Logos 10 Speculation

We are a little more than a year away from Logos 10, if past patterns continue. That would put us at October 2022

This is total speculation, but I wonder if a complete GUI change will come. It has not changed tremendously since Logos 4 and they MIGHT want to do something different for version 10 - a bit of a milestone.

Besides that, what improvements or additions would you like to see?

Let the speculation begin...

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David Wanat

I’m still curious about if this will be accurate: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/195361/1129319.aspx#1129319

Tes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176637#Comment_1176637

As usually does Faithlife will ask Suggestions.

Dave Hooton

but I wonder if a complete GUI change will come. It has not changed tremendously since Logos 4

Logos 8 was a major UI update/refresh in case you missed it[:)]

The Toolbar Store icon in Logos 9 was a bold attempt to alter the UI[:D] - that was enough for me.

Jerry Bush

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176716#Comment_1176716

I did not consider it a major update.

but I wonder if a complete GUI change will come. It has not changed tremendously since Logos 4

Logos 8 was a major UI update/refresh in case you missed it

The Toolbar Store icon in Logos 9 was a bold attempt to alter the UI - that was enough for me.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176739#Comment_1176739

I did not consider it a major update.

but I wonder if a complete GUI change will come. It has not changed tremendously since Logos 4

Logos 8 was a major UI update/refresh in case you missed it

The Toolbar Store icon in Logos 9 was a bold attempt to alter the UI - that was enough for me.

Major for me. I'm not leaving L7 until they stop being so cutsie. And maybe 'finally' do a professional search interface. They're like mice, chewing around the edges.

Ken

We are a little more than a year away from Logos 10, if past patterns continue. That would put us at October 2022

This is total speculation, but I wonder if a complete GUI change will come. It has not changed tremendously since Logos 4 and they MIGHT want to do something different for version 10 - a bit of a milestone.

Besides that, what improvements or additions would you like to see?

Let the speculation begin...

Entirely new native platform for Mac rather than .NET (worse yet, .NET on top of Mono). But I know it isn't happening.

Not that one even has to entirely ditch .NET though. I believe Olive Tree utilizes a bit of it, but it still behaves and looks like a native app for the most part (and a thing of that beauty it is... It's such a pleasure to use, even if sparse in content compared to Logos. It looks no different than Apple Music or Apple Books).

Fabian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176747#Comment_1176747

Entirely new native platform for Mac rather than .NET (worse yet, .NET on top of Mono). But I know it isn't happening.

Not that one even has to entirely ditch .NET though. I believe Olive Tree utilizes a bit of it, but it still behaves and looks like a native app for the most part (and a thing of that beauty it is... It's such a pleasure to use, even if sparse in content compared to Logos. It looks no different than Apple Music or Apple Books).

Thats why I'm happy with Apple to switch to their own silicone, so the developers must overhaul their old codes.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176762#Comment_1176762

I’m still hopeful on this: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186839.aspx

DAL

David Wanat

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176762#Comment_1176762

Thats why I'm happy with Apple to switch to their own silicone, so the developers must overhaul their old codes.

Unless they decide to go the “Windows only” instead 😉

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176824#Comment_1176824

They need to stay with the GUI. Tweaks are fine, but I have a decade of habit patterns invested in this puppy that let me negotiate to things with my mind on God and not on things of digital earth.

MWW

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176825#Comment_1176825

I would like to see in Logos 10 the notes UI cleaned up and made into something akin to the modern note taking apps like Craft, Notion or Roam Research.

John Duffy

Besides that, what improvements or additions would you like to see?

I would like to see a dedicated small status area at the bottom of a section/pane. The problem is that when the cursor happens to be over some Bible text, the details of the word the mouse is hovering over are shown at the bottom of the section/pane, obscuring the Bible text below it. If I am reading the passage, I am constantly having to find some blank area of the screen with no text, and move the mouse over the area where there are no words, simply to be able to read the bottom line of the Bible text. That is a constant irritation. It would be good to use the area at the bottom and dedicate it to the hover information, so that when the page down button is pressed the line of Bible text that would currently be under the hover information would be seen at the top of the next page. That would be a very welcome little change.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176828#Comment_1176828

I would like to see in Logos 10 the notes UI cleaned up

Especially as FL are thinking to amalgamate Clippings and Notes, because my Clippings notes are very different to Notes notes.

Armin

I wonder if a complete GUI change will come

This would be a lot of work.

My hope is that the GUI inconsistencies will be fixed:

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/197602.aspx

Randy Young

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1176742#Comment_1176742

I did not consider it a major update.

but I wonder if a complete GUI change will come. It has not changed tremendously since Logos 4

Logos 8 was a major UI update/refresh in case you missed it

The Toolbar Store icon in Logos 9 was a bold attempt to alter the UI - that was enough for me.

What kind of search interface are you looking for? How would it differ?

Major for me. I'm not leaving L7 until they stop being so cutsie. And maybe 'finally' do a professional search interface. They're like mice, chewing around the edges.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1197066#Comment_1197066

Randy - When you quote someone, you need to type your response after all of the brackets.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1197066#Comment_1197066

Major for me. I'm not leaving L7 until they stop being so cutsie. And maybe 'finally' do a professional search interface. They're like mice, chewing around the edges.

What kind of search interface are you looking for? How would it differ?

It merits stepping back and looking at the product:

- Is it for a 'user', or a 'customer', or a 'pastor'? I would argue FL is still in the 'user' world ... and training a generation of pastors to think technical, vs shepherding-thinking. For Logos, success is good software users.

- Development-wise, Logos isn't much further along from 2008 and Libronix. Spent a lot of time tagging. Some basic tools to pull the tagging. It's an expensive list-maker.

- Most of their user-improvement could have been coded in a couple days, 15 years ago. Search syntax examples, and templates. The Bible Browser is good, but a Bible Lists book might be easier to use.

- The actual search syntax is quite sophisticated ... and a very small customer group that can use it with sufficient frequency. What about the rest?

- The search results routines are really unfortunate. I would place that area at about 1995 (old Excel).

As in my above note, 2008 to 2020, not much, except the tagging. Mice munching at the edges.

Alex Hasegawa

I would like to see fast loading and downloading books like accordance. Logos is really a great Bible Software, but still slow to open and takes hours to download books. They could improve to fast loading and downloading.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1203662#Comment_1203662

I’m still waiting for this: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186839.aspx

While L9 added a few things to the sermon editor, it’s still a raw editor when it comes to real “editor” capabilities. So maybe L10 will bring some of the features others (and myself included) have been requesting for years 👍😁👌

DAL

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1203662#Comment_1203662

I would like to see fast loading and downloading books like accordance. Logos is really a great Bible Software, but still slow to open and takes hours to download books. They could improve to fast loading and downloading.

Welcome to the forum Alex. Are you referring to the initial download when you first setup the software. My resources/books opens in seconds. Can you explain further?

Alex Hasegawa

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1203669#Comment_1203669

Dear Lynden,

my Logos 9 still takes time to loading and when I download a new purchase it always says it will take 4 hours to download it. My internet in 1 GB and my Macbook Pro is the 2019. I‘m Hoping to have both loading and downloading in seconds in the L10. And more and more user friendly.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1203662#Comment_1203662

I would like to see fast loading and downloading books like accordance.

takes hours to download books.

I'm not sure what you mean. When someone initially installs Logos, there is an option to perform a full or partial (skinny) install. A combination of a large library and slow internet could make it time consuming to perform the full download. If you don't want to download all of your resources, it can be fairly quick.

slow to open

Slow to open is a different issue. Your computer can play a part, but so can your settings. Generally the fastest method is to open to a blank layout. Have you tried using that setting?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1203674#Comment_1203674

when I download a new purchase it always says it will take 4 hours to download it.

That is an issue on your side.

My internet in 1 GB

1 GB per second? That is blazing fast. I have only a fraction of that (25 MB per second) and do not experience what you are.

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1203674#Comment_1203674

Greetings Alex

Your situation must be atypical my MacBook only takes moments to down new versions of the software and most resources.

I think you might get some help if you upload your log to a new thread detailing the problems with slowness you are having. Please give the thread a meaningful title.