finish the job, and I'm comfortably certain that I'd make mistakes along the way (and probably change my mind about how to do it once or twice during the process). I do think it would be helpful if FaithLife could look at some of the more popular collection rules and think about whether they could add a few tags that could simplify or replace them.

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 7:24 AM

I agree; I used to use collection. Now I use tagging which seems to work better. In many robust programs (Photoshop, for example) there are multiple ways to accomplish the same thing. 

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