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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 9 2021 3:52 AM

I'm preaching through Matthew, and it just occurred to me that it would helpful to have parallel passages marked out in the Gospels (and other places as well). The links could go next to the passage title, with the current passage marked out in some way. Yes, I know that I can just hover over the footnote, but this would (a) make it clearer when there are parallel passages, and (b) make it that much easier to navigate.

Does this feature already exist, and I've been living in a cave? Or should I put it on the feedback page?

* Edit: It could toggle on and off in the Visual Filters menu.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 5:12 AM

Am not "preaching through Matthew" but our group is reading through Matthew and this would be very helpful. 

[[Have commentary open that does some of the cross-references]

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 6:06 AM

This is what I have in the NRSV

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 6:39 AM

Hi Gregory,

The NIV also has the parallel passages listed in the text. There is the parallel passages guide and the parallel gospel reader that can be linked to your bible to follow your study. See each below.

I personally use a custom passage guide that includes the parallel passages section and link the PG to the Bible. Here is my layout.

I hope this helps.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 6:52 AM

It never occurred to me that it might be part of some Bibles and not others. I ran through the English Bibles I have in Logos. The NKJV, NRSV, Good News Translation, and the New International Version (2011 version) have links to the parallel passages. I don't know if the parallels are in the printed versions, since I don't own any of these particular Bibles in print. 

I'd sure like to have this as a feature in all Bibles, Logos!

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 6:54 AM

They definitely are based on print editions with parallel passages named within the text.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 6:55 AM

John Fidel:
The NIV also has the parallel passages listed in the text. There is the parallel passages guide and the parallel gospel reader that can be linked to your bible to follow your study. See each below.

This does help, as does your passage guide example. Thanks!

(I'd still like them in the Bible text, mainly because I only have the Passage Guide open at certain times during my prep)

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 6:56 AM

Damian McGrath:

They definitely are based on print editions with parallel passages named within the text.

Gotcha; that makes sense.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 6:59 AM

In my second screenshot note that I have the GNT 5th set up as a multiple resource and it has the parallel passages. You could use one of the Bibles that have the parallel passages included this way as well.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 1:44 PM

NASB also has significant parallel passages linked, but it is in the marginal notes. They are displayed in italics.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 9 2021 3:36 PM

I agree and have asked for something similar many times. For the NRSV there is a shared PB for them that is very useful.Parallel Pericope Bible - Faithlife Forums (logos.com)

Gregory Lawhorn:
Or should I put it on the feedback page?

Yes, please

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 2:41 AM

MJ. Smith:

I agree and have asked for something similar many times. For the NRSV there is a shared PB for them that is very useful.Parallel Pericope Bible - Faithlife Forums (logos.com)

Gregory Lawhorn:
Or should I put it on the feedback page?

Yes, please

I would be against this "ease of use" in Bibles:

  • they would likely clash with the Publisher's "parallel" passages (where provided)
  • create extra work for FL when building bibles as pericopes will differ
  • hopefully, it is not intended for Bibles with no pericopes?
  • are you really delineating Parallel Passages from Cross References?
    • The NRSV Genesis pericope references are not "Parallel"

I think the OP intended Parallel Passages but what is Parallel to Mt 5:1-12 --> Lk:6:20-26 (NRSV) or Lk 6:17-23 (Passage Guide)?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 3:19 AM

Somewhere, Dave, you and I interpreted this thread very differently. I thought the discussion was specifically on the parallel pericopes provided by the publisher and of use only in the resource in which the publisher provided them. Some of the replies seemed to head in other directions but I'll leave it to Gregory to confirm whether everyone was on topic.

I also suspect we differ in our vocabulary. What would you call the passages listed in the NRSV under the first pericope title in the Bible i.e. (Gen 2:4b—9; Job 38:4–11; Jn 1:1–5). I've always referred to them as parallel pericopes which are distinct from cross-references which are usually at the verse level or lower. What term do you use for thematically related pericopes?

Dave Hooton:
but what is Parallel to Mt 5:1-12 --> Lk:6:20-26 (NRSV) or Lk 6:17-23 (Passage Guide)?

Are you asking about parallels between the sermon on the mount and the sermon on the plain? Or am I completely lost?

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 5:58 AM

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 6:15 AM

Dave Hooton:

I would be against this "ease of use" in Bibles:

  • they would likely clash with the Publisher's "parallel" passages (where provided)
  • create extra work for FL when building bibles as pericopes will differ
  • hopefully, it is not intended for Bibles with no pericopes?
  • are you really delineating Parallel Passages from Cross References?
    • The NRSV Genesis pericope references are not "Parallel"

I think the OP intended Parallel Passages but what is Parallel to Mt 5:1-12 --> Lk:6:20-26 (NRSV) or Lk 6:17-23 (Passage Guide)?

I understand your objections, but most of what Logos does in Bibles goes far beyond what print publishers intended; if not, Logos would do nothing more than find English words and phrases. 

We currently have the option to ignore/redefine the layout of Bibles in Logos, under the "Bible text only" portion of the Visual filters menu. We can turn off the formatting of the original English Bible, eliminate chapter and verse numbers and footnote indicators, get rid of non-Bible text, and show one verse per line in paragraph Bibles. We can even turn "red letter"-ing on or off, as we personally prefer. 

None of these options were envisioned by the print publishers.

What I'm suggesting is that we also have the ability to display links to parallel passages. It would not require re-working the entirety of each English text, since it would primarily apply to the Gospels, and Kings and Chronicles (those are the only parallels in Scripture that I know about; perhaps there are others). 

The more substantial issue is WHICH parallel text to display. Like tagging, some of it would be clear, and some would be a judgment call. That's never stopped Logos in the past. If the user has the ability to turn off the links – which I believe they should – then it's a non-issue. It will either be helpful to someone or not. Someone would either prefer the links at the top of the pericope, or prefer the footnotes, or prefer the Parallel Passages part of the Guide. We really only NEED one way to get to parallel passages, but Logos kindly gives us multiple ways to do so. I'm just suggesting another way that would appeal to me, and perhaps some others.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 6:19 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:

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Thanks for starting this. I just voted too. There are many ways to see parallel passages in Logos and this would be another one that would be simple to do. Ideally you could even make these visual filters that could be turned on and off according to each person's preference.

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 7:47 AM

I’d vote for it but…

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 4:59 PM

MJ. Smith:
I also suspect we differ in our vocabulary. What would you call the passages listed in the NRSV under the first pericope title in the Bible i.e. (Gen 2:4b—9; Job 38:4–11; Jn 1:1–5). I've always referred to them as parallel pericopes which are distinct from cross-references which are usually at the verse level or lower. What term do you use for thematically related pericopes?

I called them Cross References simply because they are not Parallel Passages (the OP's theme). But 'thematically related passages' would better describe them because they are not necessarily parallel to other pericopes e.g. Jn 1:1-5 is not a pericope, although the pericope at Jn 1 refers to the pericope range at Gen 1.  And Job 38:4-11 is not a pericope.

MJ. Smith:

Dave Hooton:
but what is Parallel to Mt 5:1-12 --> Lk:6:20-26 (NRSV) or Lk 6:17-23 (Passage Guide)?

Are you asking about parallels between the sermon on the mount and the sermon on the plain? Or am I completely lost?

That's the problem. It is really the Beatitudes where NRSV has the pericope , but ESV begins that at Mt 5:2, avoiding the "mountain" reference. Lk 6:17-23 includes the "plain" whereas Lk 6:20-26 is the Beatitudes.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 10 2021 6:07 PM

Dave Hooton:
Jn 1:1-5 is not a pericope,

Except when it is:

Err 4

but now I do understand your point

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