Not Creating Citations: macOS 12.0.1 Monterey

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Phillip J. Long | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 2 2021 7:46 AM

I switched to SBL1 and the citation is correct, SLB2 seems to be the one that is broken. Thanks...

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 8 2021 9:50 AM

Phillip J. Long:

On November 22, there was an update (9.10 Beta 2) that "Fixed a bug that incorrectly formatted Bible citations when using the SBL 2nd Ed citation style." I am using the latest update Beta 3 (9.10.0.0007) on a MacAir using Monterey. The citations are still broken. I get author and title, pages, but no publisher information. I have tried SBL 2.0, APA7 and MLA8, all with the same result.

For example, pasting from the LBD, the SBL citation is now:

Jason C. Kuo, “Thessalonians, First Letter to the,” The Lexham Bible Dictionary.

It ought to be: 

Jason C. Kuo, “Thessalonians, First Letter to the,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016.

I notice the truncated citation is also in the information section of the Library window (where you can just copy/paste the bibliography info)

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I switched to SBL1 and the citation is correct, SLB2 seems to be the one that is broken. Thanks...



Thanks for the report, Phillip. This was a problem specifically Bible dictionaries, that has been fixed in beta 4.

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Phillip J. Long | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 8 2021 10:08 AM

Thanks Adam, I updated to beta 4 this morning and I have restarted Logos twice. When SBL 2.0 is selected, I still get the truncated citations (no editors as it has in the past). Prior to Beta 2, when LBD pasted in as Ed. John Barry, et al.; the AYBD should have D. N Freedman.

Here is what it looks like with Beta 4:

David P. Melvin, “Apocalypticism, Early Jewish,” The Lexham Bible Dictionary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016).


Jon Paulien, “Nicodemus (Person),” The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary 1105 (New York: Doubleday, 1992).

SBL 1 is working fine still, so it is not really a burning issue for me.

Probably another request: Is there any way the AYBD (or any other multi-volume work) can have the volume number included?

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Abigail Stocker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 8 2021 5:15 PM

Hi Phillip—I’m an editor with Faithlife’s publishing house, Lexham Press. Adam looped me into this conversation about citation styles. SBLHS 2 does allow for a much-abbreviated version of citations in footnotes, especially for dictionaries (see examples in SBLHS 6.3.6–7). However, we agree with you that a more comprehensive version of the citations would be helpful—it’s easier for the user to abbreviate the available information in the footnote than to add it. We’re working on that update now.

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Phillip J. Long | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 9 2021 7:58 AM

Thanks for this comment, I was thinking along the same lines and did check a physical copy of the SBL 2 Style guide. I think that the issue is footnotes vs. full bibliography. Logos is creating a footnote, I want an entry for my bibliography. In SBL 1, that is the same thing (I just rearrange the author's names). In SBL 2, there is a difference. 

I can use the Library info window to copy a reference for the whole dictionary, but normally I want to cite an article from the dictionary using the article author and article name (as my previous examples). In a footnote, the brief form is fine, but in the bibliography/woks cited/reference page it is the full form.

For the LBD, this is easy enough since I have one reference set up correctly, and I just copy/paste it and change the author and article name manually. Since Logos does want I want using the SBL1 format (since beta 4 at least), this is not a major problem.

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 10 2021 10:37 AM

Phillip J. Long:

I think that the issue is footnotes vs. full bibliography. Logos is creating a footnote, I want an entry for my bibliography. In SBL 1, that is the same thing (I just rearrange the author's names). In SBL 2, there is a difference. 

Phillip, thank you for following up with this clarifying comment; it was extremely helpful in understanding your use case. We discussed it further internally, including input from Abigail's expertise, and we've decided to leave SBL 2 footnote citations as they are, for these reasons: 

  1. The current footnote is actually more compliant with SBL 2 styling for footnote citations from dictionaries. This will be the expected behavior for most people using this style. 
  2. To get your desired behavior, your can either
    • keep using SBL 1, or
    • open the resource Information from the resource view (not the Library) to copy the article-specific bibliographic citation.

We'll also update our documentation in the Help file and elsewhere, to make this more transparent. 

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Phillip J. Long | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 10 2021 10:43 AM

Thanks, I have never opened the information tab like that before...that is helpful!

As is often observed, there are many ways to any one thing in Logos, always good to find another way to get at the information I need,

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